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Capitalism's Fatal Flaw and the Way Forward

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Full Title: Why the Core Plutocracy Pushes "People Are Pollution" ‘Global-Warmism’ [ = Neo-Eugenics]

Unexplained Mysteries Politics Forum Participants,

Hypothesis: A Brief Summary of the Collective-Psychological "Psycho-Historical Law" of the History of Capitalism as a predictable stage in the self-alienated self-development of the Human '''Phenome'''/Genome.

The primary driver of the trajectory of a [self-]global[izing] capital-relation-based human-social system is the "self-duality" of capital as "self-expanding value" versus capital as "self-contracting value", and the mutually-determined shift in the balance of these two contrary, mutually-engendering processes as the capital-praxis of humanity develops itself... .

Historical Premises.

Competitive capitalism is inherently unstable as such.

Competition leads to the negation of competition.

Some competitors succeed, most fail.

The succeeding competitors typically swallow up the assets of the failing competitors.

As a result, the concentration of economic power grows, in the hands of the “successful competitors”.

Capital as "Self-Expanding Value": "Accumulation" of Capital-Value as Net Profits are re-invested, especially in new, more cost-effective, more productive "capital equipment".

But, as the physical mass of profit-productivity-enhancing fixed capital grows relative to the physical mass of circulating capital, the vulnerability of the owners of concentrated capital to devastating competition from "upstart" new entrants, employing less costly to acquire, less costly to operate, and/or more productive [less-costly per unit of output] fixed capital plant-and-equipment, grows apace.

Capital as "Self-Contracting Value": "Dis-Accumulation" of the Capital-Value of past-accumulated, obsolete fixed-capital plant and equipment

The concentrated-capital owners can be forced, by such competition — from "upstart" new entrants, employing less costly to acquire, less costly to operate, and/or more productive [less-costly per unit of output] fixed capital plant-and-equipment — to retire their thus "obsoleted" fixed capital, at a loss, i.e., long before its full-physical-life-time-use "full amortization" would have paid for it and yielded its expected profit-returns, AND while they still owe debt-service on the loans that they took out to purchase that now-worthless fixed capital. They may typically have to pay that debt-service for many years still to come, while also having to take out NEW loans on the NEW, replacement fixed-capital, that is competitive with the "upstart" new entrant(’)s(’) more advanced fixed capital, thus "compounding" their debt-service expenses and exposure.

This compounding of debt-service payment expenses on fixed capital, for both fixed capital still in use -- and also for that not still in use, and thus no longer generating any revenue "coverage" for its own continuing debt-service costs -- combined with the continual "writing-off" of other fixed capital "techno-obsoleted" in this way, once the value of fixed capital has become a large or even a predominant portion of total capital, can induce a secular decline in the net rate of profit return on investment for core concentrated industrial capital.

Later, these capital-return-rate losses to industrial capitalists and to banks is "socialized" (e.g., due to the heightening rates of bankruptcy of industrial borrowers holding too much "compounded" debt-service expense) — is converted into inflation losses to the public (i.e., mainly, to losses for the working class — for the buying power of their wages and savings), via "Central Bank" fractional reserve monetary systems [fiat debt-money-creation systems] — systems no longer constrained by production and productivity (e.g., by the production of precious metals), and designed for that very purpose by the core plutocracy.

For more about this, see "US Price levels 1665 to 2005, in Constant (2005) Dollars" at http://oregonstate.e...sahr/pl1665.htm.

As a result, the owners of concentrated, core industrial capital move massively to destroy such "upstart", new entrant, new technology based competition, both from entrepreneurs in the industrial capitalist core countries, and from other countries, outside that core, that have the potential to industrialize — a potential that they seek to crush by the setting up of progress-suppressing comprador servant-dictatorships -- servants to the core plutocracy, dictators to their own people -- throughout the yet-to-industrialize peripheries of the core capitalist countries.

The successful competitors, the core concentrated industrial and banking capital owners, have sufficient capital-profit funds, and other forms of power, to begin "buying-out" [prostituting] the national states of the core — legislature, executive, and judiciary alike, thus subverting any political checks-&-balances against anti-democratic abuses of power among the political branches of bourgeois-democratic nation-states.

They leverage their prostitution of these governments to destroy real competition, arranging corporate welfare of all kinds for themselves, and biased regulatory strangulation for their smaller competitors, especially the new entrants who are fielding the most innovative, higher-productivity [higher "productive force"]/lower-cost technologies.

Now increasingly and effectively "Above the Law", the concentrated-capital ownership plutocracy begins to kidnap ("disappear"), or assassinate, or otherwise ruin (often using the unconstitutionally/anti-constitutionally-expanded police powers of their prostitute-governments) inventors whose innovations threaten to "techno-depreciate" the plutocrats' fixed capital, via more-advanced, more-productive technology.

[Example: HYPOTHESIS — the Rockefeller Oil/Finance Plutocracy [Exxon-Mobile/J. P. Morgan-Chase, etc.] has brought about the rapid demise, in one way or another, of every single inventor/scientist who has ever announced a successful fusion reactor design. For more about these dynamics, see GS3: The Long History of the 'Rocke-Nazi' Suppression of Nuclear Fusion Energy Development, and the Decoy of Linear-Equilibrium "Tokamak" Fusion.]

For more about these "techno-depreciation" dynamics, see:

Historical Consequences.

So, the plutocracy also uses its wealth, and the military power of the core capitalist state(s) which it has prostituted, financed for "free" to that plutocracy, via the tax revenues paid to those states mainly by their non-wealthy, non-plutocrat, mostly working class citizens [thus creating a new form of “surplus-value” exploitation], to install, and to maintain, "servant-dictatorships" all over the periphery of the core/"advanced" industrial capitalist state(s).

The core-plutocracy-assigned function of these "servant-dictators" — "servants" to the core plutocracy, "dictators" to their own citizens — and their police-states is to, under CIA tutelage, torture, rape, and murder the progressive, democratic-nationalist, and “populist” citizens of those nations, and to destroy any industrialization or technological advance in those peripheral states.

Otherwise, the core plutocracy would face "techno-depreciation" of its fixed-capital-based assets from abroad, from the periphery, where a combination of traditionally low wages, and latest-vintage, higher-productivity, lower-cots, higher-quality capital equipment, in competition against the plutocracy's older-vintage/obsolete capital equipment, and the higher wages won by the core middle/working class through generations of bloody struggles against that plutocracy in the core industrial-capitalist state(s), would "techno-depreciate" that plutocracy's fixed-capital-based assets, and/or depress their rate of return on those assets, to an extent which would threaten the ability to hold onto economic, hence political, power of that core plutocracy.

Lately -- starting with the post-WWII re-industrializing re-building of Western Europe ["Marshall Plan", etc.] and Japan, forced upon the core U.S./U.K. plutocracy by their need to counter the Stalinist state-capitalist challenge to their global rule, and continuing, e.g., in the industrialization of China, India, and Brazil -- the core plutocracy's strategy of industrialization-suppression has been failing more and more. The core plutocracy feels cornered, and has become desperate.

