ChrLzs Posted July 17, 2017 #51 Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 hours ago, sees said: Did you read 2-B's excellent post (# 17 on page 1)? It addresses this claim of cherry picking (towards the end of the post). In that post he stated: Quote Last, while cherry-picking in theory damages an argument, this reviewer fails to explain how Paulides and his researchers can be cherry-picking when their goal has been to collect data on ALL the disappearances in national park areas that cannot be explained by animal attacks, drownings, mere wandering off of children or elderly, typical outdoor injuries leading to death, etc. Please explain how the heck you can rule out, for example, animal attacks or drownings given these are disappearances. Ie there is no body to examine to determine the cause. Just handwaving it away as an issue shows that either - you haven't read any/much of the book nor examined at least some of the cases in detail - don't understand what cherry-picking means, and how a genuine researcher will not only avoid it, but will also declare exactly how s/he avoided it... The thing is, Paulides simply declared cases 'odd' for the most trivial of reasons. So if you would like to argue that cherry-picking does not apply, please point out the part in Paulides where he discusses how/where he 'drew the line'. You will be struggling to find the criteria he used for counting in any given case.. in fact you will find that pretty much anything was used, eg (and no I'm not kidding..): - that tracking dogs could not seem to find a scent trail... - that two people had short christian names starting with A... - that a few disappearances were 'odd' because the persons were last seen near berry bushes... Yes, I'm afraid it really is that bad. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted July 19, 2017 #52 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Some of the stories Paulides leave out or changes the details. In Bart Schleyer case Paulides claims animal faeces contained no human material, but from articles I've read Schleyer's remains were found in bear faeces. Dennis Martin is another that sounds like a kidnapping that Paulides tries to make sound mysterious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted July 21, 2017 #53 Share Posted July 21, 2017 After listening to some of his interviews I heard David Paulides rejects the mountain lion explanation because attacks are so rare, yet when they do attack they have been known drag off adults. Anyone else noticing the irony here? Paulides is spinning these stories as paranormal BUT rejects something that we know occurs because it's too rare. This makes me think his isn't genuinely after answers. I believe some of the cases (not all) can be explained by mountain lions, they stalk silently and attempt to kill their prey quickly, someone may not even have time to scream. I just found it funny the excuse Paulides gave for rejecting this explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted July 23, 2017 #54 Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) On 7/21/2017 at 0:50 PM, Rlyeh said: After listening to some of his interviews I heard David Paulides rejects the mountain lion explanation because attacks are so rare, yet when they do attack they have been known drag off adults. Anyone else noticing the irony here? I think you're working a little too hard here. Yes Mt. Lion Attacks are rare, but when they do attack there is evidence of said attack, like blood, tissue and marks in the ground from the aforementioned dragging off of its victims. That is why the mt. lion theory is dismissed in many of these cases, the evidence just isnt there. At least thats what Ive taken from his presentations. I do think some of the cases have possibly more mundane explanations, especially the ones involving young children for instance as an eagle can pick up somewhere around 30lbs. Edited July 23, 2017 by Farmer77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted July 23, 2017 #55 Share Posted July 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Farmer77 said: I think you're working a little too hard here. Yes Mt. Lion Attacks are rare, but when they do attack there is evidence of said attack, like blood, tissue and marks in the ground from the aforementioned dragging off of its victims. That is why the mt. lion theory is dismissed in many of these cases, the evidence just isnt there. At least thats what Ive taken from his presentations. I do think some of the cases have possibly more mundane explanations, especially the ones involving young children for instance as an eagle can pick up somewhere around 30lbs. That's why I said only some cases could be explained by mountain lions, I don't think blood would necessarily be present if the lion took them by surprise breaking the neck. But Paulides excuse "they're too rare" is good coming from someone who is selling bigfoot. Some of them is truly strange however assuming he isn't leaving out details. