acidhead Posted August 10, 2013 #351 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Osama bin Laden's admission was broadcasted everywhere around the world from sources in addition to the Internet and nothing to do with the government. Are you saying that Osama bin Laden is innocent of the 911 attacks? Im sayin its second hand information. I personally dont know for a fact who carried out 911. It would be foolish of me to believe I did know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaphod222 Posted August 10, 2013 #352 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Claims of 911 conspiracy theorist are ignorant-based That much is obvious. Because of their ignorance of the facts, they actually confused Delta 1989, a B-767, as United 93, a B-757, and a team of scientist as passengers of United 93. The scientist disembarked from a KC-135, which by no means look anything like a B-757. Check out the following link. I refuse to step down to the level of discussing details of their lunatic theories, until they address the basics. In the same way that I refuse to get into discussions about biblical quotes with religious nutcases, when I dispute the existance of their god in the first place. So by stepping into that cesspool of troother details, you are already accomodating them. The first question any low-information conspirator (aka troother) would have to answer is why any government, in the middle of a torrent of jihadist terror attacks, would arrange YET ANOTHER jihadist terror attack, an in a byzantinely complicated way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skep B Posted August 10, 2013 #353 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Like Maddox puts succinctly: "Reading 9-11 truthers is like being bukakked with stupid". please tell me theres a T-shirt with this on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted August 10, 2013 #354 Share Posted August 10, 2013 That much is obvious. I refuse to step down to the level of discussing details of their lunatic theories, until they address the basics. In the same way that I refuse to get into discussions about biblical quotes with religious nutcases, when I dispute the existance of their god in the first place. So by stepping into that cesspool of troother details, you are already accomodating them. The first question any low-information conspirator (aka troother) would have to answer is why any government, in the middle of a torrent of jihadist terror attacks, would arrange YET ANOTHER jihadist terror attack, an in a byzantinely complicated way. Their responses expose their mindset and they have proven they are not interested in the facts by any means and a clear example is where they accepted that mini-nuke hoax story despite the warnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaphod222 Posted August 10, 2013 #355 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Their responses expose their mindset and they have proven they are not interested in the facts by any means and a clear example is where they accepted that mini-nuke hoax story despite the warnings. I didn´t even put my tin-foil hat on long enough to realize that the claim in this particular tread is that nuclear bombs were used on 9/11, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted August 10, 2013 #356 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Im sayin its second hand information. I personally dont know for a fact who carried out 911. It would be foolish of me to believe I did know. It is very simple to understand who carried out the 911 attacks. After all, warnings were sent out years before the 911 attacks. It was no secret that Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States and remember, the Philippine government warned the United States in 1995 that Muslim terrorist had plans to attack American with aircraft and one of those targets was CIA headquarters. The Philippines also revealed that Muslim terrorist planned to bomb a number of American airliners out of the sky, but thanks to an apartment fire in the Philippines, the plan was revealed and thwarted. How many thousands of innocent people would have been killed had their plan gone through? How many conspiracy theorist would have claimed the airline bombings was a "false flag" operation of the United States? I might add that one of the terrorist who was involved in the Bojinka Plot, was Ramzi Yousef, the terrorist who bombed WTC1 in 1993 and whose uncle has now admitted his involvement in the 911 attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted August 10, 2013 #357 Share Posted August 10, 2013 It is very simple to understand who carried out the 911 attacks. After all, warnings were sent out years before the 911 attacks. It was no secret that Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States and remember, the Philippine government warned the United States in 1995 that Muslim terrorist had plans to attack American with aircraft and one of those targets was CIA headquarters. The Philippines also revealed that Muslim terrorist planned to bomb a number of American airliners out of the sky, but thanks to an apartment fire in the Philippines, the plan was revealed and thwarted. How many thousands of innocent people would have been killed had their plan gone through? How many conspiracy theorist would have claimed the airline bombings was a "false flag" operation of the United States? I might add that one of the terrorist who was involved in the Bojinka Plot, was Ramzi Yousef, the terrorist who bombed WTC1 in 1993 and whose uncle has now admitted his involvement in the 911 attacks. It all sounds like a conspiracy now.... I dont know what to believe. Thank you for your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted August 10, 2013 #358 Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) It