These plutocrats have therefore massively funded anti-science, anti-technology, pro-de-industrialization, and "people are pollution" ('pro-humanocide') ideologies — beginning even before WWII, with, e.g., Rockefeller "Eugenics" in the 1920s & 1930s, adopted — and discredited — by their former "servant-dictator", later "Franken-Dictator" Adolph Hitler, all the way to today's "Eugenics Warmed-Over" — humanocidal "GLOBAL-WARMISM", as well as other variants of pro-"population reduction" ploys (e.g., "Peak-Oil"-ism, "Small-Is-Beautiful"-ism, "Limits-to-Growth"-ism, "Zero-Growth"-ism, etc., etc., ad nauseam).

The purpose of all of these plutocracy-manufactured “people are pollution”, pro-“population reduction”, ‘pro-humanocide’ ideologies is to help block further advances in technology/"human social productivity", which threaten to devalue their fixed-capital-based assets, and, eventually, to reverse the historical growth of human-social [self-]productivity / "the social forces of production".

Hence, since these plutocrats strive to suppress any rise in global social productivity, and, eventually, to lower it, they work also to achieve public acquiescence in global multi-genocide ("population reduction"), since their productivity-blocking has the consequence of accumulating an ever more miserable population of poor people worldwide, ever more likely to revolt against, and to overthrow, that ultra-vicious plutocracy.

The plutocracy therefore acts to murder these people preemptively, through all kinds of stealth genocide (Hypothesis: e.g., via genomically-engineered "Designer Diseases", such as "AIDS"), and through outright genocide whenever these plutocrats think that they can get away with it.

Thus, the self-degeneration of representative-democratic, competitive capitalism into totalitarian, humanocidal state-capitalism is inevitable, until or unless the world's people rise up in revolt, and put an end to the 'humanocidal' power of this increasingly hyper-perverted, 'cosmopathic', core plutocracy.

This path represents the immanent "law of motion" of industrial-capital-centered human societies generally.

The only way that I see out of this deepening nightmare is to increasingly put the productive assets of society into the hands of socialized producers' cooperatives, which must meet the economic checks-and-balances, and the tests, of market competition — e.g., the Equitists' new "Citizen Stewardship Equity" constitutional rights.

Control — not ownership, but stewardship — of social property productive assets by these socialized producers' cooperatives would, in that way, be widely dispersed, creating constitutional-citizen-economic-rights-based economic checks-and-balances, conserving the checks-and-balances on "product quality" and "customer service quality" provided by market competition, and blocking the hyper-concentration of capital-asset-value seen today, which leads rapidly to the global self-destruction of human society, due to the political-economic dynamics of "techno-depreciation", and due to the predictable ruling class strategic responses thereto, as described above.

This "way out" will require a popular revolution in the "core of the core" of [state-]capitalism — in the U.S.A., as well as in China — much like the one which overthrew Stalinist state-capitalism in Russia and Eastern Europe circa 1989.

However, this time, it must be, if it is to succeed, a revolution aimed DIRECTLY at the ruling Rockefeller/Morgan/Rothschild/etc. invisible dictatorship, which was able to pervert and suppress the Eastern European and Russian revolutions against state-capitalism, installing new, neo-state-capitalistservant-dictators [Yeltsin, Putin] there, because that plutocracy was in a momentaneously safe, privileged position to strike at them, since it was not directly vulnerable to those revolutions.

This revolution, to succeed, must be aimed at GREATER individual liberty, and GREATER democracy, not less.

It must be a revolution whose goal, e.g., is the CONSERVATIVE EXTENSION of the U. S. Constitution and Bill Of Rights, so as to add ECONOMIC CHECKS AND BALANCES -- also thereby resurrecting the otherwise increasingly moribund political checks and balances among the branches of the political government, by overthrowing the prostitution of the political government to the core plutocracy -- and new Species of Citizen Equity constitutional rights, beyond but still including, and, for the first time, enforcing Capital-Equity [stockholder Democracy] — New Citizen Economic Rights — to the Political-only Rights and checks-and-balances already enshrined in — even if honored increasingly only "in the breach", especially lately — that Bill Of Rights of that Constitution.

It must be, to succeed, a revolution whose demand is an amendment of the U.S. Constitution, establishing a Political-ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY.

To succeed, it must be a legal, non-violent movement for constitutional amendment, using the legally-established channels for such amendment.

Unfortunately, the Caligulan-Neroan hyper-pervertoids of the U. S. plutocracy can be expected to attack this movement illegally, with all of the ultra-violence that they can muster, until or unless this movement becomes popular enough — just as the popularity of the revolutions in Eastern Europe and the former USSR eventually stayed the hand of the vicious secret police and the pro-Stalinist army elements, flash-freezing those craven bullies via their fear of popular wrath.

Since this ultra-violent response of the (Rockefeller/Morgan/Rothschild/etc.) core plutocracy is predictable, it should be prepared for in advance.

How much more mass murder will the people of the United States tolerate from the ‘Rocke-Nazi’, "R.I.C.O." [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization] U.S. "government" before they rise up?

Individualist Anarchists and Pseudo-Libertarians take heed: Pining away for a utopia of stable, perpetual free capitalist competition, a la Ron Paul — a nowhere "utopia" that does not exist, and that cannot ever exist anywhere — is, well, ineffective, and impractical, to say the least. Insisting that this impossibility become reality — and thereby transferring even more unchecked power into the hands of the mega-corporate plutocracy, by eliminating even those few benefits and protections against increasingly unchecked corporate-plutocratic power that central governments still afford to working people — is the creed of the latest breed of 'utopian capitalists', and plays right into the hands / plans of the core corporate plutocracy.

Pseudo-Marxians (Lenino-Stalinoids, Lenino-Trotskyoids, Stalino-Mao-oids, etc., etc.,ad nauseam) take heed: Totalitarian state-capitalism is not socialism (that is, state-capitalism is not the political-economic democracy of "the associated producers" [Marx]) [This is detailed directly in the works of Karl Marx, as opposed to the re-presented, recuperated, and falsified works of said pseudo-Marxians, many of them funded and deployed by the aforementioned core plutocracy]; on the contrary, state-capitalism is, in fact, the very extremity of the historical OPPOSITE of socialism: the final, hyper-degenerate, descendant-phase, nadir-form of capitalism itself!



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Just curious.... are you from Chile?

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Hence, since these plutocrats strive to suppress any rise in global social productivity, and, eventually, to lower it, they work also to achieve public acquiescence in global multi-genocide ("population reduction"), since their productivity-blocking has the consequence of accumulating an ever more miserable population of poor people worldwide, ever more likely to revolt against, and to overthrow, that ultra-vicious plutocracy.

I am adverse to unhindered, exponential human population growth. It's just not feasible, and whether you agree or not, there are in fact limits to growth. Trust me, I am not part of any plutocracy (I wish) nor are any of the other environmentalists who see human overpopulation as the cause of many of earths degradations.