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted August 8, 2017 #56 Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) On 7/23/2017 at 5:55 PM, Farmer77 said: I think you're working a little too hard here. And you're not working hard enough.. Quote Yes Mt. Lion Attacks are rare, but when they do attack there is evidence of said attack, like blood, tissue and marks in the ground from the aforementioned dragging off of its victims. But that only applies if you know where the attack took place!!! How often do you think that happens? Usually (ok, I'm guessing here..) I'd wager that such an attack will not happen if there are two(or+) people. I'd also wager that such attacks don't usually happen at a campsite... Quote That is why the mt. lion theory is dismissed in many of these cases, the evidence just isnt there. At least thats what Ive taken from his presentations. There's your problem. He's selling books and seminars so of course his presentations will tell you that. If you are genuine about extracting info from statistics, you MUST declare your criteria and justify it. He doesn't. So his 'info' is worthless. In fact , imo, worse than useless as it is tainted by a monetary interest. Edited August 8, 2017 by ChrLzs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maureen_jacobs Posted August 23, 2017 #57 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Well, guess what I received for my birthday?....the entire set of books authored by Mr. Paulides. I'm so happy. updates to follow. Edited August 23, 2017 by Maureen_jacobs Forgot to add updates to follow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozfactor Posted August 23, 2017 #58 Share Posted August 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Maureen_jacobs said: Well, guess what I received for my birthday?....the entire set of books authored by Mr. Paulides. I'm so happy. updates to follow. what a great gift ! look forward to updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor wu Posted August 23, 2017 #59 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Hello to everyone..... I became interested in the 'Missing 411' theme a year ago and read online material and watched some you tube presentations...but none of his actual books. It does appear he wants to use the 'supernatural' (bigfoot?...dimensional rifts..?) to account for some of the 'odd' disappearances but as already pointed out by several posters here there simply isn't any evidence to support this...so until that time the best answer remains natural accidents including animal attacks. The only other explanation that might work for me are serial killers who have specialized in using Parks as their hunting grounds. Has anyone investigated this idea? Edited August 23, 2017 by doctor wu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecece Posted September 12, 2017 #60 Share Posted September 12, 2017 There are 3 in the series. http://fordounsawmillwind.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maureen_jacobs Posted September 13, 2017 #61 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Started with the Eastern US book. Still trudging along. Right now, he is presenting certain types of folks that were missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor wu Posted September 13, 2017 #62 Share Posted September 13, 2017 ^^Does he mention the idea of serial killers who use parks as a 'hunting ground'..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Raven Posted November 4, 2017 #63 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I've always been interesting in missing persons in the woods cases (as someone who spends a lot of my free time in the forests/mountains). Many (most) missing persons cases (where the person is never found) I can usually come up with a somewhat reasonable hypothesis of what happened. Heck, lots of people go missing in the mountains near where I live and are never found. But most of the time it's fairly easy to (reasonably) guess what happened and why the bodies are never found. The terrain in my area (coastal BC) is very rugged, very steep, and very densely wooded. You can be five steps from a well used trail and never see it. It can take you a whole day to travel two or three kilometres as a crow flies in one direction (if you can even go in that direction). And the weather changes on a dime here in the colder months. I always go out well prepared and try not to take too many chances (especially when solo hiking, exploring, camping, etc). That being said, some of the cases mentioned in His interviews (and that i've subsequently googled) are kinda bizarre. Especially how the parks board seems to be stalling his every move, lying, etc. Though it's probably nothing more than bad publicity they are trying to avoid (and lawsuits, etc). All that being said, a small fraction of these cases deserve a more in-depth look. Personally, I hope I can find his books at a good cost (or the library soon). I look forwards to reading them (and how he tries not to give theories as to why the people went missing, etc). Have a good day. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor wu Posted November 4, 2017 #64 Share Posted November 4, 2017 12 hours ago, Bavarian Raven said: I've always been interesting in missing persons in the woods cases (as someone who spends a lot of my free time in the forests/mountains). Many (most) missing persons cases (where the person is never found) I can usually come up with a somewhat reasonable hypothesis of what happened. Heck, lots of people go missing in the mountains near where I live and are never found. But most of the time it's fairly easy to (reasonably) guess what happened and why the bodies are never found. The terrain in my area (coastal BC) is very rugged, very steep, and very densely wooded. You can be five steps from a well used trail and never see it. It can take you a whole day to travel two or three kilometres as a crow flies in one direction (if you can even go in that direction). And the weather changes on a dime here in the colder months. I always go out well prepared and try not to take too many chances (especially when solo hiking, exploring, camping, etc). That being said, some of the cases mentioned in His interviews (and that i've subsequently googled) are kinda bizarre. Especially how the parks board seems to be stalling his every move, lying, etc. Though it's probably nothing more than bad publicity they are trying to avoid (and lawsuits, etc). All that being said, a small fraction of these cases deserve a more in-depth look. Personally, I hope I can find his books at a good cost (or the library soon). I look forwards to reading them (and how he tries not to give theories as to why the people went missing, etc). Have a good day. Cheers. I have only read articles online and watched a few you tube videos (and a podcast) by him but it is indeed an interesting subject. I don't think ufos and bigfoot are abducting people in parks but some of the cases are pretty strange when you look into them. I suspect it's accidents and possibly a handful of predators (serial killers...?) that accounts for the cases. At any rate there is a sister thread here on the board 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor wu Posted November 4, 2017 #65 Share Posted November 4, 2017 A relatively short interview detailing the main gist of his work.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Raven Posted November 4, 2017 #66 Share Posted November 4, 2017 5 hours ago, doctor wu said: I have only read articles online and watched a few you tube videos (and a podcast) by him but it is indeed an interesting subject. I don't think ufos and bigfoot are abducting people in parks but some of the cases are pretty strange when you look into them. I suspect it's accidents and possibly a handful of predators (serial killers...?) that accounts for the cases. At any rate there is a sister thread here on the board Ya... nothing paranormal IMHO ... just bad luck and probably a few psychos (and maybe people getting abducted by the gov for sinister purposes - jk). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor wu Posted November 5, 2017 #67 Share Posted November 5, 2017 6 hours ago, Bavarian Raven said: Ya... nothing paranormal IMHO ... just bad luck and probably a few psychos (and maybe people getting abducted by the gov for sinister purposes - jk). The govt...? Can you elaborate on that...? What sinister purposes..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Raven Posted November 5, 2017 #68 Share Posted November 5, 2017 8 hours ago, doctor wu said: The govt...? Can you elaborate on that...? What sinister purposes..? That was sarcasm/a joke. Though it wouldn't surprise me, I doubt they are behind it. The only reason I made that joke is because it wouldn't be the first time the gov has used its citizens as human guinie pigs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor wu Posted November 5, 2017 #69 Share Posted November 5, 2017 4 hours ago, Bavarian Raven said: That was sarcasm/a joke. Though it wouldn't surprise me, I doubt they are behind it. The only reason I made that joke is because it wouldn't be the first time the gov has used its citizens as human guinie pigs. LOL.....fair enough. Even though I find the whole Missing 411 thing interesting ( a few of the cases are truly bizarre in some ways.), I can't see anything supernatural behind it. People go missing all the time for various accidental reasons and in deep and rugged places it no doubt happens on a regular basis.....in other words ****e happens. What bothers me a little is that Paulides .while acknowledging this. seems to still want to imply that 'something else' is going on but he won't commit to an opinion on what the 'something else' might be. His reticence on this leads some people to think he's referring to things like aliens, Bigfoot, or supernatural events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodentraiser Posted November 14, 2017 #70 Share Posted November 14, 2017 "Beware: Do Not Read This Poem" Ishmael Reed tonite , thriller was abt an ol woman , so vain she surrounded herself w/ many mirrors it got so bad that finally she locked herself indoors & her whole life became the mirrors one day the villagers broke into her house , but she was too swift for them . she disappeared into a mirror each tenant who bought the house after that , lost a loved one to the ol woman in the mirror first a little girl then a young woman then the young woman/s husband the hunger of this poem is legendary it has taken in many victims back off from this poem it has drawn in yr feet