all sounds like a conspiracy now.... I dont know what to believe. Thank you for your opinion. It has been 12 years and yet, not one single piece of evidence has been revealed implicating the United States in the 911 attacks by investigative reporters unlike the Watergate scandal. It is just a matter of doing research and placing the pieces of the puzzle together to form a picture as to whom was responsible for the 911 attacks because there were numerous warnings issued to the United States from around the world that al-Qaeda was in the process of attacking America with airliners. Country after country continued to issue those warnings during the months just prior to the 911 attacks, so the question is: with such warnings flowing in from around the world from numerous countries, why are conspiracy theories claiming the United States carried out the 911 attacks under a false flag operation when the international intelligence community was pointing its fingers at Muslim terrorist? Perhaps, the mindset of the typical 911 conspiracy theorist was anti-government to begin with. Bush Warned of Hijackings before 911: Numerous Warnings from Around the World of Pending Terrorist Attack on America http://abcnews.go.co...id=91651&page=1 http://www.unexplain...7 http://www.dailymail...-Bin-Laden.html http://www.washingto...6093000282.html http://investigation...1-warnings?lite Now, for the admissions for dropping the ball on those international warnings. C.I.A. Lays Out Errors It Made Before Sept. 11 WASHINGTON, Aug. 21 — A report released Tuesday by the Central Intelligence Agency includes new details of the agency’s missteps before the Sept. 11 attacks, outlining what the report says were failures to grasp the role being played by the terror mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and to assess fully the threats streaming into the C.I.A. in the summer of 2001. http://www.worldsecu...admits-mistakes FBI Chief Acknowledges 9/11 Errors FBI Director Robert Mueller, acknowledging serious lapses in how the FBI mishandled some information prior to Sept. 11, suggested for the first time that investigators might have detected the terrorist plot if they had pursued leads more diligently. Mueller's acknowledgment came amid two new disclosures of what could be missed hints about Sept. 11. http://www.cbsnews.c...162-510607.html FAA MOST RESPONSIBLE FOR 9-11 Despite a congressional panel investigating potential intelligence failures leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks releasing a report today that points to mistakes made by the CIA and FBI, an aviation security consultant says it is the Federal Aviation Administration that should take most of the blame for the tragedy. http://www.wnd.com/2...iE4382TjQRiq.99 It was clear during the 1990s that Osama bin Laden made it known that he was extremely angry at the United States for the stationing of American troops in Saudi Arabia, and it was downhill from then on. Bin Laden's Fatwa http://www.pbs.org/n...fatwa_1996.html Al Qaeda's Second Fatwa http://www.pbs.org/n...fatwa_1998.html In addition, it seems that conspiracy theorist were unaware of the following videos made by the hijackers before they commenced their attack on America on 9/11/2001. Al-Qaeda released martyr videos for most of the 9/11 hijackers. The Al Jazeera satellite network shows an hour-long video about al-Qaeda containing footage given to it from al-Qaeda of some of the 9/11 hijackers, including a martyr video from hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari (see September 9, 2002 and September 9, 2002). A martyr video from hijacker Ahmed Alhaznawi was shown in April 2002. But this new hour-long video contains images of each of the hijacker teams that hijacked Flights 11, 77, 93 and 175 on September 11. These images show pictures of each hijacker in the team floating over a background. There is nothing in the videos nor images of the 911 hijackers that indicated a government 911 conspiracy. False claims of conspiracy theorist regarding the 911 attacks have been successfully debunked with facts and evidence and even Steven Jones has debunked the hoaxed mini-nuke story. Osama bin Laden has admitted to his responsibility for the 911 attacks. Bin Laden Admits 9/11 Responsibility, Warns of More Attacks A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more. http://www.pbs.org/n...n_10-29-04.html As a result of his bloody campaign of terror in the Far East, Middle East, Africa, and in the United States that resulted in the death and wounding of thousands, Osama bin Laden is now history. To sum it up, Ramzi Yousef bombed WTC1 in 1993 and the Bojinka Plot was revealed by the Philippine govenment in 1995, and in 1998, Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States whereas a number of countries around the world issued warnings to the United States of a pending attack by Muslim terrorist using aircraft. Some warnings pointed directly at al-Qaeda; in other words, the 911 attacks had nothing to do with a fabled 'false flag' operation and 12 years after the 911 attacks, no evidence of a government 911 conspiracy exist because it never was. Edited August 10, 2013 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaphod222 Posted August 10, 2013 #359 Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) It all sounds like a conspiracy now.... I dont know what to believe. Thank you for your opinion. The jihad is not a conspiracy, you genius. It is a clear religious command, which the fundamentamentalist clerics are very explicit about. That an individual "martyr" will not announce his precise plans in advance to the enemy, is simply a necessisty. That does not make it a "conspiracy". "Jihad, holy fighting in Allahs cause with full force of numbers and weaponry, is an obligation