The plutocracy therefore acts to murder these people preemptively, through all kinds of stealth genocide (Hypothesis: e.g., via genomically-engineered "Designer Diseases", such as "AIDS"), and through outright genocide whenever these plutocrats think that they can get away with it.

Yup, unnamed, secret global elites perpetrating mass genocide on the peasants. Perhaps this thread should be moved over to the Conspiracy sub-forum, I'm sure you would be in better company there.


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Unexplained Mysteries Politics Forum Participants,

Dear redhen,

You wrote: "I am adverse to unhindered, exponential human population growth. It's just not feasible, and whether you agree or not, there are in fact limits to growth. Trust me, I am not part of any plutocracy (I wish) nor are any of the other environmentalists who see human overpopulation as the cause of many of earths degradations."

There is a logical flaw in this response.

To critique the plutocracy for using "population growth" as an excuse for mass murder, is not to advocate "exponential population growth" as you assume.

Indeed the policies of the plutocracy, and the enactment of those policies, especially the repression of the growth of the productive forces in the "Third World" that these policies create, due to its repression of the industrialization-induced "Demographic Transition" there, is the main cause of the high rates of population growth that prevailed in much of the Third World in the past.

That is, the plutocracy is to blame for the population growth rates of which they complain.

That is of no concern to them.

They're real goal is mass murder -- mass murder so as to retain their power, against the technodepreciation that would result if normal productivity development were to proceed worldwide, and against the impoverished, angry, revolt-prone populations that the plutocracy's industrialization-repressing policies produce.

"Population growth" is just a pretext for that mass murder, used to dupe the gullible into acquiesence in that mass murder -- or, worse, into advocacy of mass murder, and even of participation therein.

However, the plutocracy is losing control of the "Third World".

The plutocracy's system of military, etc., "servant dictatorships" there is failing to fully repress industrialization there.

India and Brazil -- not to mention China, a former "Second World" nation -- are industrializing.

Uncontrolled technodepreciation threatens the continued dominance of the core plutocracy of the U. S. and the U.K., especially if one of these newly-indistrializing nations "breaks ranks", despite threats of severe punishment from the core plutocracy, and develops fusion power, inducing a collapse in the capital-value of the petroleum industry.

Also, global fertility rates are plummeting, as elements of the industrialization-induced "Demographic Transition" -- the most powerful contraceptive device ever discovered by mankind so far -- in the former "Third World" begin to take hold.

Not 'Meta-Nazi' Ehrlich's imagined "Population Explosion", but an actual "Population Implosion", has become the real threat to human social continuation, and to the continuation of human social progress.

A "Total Fertility Rate" of ~2.1 children per female citizen is necessary just to maintain a steady population level, against population decline:

"Even today, thanks to Ehrlich, many people still believe that "overpopulation" is a looming problem. But in reality, from Africa to Asia, from South America to Eastern Europe, and from Third World jungles to the wealthy desert petro-kingdoms, nearly every country in every region is experiencing declines in fertility. In 1979, the world's fertility rate was 6.0; today it's 2.52. From a current population of 6.9 billion, the United Nations and others predict that world population will peak somewhere between 10 billion and 12 billion in the next 85 years and then begin the long, inexorable process of shrinking.... The reason for these predictions is that all but a handful of countries are experiencing long-term declines in their fertility rates. All First World countries are already below the 2.1 line. And while fertility rates in many parts of the developing world are still above the 2.1 mark, their rates of decline are, in most cases, even steeper than in the First World." [Jonathan V. Last, What to Expect When No One's Expecting: America's Coming Demographic Disaster, Encounter Books [NY: 2013], p. 8.]

These facts are, of course, no consolation to the plutocracy, because population growth was never -- in itself -- their real concern, or their motive for mass murder. "Population growth" and "The Environment" are, and were always, just "excuses" for their mass murders, used to dupe the gullible.

Threats to that plutocracy's power, and to its much-prized perks -- threats due to technodepreciation, and due also to the rising levels of education, technical skill, middle-working-class wealth and partial financial independence, and pro-democracy political activism that comes with industrialization -- is the plutocracy's real concern.

That plutocracy is now therefore in panic mode like never before.

They, and their Wall Street and their City of London financial "services" corporations' CEO servants, are doing everything in their power, consistent with concealing their causation of these calamities from the gullible, to collapse the global economy, to destroy global inustrialization, and to commit genocides worldwide by "stealth", where they have not yet sufficient police-state power to commit these crimes against humanity more openly.

I do not doubt that you are not a member of the plutocracy.

The plutocracy depends upon enlisting millions of people -- all non-members of the plutocracy -- to act against the interests of those millions, and to act for the contrary interests of that relatively tiny plutocracy, through that plutocracy's mastery of "ideology engineering" via the mass media that they own, etc.

That you would wish to be a member of this plutocracy -- a collection of the most depraved, most vicious criminals in all of human history, who, as stated, publicly, in their own words, and in those of their many spokes-servants, plan to murder 95% of the human race -- is a fact which I leave, without further comment, to your own conscience, or lack thereof.



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Unexplained Mysteries Politics Forum Participants,

The Equitist Advocacy Group has issued an open letter/leaflet to "Occupy Wall Street" and the Global People's Assemblies Movement, entitled "Diagnosis & Prescription".

Below is the [recently-revised] text of that open letter, as transcribed from the leaflet handed out at an "Occupy Wall Street" demonstration in which I participated.

Nice to see such a brief "Prescription" section, that is nevertheless so pregnant with so many profound social-[r]evolutionary implications, No?




The Capitals-System No Longer Works, Even to the Extent It Once Did




The Global Failure of the Present System &

The Emergence of a Successor System

DIAGNOSIS: The self-continuation of the capitals system predictably

concentrates predominant capital ownership, & therefore predominant

monetary power, & therefore predominant political power, in ever fewer


This concentration of money-power has concentrated real political

power in a handful of plutocratic, humanocidal crime-families -- power

that escapes all existing democratic-constitutional, merely-political

checks & balances -- as these plutocratic families prostitute the

executive, legislative, & judicial branches of government at all

levels to their "Big Money", & assassinate those leaders who they

cannot prostitute.

Example: The international political machine of those serial mass

murderers, the "Eugenicist"-humanocidal Rockefeller Mega-Crime Family,

which conducts their global "invisible dictatorship", in part, via

Exxon-Mobil, J. P. Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Citibank, Goldman

Sachs, the Rockefeller Foundations, the Federal Reserve, the American

Medical Association, the Baptist Church, the New York Council on

Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, etc., etc.

These ruling plutocratic families later apply their concentrated

political-economic power to attack a growing threat to that power

inherent in the later competitive capitals-system itself: that of an

accelerating technological obsolescence depreciation of their largest

capital assets.

"Techno-depreciation" destroys the capital-value of their capital plant and

equipment, & of its products, in industries they directly own [e.g.,

oil], & induces defaults on their banks' humongous loans for capital

plant & equipment to other industries' owners, whom they control, in

part, by means of such debt.

The improved products/productivity that this

"techno-depreciation" process reflects betters life/reduces life-cost

for most of humanity, but is anathema to the "1%".