back off from this poem it has drawn in yr legs back off from this poem it is a greedy mirror you are into this poem . from the waist down nobody can hear you can they ? this poem has had you up to here belch this poem aint got no manners you cant call out frm this poem relax now & go w/ this poem move & roll on to this poem do not resist this poem this poem has yr eyes this poem has his head this poem has his arms this poem has his fingers this poem has his fingertips this poem is the reader & the reader this poem statistic : the us bureau of missing persons report that in 1968 over 100,000 people disappeared leaving no solid clues nor trace only a space in the lives of their friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted December 3, 2017 #71 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I started out interested by this topic. However, when he or he recounted a story though, I totally disregard him now. He went on C2C and recounted a "report" that someone encountered essentially the Predator alien in full camouflage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted April 2, 2018 #72 Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) Quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Paulides Big foot is not proven there are no bones of these creatures ever found. these people not found is another reason Edited April 2, 2018 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotDeerie Posted July 31, 2019 #73 Share Posted July 31, 2019 On 12/2/2017 at 11:21 PM, Trelane said: I started out interested by this topic. However, when he or he recounted a story though, I totally disregard him now. He went on C2C and recounted a "report" that someone encountered essentially the Predator alien in full camouflage. I realize I'm coming into this discussion almost two years late but... That was a report someone sent to him. He included it. Whether you choose to believe that report or not, how do you just toss away the thousands of other reports of people who have disappeared/died/never been found/been found dead in strange circumstances? It was an odd report, true, but I've read a similar one elsewhere involving other people, too. <shrug> If you've ever been in deep forest when every creature goes suddenly quiet, your mind CAN go to some very interesting places... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 31, 2019 #74 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, ScotDeerie said: I realize I'm coming into this discussion almost two years late but... That was a report someone sent to him. He included it. Whether you choose to believe that report or not, how do you just toss away the thousands of other reports of people who have disappeared/died/never been found/been found dead in strange circumstances? It was an odd report, true, but I've read a similar one elsewhere involving other people, too. <shrug> If you've ever been in deep forest when every creature goes suddenly quiet, your mind CAN go to some very interesting places... No worries, you're certainly not the only one to necro-post around here. In his most recent books he has omitted elements of many accounts. This surely has been to neatly fit them into the narrative of a mysterious force. Do a little more digging on the accounts he uses, and there is far more than what he reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotDeerie Posted July 31, 2019 #75 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Trelane said: No worries, you're certainly not the only one to necro-post around here. In his most recent books he has omitted elements of many accounts. This surely has been to neatly fit them into the narrative of a mysterious force. Do a little more digging on the accounts he uses, and there is far more than what he reports. I'm sure there is but any writer knows to carve down the narrative as well as how to bend it how they want it to go. (Not that I'm saying he does that, mind you. I just don't think every word is repeated everywhere and I'm sure there are reasons why that we are not privy to.) But I've also noted he has been more than careful to NEVER promote a specific theory to explain any of these disappearances and I respect that. I realize he has connections with MUFON, and I think someone here mentioned Big Foot, although I didn't know about that one, but he still has never actually verbalized a specific theory he might have. And, truly, at this point he might not really have one. When I look back over events in my life I have no specific theories on what events might or might not have been, either. Anyway, I sort of enjoy the stories for the story's sake. My mind might go off and go, "Hey, it might have been..." but I never buy into any particular theory. I just find most of them pretty odd and enjoy them for the story's sake. What I *did* find interesting was the little boy who went missing about a year ago and, after he was found alive and well, said a "bear" had helped him when he was lost. Things that make you go "hmmm...". BTW, love "necro-post". That made me smile. Edited July 31, 2019 by ScotDeerie Mountain climbing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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