and duty in Islam on every Muslim. " --- Faisal Shazad ---- Edited August 10, 2013 by Zaphod222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted August 10, 2013 #360 Share Posted August 10, 2013 It all sounds like a conspiracy now.... I dont know what to believe. Thank you for your opinion. Speaking of a conspiracy, here are just a few examples of how far 911 Truthers will go to deceive the masses. Hoaxed photo. Actual photo Now, for the rest of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted August 10, 2013 #361 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Just curious... Why did the American GOV ignore the warnings and allow the 911 attacks to happen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenat Posted August 10, 2013 #362 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Just curious... Why did the American GOV ignore the warnings and allow the 911 attacks to happen? How many warnings do you think they get in just a day? How many of those turn out to be nothing? Very likely that these warnings were lost in the noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted August 11, 2013 #363 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Just curious... Why did the American GOV ignore the warnings and allow the 911 attacks to happen? The government ignoring warnings is nothing new, especially with tons of intelligence information flowing in; some false, some true, but there will be those who will ignore certain warnings regardless. Our intelligence services continued to ignore warning in the years after the 911 attacks and one case in Afghanistan, it cost the CIA top-level agents including Jennifer Matthews. I might add that Hitler continued to ignore warnings and that assisted the allies during the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted August 11, 2013 #364 Share Posted August 11, 2013 How many warnings do you think they get in just a day? How many of those turn out to be nothing? Very likely that these warnings were lost in the noise. Then that makes you wonder what the point of having Intelligence services and vast armies of Spooks is, doesn't it. I think, according to accounts, these were more than just noise, these seemed to be pretty clear and definite. Perhaps (to give them the benefit of the doubt) they didn't imagine that it could possibly be on the scale it turned out to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet Posted August 11, 2013 Author #365 Share Posted August 11, 2013 FBI whistleblower Kenneth Williams sent the phoenix memo to John 0’ Neill then the top counterterrorism agent in the F.B.I.'s New York office, The Phoenix-based agent, Kenneth Williams, wrote a memo to his superiors in Washington two months before the attacks, “Suggesting that terrorists might be learning to fly commercial jetliners at U.S. flight schools." You can’t get any clearer than that…………..so what happened? The FBI officers were taken off that line of inquiry and sent to investigate an arson case. Osama and his band of 19 merry men sure seems like they were cut some breaks ,I bet he couldn’t believe his luck when he timed his operation to coincide with the NORAD exercise . Dr Steven Jones seems to be taking a little heat from a poster who has come across Ed Ward's research ,seems he doesn't like being called a liar. http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29647&start=90 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenat Posted August 11, 2013 #366 Share Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) Then that makes you wonder what the point of having Intelligence services and vast armies of Spooks is, doesn't it. I think, according to accounts, these were more than just noise, these seemed to be pretty clear and definite. Perhaps (to give them the benefit of the doubt) they didn't imagine that it could possibly be on the scale it turned out to be. They appear to be clear and definite when you can look back at them, much less so at the time, especially considering there are multiple thousands of different threats every day most of which never amount to anything. The saying "hindsight is 20/20" applies here. Edited August 11, 2013 by frenat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaphod222 Posted August 11, 2013 #367 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Just curious... Why did the American GOV ignore the warnings and allow the 911 attacks to happen? There were no concrete warnings about exactly what would happen. Of course there were warnings about some some attack, but then again, that is more or less the normal states, because Jihadists are always schemeing. Right now, Obama has closed all the embassies in North Africa, because of "warnings". That is of course an over-reaction; he can not keep them closed permanently. The next time an embassy bomber gets through, will you then ask why Obama "ignored the warnings" and concoct some conspiracy theory?? (I shouldn´t ask, of course you will. Bah) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted August 11, 2013 #368 Share Posted August 11, 2013 FBI whistleblower Kenneth Williams sent the phoenix memo to John 0’ Neill then the top counterterrorism agent in the F.B.I.'s New York office, The Phoenix-based agent, Kenneth Williams, wrote a memo to his superiors in Washington two months before the attacks, “Suggesting that terrorists might be learning to fly commercial jetliners at U.S. flight schools." You can’t get any clearer than that…………..so what happened? The FBI officers were taken off that line of inquiry and sent to investigate an arson case. Osama and his band of 19 merry men sure seems like they were cut some breaks ,I bet he couldn’t believe his luck when he timed his operation to coincide with the NORAD exercise . Dr Steven Jones seems to be taking a little heat from a poster who has come across Ed Ward's research ,seems he doesn't like being called a liar. http://www.ldsfreedo...