Example: The advent of zero-radioactivity fusion power generators

would soon essentially zero-out the capital-value of the Rockefeller

Exxon-Mobil corporation's global plant & equipment investments, & of

their product: petroleum.

The Plutocracy's Reaction to the Above-Defined "Techno-Depreciation"

Threat to their Power:

(1.) In the "periphery" of the core capital-based countries [uS/UK/

Europe], the plutocracy moves to –

* Create the "Third World". They set up military/comprador

dictatorships throughout the not-yet-industrialized "periphery" -- in

Latin America, Asia, & Africa -- to suppress the technological

depreciation threat of lowest-wage/latest capital plant & equipment rapid

industrialization there [which "worked", until the post-WWII

industrialization-renaissance of Japan, then the recent resurgence of

China/Brazil/India. Japan's ongoing national depression, ever since

1989, via the plutocracy's "Bubble Engineering", starting in real estate,

was a "dress rehearsal" for the global asset bubble/collapse, also engineered

by the "Rocke-Nazis"/"Rothe-Nazis", & manifest since 2008].

* Impose a "Meta-Nazi" Regime there. This plutocracy imposes,

internationally, their "meta-dictatorship", based upon their

heterogeneous multiplicity of national military/local-oligarchy

servant-dictatorships in the thereby-impoverished nations of their resulting

"Third World", in Latin America, Africa & Asia.

* Propagate Genetically-Engineered, "Population Reduction" Designer

Diseases there. Example: AIDS.

(2.) In the core capital-based countries [uS/UK/Europe], the

plutocracy moves to –

* Impose an Income Tax as a new form of wages-reducing "surplus-value",

to make the working class, and the smaller, weaker capital-owners, pay

the military arms-supply & invasion/"intelligence"/secret police costs

of maintaining the "Meta-Nazi" regime in the "Third World" [Example:

U.S. 16th Constitutional Amendment, adopted in 1913].

* Impose "fiat money" central banking regimes [Example: The U.S.

"Federal Reserve", created in 1913].

* Impose "Permanent Inflation" via fiat currency central banks, to

make the working class and the small capital owners pay for the

ongoing "techno-depreciation" that the plutocratic "invisible

dictatorship" can't otherwise suppress.


http://oregonstate.e...sahr/pl1665.htm --



* Cripple / assassinate technological innovators.

Examples: Preston Tucker, John DeLorean, Philo Farnsworth, Dr. Eugene

Mallove, Dr. Robert Bussard, Steve Jobs.

* Massively fund "population reduction" ideologies/policies/

practices. Examples: Rockefeller/Nazi "Eugenics" [pre-WWII]; anti-science,

anti-technology, neo-Malthusian, pro-humanocide "people are pollution"

ideologies [today].

* Bring the "Third World" Home via plutocracy-captive government

policies of middle class impoverishmentExamples: job-theft, home-

theft, pension-theft, planned Social Security/Medicare repeal,

destruction of access to higher education, medical costs

hyperinflation [Note: It was John D. Rockefeller himself who

orchestrated the ascendancy of the American Medical Association, the

suppression of naturopathy, etc.], setting the stage to "bring home"

the "Third World" periphery-style open/visible dictatorships to the

"First World" core. Their Goal: make life increasingly impossible for

the majority, including by making life increasingly unaffordable for

the majority. Convert the E.U. nations, and the U.S., into "banana republics",

starting with Greece and Spain.

(3.) OverallEngineer a Global Depression to enable a Global

Totalitarian, Humanocidal Meta-Dictatorship. Examples:

* 1930s -- Global Great Depression I.: The Rockefeller/Morgan/

Rothschild plutocracy created the 1930s Global Great Depression via

their technology of "Capital Asset Bubble Engineering", imposed their

totalitarian, genocidal servant-dictatorships in Spain [Franco],

Portugal [salazar], Italy [Mussolini], Hungary [Horthy], Argentina

[Castillo/Peron], Japan [Hirohito/Tojo], China [Chiang Kai Shek],

Russia [stalin], and Germany [Hitler], & attempted a military coup in

the U.S. [under General Schmedly D. Butler].

Hitler's "Franken-Dictator" turn against that plutocracy, aiming to "take their place"

of global dictatorship for himself, aborted this, their first attempt

at a global "meta-Nazi" meta-dictatorship. "Second World", Stalinist/

Maoist state-capitalist totalitarian/genocidal dictatorships in Russia

and China, vying with the "Rocke-Nazis"/"Rothe-Nazis" for world

dictatorship after WWII, blocked any "Rocke-Nazi"/"Rothe-Nazi" Great

Depression 2nd try, until after 1989.

* The Present -- Global Great Depression II.: Rockefeller banks -- J.

P. Morgan Chase/Citibank/Bank of America/Goldman Sachs – concocted

fictitious capital derivatives, fraudulently foisted as "high return/

low risk" assets, aided by capital asset rating agency fraudulent

triple-A ratings of these "assets", duping other banks world-wide to

fork over their liquid actual capital to buy these mortgage-backed


These "assets'" values/returns were then collapsed,

using the usual "bubble-engineering" tech., crashing stock markets

world-wide; rendering millions of workers job-less, home-less, 401(k)-

less, & pension-less; plunging capital reserve ratios of duped buyer-

banks to insolvency levels.

Central banks & governments in US/UK/Europe responded, per plan,

transferring this private bank/corporation fictitious capital debt to taxpayers,

handing trillions of worker-taxpayer dollars to these criminal/dupe banks &

other corporations.

This converted a private debt crisis into a public, sovereign debt crisis

in the US/UK/Europe, to "justify" repeal of pensions/social safety

nets [u.S. Examples: planned Social Security/Medicare "reform"], & to

impose hyper-contractionary "austerity" against the working class,

with escalation of education & medical costs, etc., in the US, UK,

Iceland, Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy, etc.

Such "austerity" induces drastically deepened global economic collapse,

now targeted by the plutocracy for ~ 2013, via the "fiscal cliff" & the EU "debt crisis",

to impose state-capitalist, totalitarian rule, & catastrophic "population reduction",

against all working classes, once the plutocracy consolidates their global "meta-dictatorship".

Worldwide police-state, state-capitalist dictatorships, dealing out

humanocide to the working/"middle" class globally, is now the only way

that the "Rocke-Nazi"/"Rothe-Nazi" plutocrats can see to preserve their

global power against middle-class/democracy expansion & accelerating

technological progress.

The time has come for "We the people" to end the

plutocracy's power, globally, before they "end" us!

The only power that can save our lives now is our own collective power.


* International boycotts of the products & "services" of global

corporations who prostitute government policies.

* Equitarian Constitutional Reform / Equitarian Non-Violent Social

Revolution -- Constitutional establishment, via global ```populist'''

up-rising, of new, Universal Citizen Equity Rights, creating ECONOMIC

checks-&-balances, to resuscitate the existing, political-only checks-

&-balances, vitiated by concentrated economic power:

1. Citizen Externality Equity Rights – Popularly-elected Boards of

Public Directors in all localities, constraining the production of

pollution, etc., "externalities" by enterprise local operating units'

private boards of directors / management committees. Popularly-elected

Associations of Public Directors at the local, regional, national, &,

eventually, continental & global levels democratically reshape

the human geography of global human society.