=29647&start=90 To put it simply; you have been duped again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorBites Posted August 11, 2013 #369 Share Posted August 11, 2013 FBI whistleblower Kenneth Williams sent the phoenix memo to John 0’ Neill then the top counterterrorism agent in the F.B.I.'s New York office, The Phoenix-based agent, Kenneth Williams, wrote a memo to his superiors in Washington two months before the attacks, “Suggesting that terrorists might be learning to fly commercial jetliners at U.S. flight schools." You can’t get any clearer than that…………..so what happened? The FBI officers were taken off that line of inquiry and sent to investigate an arson case. Osama and his band of 19 merry men sure seems like they were cut some breaks ,I bet he couldn’t believe his luck when he timed his operation to coincide with the NORAD exercise . You still fail to see the point. Terrorists where learning to fly planes, this is nothing new. Terrorists hijack planes, this again is nothing new. Terrorists learning to fly, hijacking planes, and using them as weapons in suicide attacks are new. The problem is, how do you stop terrorists from hijacking a plane, let a lone 4, when the total flights in the US alone per day totals around 80,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted August 11, 2013 #370 Share Posted August 11, 2013 You still fail to see the point. Terrorists where learning to fly planes, this is nothing new. Terrorists hijack planes, this again is nothing new. Terrorists learning to fly, hijacking planes, and using them as weapons in suicide attacks are new. The problem is, how do you stop terrorists from hijacking a plane, let a lone 4, when the total flights in the US alone per day totals around 80,000? i thought that was what the TSA were for ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted August 11, 2013 #371 Share Posted August 11, 2013 i thought that was what the TSA were for ... The TSA has been known to drop the ball as well. TSA failure: 25,000 airport security breaches since 2001, says report http://www.naturalnews.com/033009_airports_security_breaches.html#ixzz2bhG8IIhp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet Posted August 12, 2013 Author #372 Share Posted August 12, 2013 No I don’t think I am missing the point ,if you have read the commission report and the NIST report and the pentagon building performance report you can easily find hundreds of omissions deceptions and pure speculative guess work, and quite frankly that isn’t good enough ,the case for Osama doing 9/11 should be open and shut but on every turn theirs an anomaly that can’t be explained using the governments story and the only thing that should be done is an independent investigation into this world changing event but there never will be, maybe in 50 years’ time when the real perpetrators have long gone. To be honest I am more interest in ancient monuments and I have shared many photos of my last trip to Peru/Nazca and Puma Punka with others that are interested http://www.unexplain...pic=245045&st=0 and when I get bored of ancient monuments I pick up the latest read on 9/11 ,so being called a moron or a Troother does make me smile .it’s funny that I was once a believer in the Osama did it tale and it took me a couple of years to reluctantly reject the idea and I fully realize the ramifications of picking at this scab which many people would like to see buried. I was also well aware of the flack coming my way for starting a thread titled AMERICA NUKED 9/11 but i thought the research by Jeff Prager, Ed Ward ,Bill Deagle and many others ought to be shared for others to make their own mind up on the validity of their research . Im still waiting for an answer on why trilithon 55 times higher than background would be found in water samples in building 6, 11 days after 9/11 and after being diluted with fire hosing and rainfall. this would be the first person i would interview /arrest if a real 9/11 investigation was forthcoming. http://americanfreepress.net/?p=6666 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted August 12, 2013 #373 Share Posted August 12, 2013 is trilithon the word you mean? A trilithon (or trilith) is a structure consisting of two large vertical stones (posts) supporting a third stone set horizontally across the top (lintel). It is commonly used in the context of megalithic monuments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet Posted August 12, 2013 Author #374 Share Posted August 12, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1060043/Pictured-The-40ft-pothole-shows-Ground-Zero-site-Ice-Age-glacier.html is trilithon the word you mean? A trilithon (or trilith) is a structure consisting of two large vertical stones (posts) supporting a third stone set horizontally across the top (lintel). It is commonly used in the context of megalithic monuments. hello Colonel yes i did get abit muddled there lol ...............or was ground zero an ancient site. Pictured: The 40ft 'pothole' that shows Ground Zero was once the site of an Ice Age glacier Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1060043/Pictured-The-40ft-pothole-shows-Ground-Zero-site-Ice-Age-glacier.html#ixzz2bmu0Oqd9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted August 12, 2013 #375 Share Posted August 12, 2013 I thought the word was TRITIUM, a radioactive form of hydrogen? Had assumed that anyway? And there will not be any answers to your excellent question Poppet. If any response at all, it will most likely be: "oh no, that's been debunked" or some type of denial of facts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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