2. Citizen Birthright Equity Rights – A Social Trust Fund for each

newborn Citizen, by right of birth, to help defray lifetime costs of

education, re-training, health care, housing, etc., with legislated

expenditure rules/constraints against potential "moral hazard".

3. Citizen Stewardship Equity Rights – Competing, Citizen self-

organized producers' cooperatives, rated as having both qualifying business

plans & democratic internal self-management, by a democratically-managed,

Stewardship Equity "social banks", are granted, by that qualifying "social bank",

in return for a monthly "social rent", payable to the National Office of the Custodian of

Social Property, stewardship of the plant and equipment assets needed

to launch their cooperative enterprises, & to conduct their business

plans, with two income streams for each stewardship cooperative

member: an equal share in net profits of each stewardship cooperative

for each of its members, & a job-based, skills-based competitive

salary for each of its members.

By: The Equitist Advocacy Group.

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I will speak on behalf of this entire forum when I say the following things:

1. Congratulations on your first college essay!

and more importantly:

2. TL;DR


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2. TL;DR

Ditto that. Good God.

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Dear redhen,

You wrote: "I am adverse to unhindered, exponential human population growth. It's just not feasible, and whether you agree or not, there are in fact limits to growth. Trust me, I am not part of any plutocracy (I wish) nor are any of the other environmentalists who see human overpopulation as the cause of many of earths degradations."

There is a logical flaw in this response.

To critique the plutocracy for using "population growth" as an excuse for mass murder, is not to advocate "exponential population growth" as you assume.

I'm not advocating exponential human population growth, I am bemoaning this fact.

From a current population of 6.9 billion, the United Nations and others predict that world population will peak somewhere between 10 billion and 12 billion in the next 85 years and then begin the long, inexorable process of shrinking.... The reason for these predictions is that all but a handful of countries are experiencing long-term declines in their fertility rates. All First World countries are already below the 2.1 line. And while fertility rates in many parts of the developing world are still above the 2.1 mark, their rates of decline are, in most cases, even steeper than in the First World." [Jonathan V. Last, What to Expect When No One's Expecting: America's Coming Demographic Disaster, Encounter Books [NY: 2013], p. 8.]

The world's total population is projected to increase from it's current 6 billion to 9 billion by 2054. By this date, 90 percent of the world's population will be living in underdeveloped countries [uN 1999. p3].

"Between 2005 and 2050, the populations of Afghanistan, Burundi, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Niger, Timor-Leste and Uganda are projected to increase at least threefold.” [uN WPP 2006].

United Nations Population Division (1999), The World at Six Billion

Department of Economic and Social Affairs

United Nations Secretariat

World Population Prospects (2006), The 2006 Revision

United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs

Population Division

I've read the same UN reports. I looked for the basis of their prediction that global population will level off to 10 billion but I couldn't find any, except for wishful thinking.

Anyways, you are talking about global conspiracies and secret societies so I again suggest that you take this to that specific forum if you want more responses. Just a suggestion.

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Unexplained Mysteries Politics Forum Participants,


That you presume to '''speak for the whole forum''', unelected to do so, makes me think that, afterall, you may have "what it takes" to become a [servant-]member of the plutocracy!

I do also notice the growing evidence of your problems of incomplete reading, some of the data for which includes the following --

I'm not advocating exponential human population growth, I am bemoaning this fact.

Obviously, to the literate, and to the 'logicate', I was not implying that you were advocating what you named "exponential population growth".

What you wrote implied that I was advocating "exponential population growth", simply because I had deplored genocide.

-- and the following --

I've read the same UN reports. I looked for the basis of their prediction that global population will level off to 10 billion but I couldn't find any, except for wishful thinking.

I guess, again, that you didn't search, or read, very well, or very far, or very completely. See, for example --

1. United Nations, Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Population Division, World Population Prospects: The 2010 Revision, 2011.

2. Wolfgang Lutz, Warren Sanderson, and Sergei Scherbov, "The End of World Population Growth", Nature, 412 (August 2001): 543-545.

3. United Nations, Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Population Division, World Population Prospects: The 2008 Revision, 2009.


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Br Cornelius

I suspect this is a sock puppet repeating a near identical thread started a few years ago. The format of the posts, and theme is practically identical.

You can never win against such verbose lunacy - run away.

Br Cornelius

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Unexplained Mysteries Politics Forum Participants,

As I recall from his previous posts in another thread, "Brother" Cornelius presents himself as being so committed to the plutocracy's "People Are Pollution" Eugenics ideology, and to the spreading of its poison, that he professed to regret the existence of his child, and of his wife, as contributors to "overpopulation", and implied that he would sacrfice them in the "cause" of "population reduction".

Interestingly enough, he has never offered, to my knowledge, to take the -- logical -- course of "offing" himself to reduce "overpopulation", which is implied by his professed position.

One should notice that advocates of "population reduction" never offer to "reduce" themselves -- it is always license to murder others, in the name of "The Environment" -- for example, license to murder you and your family -- that these advocates seek to acquire, in the guise of "Saving The Planet".

With regard to everything that this "Brother" advocates, I would say "Consider the source".



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Plutocracy Proudly, Publicly Proclaims Planned Planetary Population Plummeting Plague Program/Pogrom

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Plutocracy Proudly, Publicly Proclaims Planned Planetary Population Plummeting Plague Program/Pogrom

[Note: The quotes by plutocracy spokespeople, advocating, e.g., 90% plus extermination of the human race, are given in red colored text in the final section below.]

Unexplained Mysteries Politics Forum Participants,

Preface. The unified upshot of all of the earlier posts to this thread as follows: the capitalist system -- capital as predominant social relation of human society’s self-reproduction -- “lawfully” evolves a ‘‘‘humanocidal’’’ ruling class, and also produces, in embryonic forms, the social-reproductive force “raw materials”, and the social-relations of reproduction “raw materials”, for a possible transcendence of the rule of that ruling class, that could thereby also avert that class’s ‘‘‘humanocidal’’’ global agenda, and that would then ‘potentiate’ the opening of the first chapter of humanity’s first Global Renaissance” [Karl Seldon].

The political-economic “law of motion” of modern, capital-centered society -- of capital-value-dominated, human-alienated society -- is such that our global, planetary human society is converging, in this second, descendant phase of its capital-dominated stage -- for this planet, ever since about 1900C.E. -- to a global system ruled by competing, but antagonistically-cooperating globalized “individual capitals” and hybrid, national state-/private-capitalisms.

The latter will tend to be totalitarian police states, engaged in regimes of “permanent war” against “external security threats”, but, in actuality, engaged mainly in a war against their own citizens, especially against their own producing classes, on behalf of a humanocidal ruling class which “owns”, and stands behind, the state-capitalist state and its bureaucracy, as previewed in the ruling class of the Nazi state, and in other “advanced capitalist” fascist-state-capitalist states.

The ‘‘‘psychohistorically lawful’’’ -- ‘‘‘psychohistorically’’’ predictable -- objective of the predominant, most internationally-influential ruling class of this global system -- is conditioned by a context of the emergence of an ‘unprecedentedly comprehensive’ potential capability for the automation of production, and of that ruling class’s secret development of its own degenerate precursors of “the meta-human”, i.e., of human-genomic self-re-engineering, of android robotics, and of cyborg prosthetics/bionics.

Such a ruling class comes to believe that it no longer needs much of the traditional advanced capitalist working class, and that the growing impoverishment of such an increasingly unemployed working class makes that working class a growing threat to the power of that ruling class -- a growing threat of the revolutionary overthrow of that ruling class and of its power -- a threat which, thus, in the mind of that ruling class, must be eliminated at all costs.

As a result, the predictable ruling class objective is catastrophic “population reduction” of the global human population of non-ruling, producing classes, e.g., the 95% elimination of that population called for by plutocracy spokes-servant and CNN mogul Ted Turner, among [many] other lower-plutocracy servants of the “high”, core plutocracy.

The many public proclamations of their planned planetary population plummeting by both spokes-servants and principals of this ruling plutocracy are sampled and ‘comentated’ below, to provide yet further empirical evidence in support of the extraordinary global strategic hypothesis offered in this text.

Introduction. Fixed capital is both the ‘epitomeous’ form of capital-value, and, in effect, the prime focus of destruction, by the capital process itself, of capital-value, via what we have termed, in this blog, “technodepreciation” [in keeping with terminology developed by Karl Seldon].

A “law of motion” of modern, capital-centered society emerged from Karl Marx’s deep, dialectical, immanent critique of the ideology-vitiated science of capitalist “economics” -- of classical “political economy”.

His discovery of that “law” enabled him to foresee, along with so much else, and almost alone -- almost alone among the revolutionary critics of the then-emergent descendant phase of the global capitalist system, let alone among capitalist economists -- the immanent destiny of fixed capital.

His fullest description of his discovery resides in the Grundrisse manuscript, his voluminous rough draft of his critique of political economy, and, as such, a text all the more pregnant with vast insights into the origins, and the inner dynamics, of the capitals-system, and into the predictable future history of humanity.

That is, he was thereby enabled to foresee the future of the new kind of means of production that had emerged with, as native to, the capitalist system of society -- the industrial, factory machine as means of production.

This new kind if means of production is especially susceptible to massive “technodepreciation”, and is spawned by the second phase of the self-development of the capitals-system, the phase of the “real domination” of the capital-value-relation as human-social relation-of-production.

The destiny Marx foresaw for this new kind of means of production was one of what we would call, today, automation, a destiny that he -- with signal prescience -- called that of an automatic system of machineryautomatisches System der Maschinerie»]:

“As long as the means of labour remains a means of labour in the proper sense of the term, such as it is directly, historically adopted by capital and included in its realization process, it undergoes a merely formal modification [M.D.: what Marx elsewhere terms the [merely] formal domination of capital, or the formalsubsumption of labour under capital”], by appearing now as means of labour not only in regard to its material side, but also at the same time as a particular mode of the presence of capital determined by its total process -- as fixed capital.

But, once adopted into the production process of capital [M.D.: of here meaning both the production process belonging to capital, and the production process which produces [more, new] capital; more, new capital-value; more of the capital-value social-relation-of-production], the means of labour passes through different [historical -- M.D.] metamorphoses, whose culmination is the machine, or rather, an automatic system of machinery (system of machinery: the automatic one is merely its most complete, most adequate form [M.D.: i.e., the form most adequate to “the capital-relation”], and alone transforms machinery into a system), set in motion by an automaton, a moving power that moves itself; this automaton consisting of numerous mechanical and intellectual organs, so that the workers themselves are cast merely as its conscious linkages.

In the machine, and even more in machinery as an automatic system, the use value, i.e. the material quality of the means of production, is transformed into an existence adequate to fixed capital, and to capital as such; and the form in which it was [first -- M.D.] adopted into the production process of capital, the direct means of labour, is superseded by a form posited by capital itself and corresponding to it. . . .

The full development of capital, therefore, takes place -- or capital has posited the mode of production corresponding to it -- only when the means of labour has not only taken the economic form of fixed capital, but has also been suspended [M.D.: «aufheben»] in its immediate form, and when fixed capital appears as a machine within the production process, opposite labour; and the entire production process appears not as subsumed under the direct skillfulness of the worker, but rather as the technological application of science.

It is, hence, the tendency of capital to give production a scientific character; direct labour [is] reduced to a mere moment of this process.

As with the transformation of value into capital, so does it appear in the further development of capital, that it presupposes a certain given historical development of the productive forces on one side -- science, too [is] among these productive forces -- and, on the other, drives and forces them further onwards.

Thus the quantitative extent and the effectiveness (intensity) to which capital is developed as fixed capital indicate the general degree to which capital is developed as capital, as power over living labour, and to which it has conquered the production process as such [i.e., as capital -- M.D.].

Also, in the sense that it expresses the accumulation of objectified productive forces [M.D.: e.g., of scientific knowledge as materialized in human-product physical objects], and likewise of objectified labour [M.D.: of human labor-time congealed in physical product-objects, and, thus, as “time-binding” in and via such physical objects [cf. Korzybski]].

However, while capital gives itself its adequate form as use value within the production process only in the form of machinery, and other material manifestations of fixed capital, such as railways, etc. (to which we shall return later), this in no way means that this use value -- machinery as such -- is capital, or that its existence as machinery is identical with its existence as capital; any more than gold would cease to have its use value as gold if it were no longer money.

Machinery does not lose its use value as soon as it ceases to be capital.

While machinery is the most appropriate form of the use value of fixed capital, it does not at all follow that therefore subsumption under the social relation of capital is the most appropriate and ultimate social relation of production for the application of machinery.

To the degree that labour time -- the mere quantity of labour -- is posited by capital as the sole determinant element, to that degree does direct labour and its quantity disappear as the determinant principle of production -- of the creation of use values -- and is reduced both quantitatively, to a smaller proportion, and qualitatively, as an, of course, indispensable but subordinate moment, compared to general scientific labour [M.D.: i.e., compared to universal labour1], technological application of natural sciences, on the one side, and to the general productive force arising from social combination [M.D.: i.e., from cooperative labour2; the nonlinear, that is, disproportionate, amplified effect of the objectively-socialized labour, of many workers, organized by capital, versus the productivity of a similar number of workers as isolated producers][Gleiderung] in total production on the other side -- a combination which appears as a natural fruit of social labour (although it is a [M.D.: human-]historic product).”

[Karl Marx, Grundrisse, transl. & ed. by Martin Nicolaus, Penguin Books [Middlesex, U.K.: 1973], pp. 692-700, bold italic shadowed and underlined emphasis added by M.D.].

However, Marx’s theory of the “economic law of motion of modern society”, though it explicitly recognized the problematic of the phenomenon that Karl Seldon names “technodepreciation”, did not yet explicitly link it -- at least, not in the extant sources -- to the heart of that “law of motion”, to Marx’s “law of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall”.

Marx explained the “law of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall”, in the “inner law” domain [versus in the domain of the outer, external enforcement by the competition-of-capitals], as the result of a developing relative dearth of variable capital-value, because variable capital-value is the sole source of profit-providing surplus-value, and because, while both the variable capital-value and the constant capital-value components of total capital-value output tend to grow in absolute magnitude, the growth of constant capital-value tends to outstrip that of variable capital-value, as an expression of the growth of the social forces of production [e.g., of the growth of labor-productivity].

Often, Marx even linked what Seldon names “technodepreciation” [Marx uses other terms, e.g., “moral depreciation” [as opposed to “physical” depreciation, or “wear and tear” depreciation]] to the “counteracting influences” to the “the law of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall”, which raises the rate of profit ratio by lowering the value of the constant capital component of its denominator, once the “write-down” of that ‘technodepreciated’ denominator is in the past. But Marx often so linked without also noting that the “write-off” of that “write-down” -- the subtraction of the “vanished” portion of the original price/cost/value of that constant [fixed] capital from both the numerator and the denominator of that profit-ratio, or rate-of-return-on-capital ratio, typically manifests, for the accounting period in which it occurs, as a fall in the overall magnitude of that rate of profit-ratio.

Marx and Engels also foresaw the [“lawful”] convergence of national capitalisms to state-capitalisms, as part of their “economic law of motion of modern society”, a ‘foreseeing’ for which ample evidence is given by the following passage from a key text by Engels, about which Engels noted, in its preface, that he had read it in full to Marx, prior to its publication, to insure that it represented the views of both of them:

“... since 1825, when the first general crisis broke out, the whole industrial and commercial world, the production and exchange of all civilized peoples ... have been dislocated practically once in every ten years.

Trade comes to a standstill, the markets are glutted, the products lie in great masses, unsalable, ready money disappears, credit vanishes, the factories are idle, the working masses go short of the means of subsistence ... bankruptcy follows upon bankruptcy ... the stagnation lasts for years ...

In these crises, the contradiction between social production and capitalist appropriation comes to a violent explosion.

... the productive forces rebel against the mode of production, which they have outgrown.

It is the pressure of the productive forces, in their mighty upgrowth, against their character as capital, increasingly compelling the recognition of their social character, which forces the capitalist class itself more and more to treat them as social productive forces, in so far as this is possible within the framework of capitalist relations.

Both the period of industrial boom, with its unlimited credit inflation, and the crisis itself through the collapse of the great capitalist establishments, urge forward towards that form of the socialisation of huge masses of means of production which we find in various kinds of joint-stock companies.

Many of these means of production are from the outset so colossal that, like the railways, they exclude all other forms of capitalist exploitation.

At a certain stage of development even this form no longer suffices; the official representative of capitalist society, the state, is constrained to take over their management.

This necessity of conversion into state property makes itself evident first in the big institutions for communication: the postal service, telegraphs, and railways.

If the crises revealed the incapacity of the bourgeoisie any longer to control the modern productive forces, the conversion of the great organisations for production and communication into joint-stock companies and state property shows that for this purpose the bourgeoisie can be dispensed with.

All the social functions of the capitalists are now carried out by salaried employees.

The capitalist has no longer any social activity save the pocketing of revenues, the clipping of [M.D.: bond-]coupons, and gambling on the Stock Exchange, where the different capitalists fleece each other of their capital.

Just as at first the capitalist mode of production displaced the workers, so now it displaces the capitalists, relegating them, just as it did the workers, to the superfluous population, even if in the first instance not to the industrial reserve army.

But neither the conversion into joint-stock companies nor into state property deprives the productive forces of their character as capital.

In the case of joint-stock companies this is obvious.

And the modern state, too, is only the organization with which bourgeois society provides itself in order to maintain the general conditions of the capitalist mode of production against encroachments either by the workers or by individual capitalists.

The modern state, whatever its form, is an essentially capitalist machine; it is the state of the capitalists, the ideal collective body of all capitalists.

The more productive forces it takes over as its property, the more it becomes the real collective body of all the capitalists, the more citizens it exploits.

The workers remain wage-earners, proletarians.”

The capitalist relationship is not abolishedaufheben» -- M.D.]; it is rather pushed to an extreme.

[Frederick Engels, Anti-Duhring, International Publishers [New York: 1966], pp. 301-305, bold italic shadowed emphasis added by M.D.].

However much -- as stated explicitly above -- Marx and Engels predicted the “lawful” convergence of family-capitalism to joint-stock capitalism [i.e., to limited-liability corporation capitalism], and then of that ‘‘‘corporatist’’’ capitalism to state-capitalism, it is unlikely that Marx and Engels anticipated the full Orwellian horror of the anti-human viciousness of these national state-capitalisms that they predicted.

It is unlikely that they fully foresaw the totalitarian, genocidal, and, ultimately, ‘‘‘humanocidal’’’ character of those national state-capitalisms, starting, most visibly, with ‘Hitlerian’ Germany [“national socialism”], and Stalinist Russia [“socialism in one country”].

It is unlikely, for example, that Marx consciously grasped the full import of the prophetic subtext of his own words when he wrote, in volume I of Capital, in a passage intended -- in our reading of it -- to characterize what we would term the ‘ascendance phase’ of the capitals-system, and the consequences of capital-relation-based production, but which applies, also, today, in the “First World” of capital, as well as in its “Second” and “Third’ worlds, in the ‘descendance phase’ of that capitals-system, to the consequences of capital-relation-based consumption, and to capitalist non-production, including to descendance-phase capitalism-induced chronic mass unemployment.

The latter is embodied -- as a result of the ‘stealth genocide’ programs of air pollution, water pollution, the additives-pollution of the prevalent, processed ‘pseudo-foods’ and of the pharmaceutical ‘pseudo-medicines’ [including of ‘pseudo-vaccines’] -- in the ‘obesified’, ‘diabeticized’, ‘asthmaticized’, ‘cancered’, ‘auto-immunified’, ‘alzheimerized’, and/or ‘autisticized’ majority populations of today’s “First World”, “Second World”, and “Third World” alike:

“What experience shows to the capitalist generally is a constant excess of population, i.e., an excess in relation to the momentary requirements of surplus-labor-absorbing capital, although this is made up of generations of human beings stunted, short-lived, swiftly replacing each other, plucked, so to say, before maturity.

And, indeed, experience shows to the intelligent observer with what swiftness and grip the capitalist mode of production, dating, historically speaking, only from yesterday, has seized the vital power of the people by the very root -- shows how the degeneration of the industrial population is only retarded by the constant absorption of primitive and physically uncorrupted elements from the country -- show how even country laborers, in spite of fresh air and the principle of natural selection, that works so powerfully amongst them, and only permits the survival of the strongest, are already beginning to die off.

Capital that has such good reasons for denying the sufferings of the legions of workers that surround it, is in practice moved as much and as little by the sight of the coming degradation and final depopulation of the human race, as by the probable fall of the earth into the sun.”

[Karl Marx, Capital, volume I, «The Productions-process of Capitals», International Publishers Co., Inc. [NY: 1967], p. 269, bold italic shadowed emphasis added by M.D.].

In a likewise “excess of population”-related passage, this time from volume III of Capital, Marx wrote as follows:

A development of the productive forces [M.D.: E.g., a sufficiently comprehensive degree of industrial automation] which would diminish the absolute number of laborers, i.e., enable the entire nation to accomplish its total production in a shorter time-span would cause a revolution [and would thus also constitute an historical boundary, a productive force upper bound and limit, of the capitals-system; an end of the possibility of the capitals-system; of the capital social-relation-of-production as predominating social relation of social reproduction -- M.D.] because it would put the bulk of the population out of the running.

[Karl Marx, Capital, volume III, The Process of Capitalist Production as a Whole, International Publishers Co., Inc. [NY: 1967], p. 263, bold italic shadowed emphasis added by M.D.].

Of course, the capitalist ruling class would know this too, instinctively -- or even if only from the reports of “the best minds that money can buy”, to whom they would assign the task of studying Marx’s writings, and of communicating-back their ruling-class power-preservation-relevant findings.

Hence, that ruling class would “undertake” precautions against such a revolution, once such a degree of productive force development -- e.g., “a sufficiently comprehensive degree of industrial automation”, or, e.g., sufficient advancement in the R&D of ruling-class, degenerate forms of ‘the emergence of the meta-human’ -- was in readiness by them.

That is, they would prepare to “undertake” a large part of the global working class, by “population reduction”.

With regard to their prediction of the state-capitalist finality of private/competitive capitalism, and with regard to its anti-human ‘horrificity’, e.g., in the cases of the Hitler regime, the Stalin regime, and the Mao regime, a ‘horrificity’ which they apparently did not fully foresee, we can rightly plead, on Marx’s and on Engels’s behalf, as follows.

There is an inherent difficulty to envisioning, with full imaginative anticipation of their human-emotional and feeling significance, future states of human society, whose prediction is extracted, by dialectical-scientific reasoning, from the analysis of the seeds of those as-yet-unexperienced -- by the envisioner -- future states of human society, that are immanent in the present state of human society.

We can rightly make no such plea on our own behalfs, given what humanity has experienced in the years since the 1860s-1880s, e.g., since the zenith of the ascendance phase of the capitals-system; since the end of the ‘‘‘Hundred Years Peace’’’.

The mind-searing and heart-searing experiences, of, e.g., WWI, “The Great Depression”, WWII, the Hitler state-capitalist holocaust, the Stalin state-capitalist genocides, the Mao state-capitalist genocides, the depredations of the U.K.-created, and U.S.-created, state-capitalist military ‘servant-dictatorships’ throughout the “Third World”, the “Great Recession” and its state-capitalist, perpetrators’-corporate-welfare aftermath, etc., etc., ad nauseam, should have forewarned those alive today of what is to come, unless the majority of humanity intervenes to avert this process; to overthrow the degenerate capitalist ruling-class by means of political-economic-democratic global revolution.

The task of the previous posts to this thread has been to establish the Equitist prediction of our social present-to-future on the basis of the Marxian critique of the capitalist economics-ideology, and to determine both which parts of this prediction were also consciously derived and foreseen by Marx and Engels, and which parts were not.

The task of this present post is to present a sample of the proud and public proclamations and toutings of their ‘‘‘humanocidal’’’ planetary plan by the ruling capitalist plutocracy.

This plutocracy is so confident that they have reduced the non-plutocracy -- the non-ruling-class public -- to such a degree of cognitive and collective dysfunction, and of ideological befuddlement and passivity, that the ruling plutocracy risks little to nothing by such disclosures, even though they might reach the ears of the targeted public.

These quotes exude the confidence of the plutocracy that they have successfully robbed the vast majority of humanity of any cognitive capability to even comprehend the plutocracy’s plan, let alone to protest against it, let alone to revolt against it and to put an end to it.

Hypotheses on the Plutocracys Planned Planetary Population Plummeting.

Hypothesis Pl-1: The Concubine of England, Prince Philip, Wants You Dead.

In August 1988, the Deutsche Press Agentur [DPA], among other sources reported the following statement by [welfare-]“Queen’ Elizabeth concubine, primary co-recipient of the state dole in the British Isles, and leader of the ‘‘‘anti-human-ist’’’ World Wildlife Fund, “Prince” Philip:

In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.” [ http://nwoobserver.w...da-for-dummies/ ].

Well, I can only say that perhaps we must make allowances for the distorted perspective that results from and unproductive life of perpetual, lifetime, chronic unemployment. Such a life might lead its victim to view mass murder as a “contribution”.

In the transition from ‘serfism’ to ‘wage-ism’ -- from feudalism to capitalism -- along with certain hybrids, e.g., ‘aristocratized capitalists’, who bought their way to a landed title, and ‘capitalated aristocrats’, who managed to convert their fiefs into, e.g., factories, there were also some unreconstructed, “pure” ‘aristocratoids’ of the old “feodal [ig]nobility”, who managed, by hook and by crook, one might say, to make it into the new, capital-ownership-based ruling class.

They tend to show even greater degeneracy into misanthropic, mass-murderous sub-humanity than do the descendant-phase “pure” capitalist elements of today’s global plutocratic ruling class.

The global mass murder that they are planning -- and already carrying out, in stealth mode -- makes their erstwhile servant-dictator Hitler look almost like the proverbial “boy scout”.

Hypothesis Pl-2: Environmentalist SaintJacques Cousteau Wants You Dead.

The November 1991 issue of the UNESCO Courier published and interview with Nature-lover [and, by his own words, majority-of-humanity-hater] Jacques Cousteau, which his statement in support of global mass murder, as follows: “In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day.” [ http://nwoobserver.w...da-for-dummies/ ; http://curezone.com/...m.asp?i=1479057 ].

In a few cases, there are dupes of the Meta-Nazi ruling plutocracy who fall for the Meta-Nazi party People are Pollution ideology/neo-pseudo-religion, out of an illogically and misguidedly exclusive “love” for the rest of Nature, that gave birth to humanity -- a “love” for non-human Nature only.

However, in the case of the ‘Rocke-Nazi’ and ‘Rothe-Nazi’ plutocrats themselves, they don’t give a “hang” for Nature -- for non-human Nature and for human Nature alike.

They “love” only their own convenience in exploiting and raping both.

They put forward the People are Pollution ideology only to elicit acquiescence, from the world producing classes, in their progressive mass murder of more and more of producing-class humanity, starting with the stealth extermination of those with the most epidermal melanin, and ending with the extermination of those with the least, hoping thereby to avert any global solidarity among the non-ruling-class majority of humanity, that might mount a successful resistance against the Meta-Nazi’s global pogrom.

Hypothesis Pl-3 : The [Rockefeller-Owned] U. S. State Department Wants You Dead.

Thomas Ferguson, Latin American “case officer” of the U.S. State Department bureau originally known as the “Office of Population Affairs”, established in 1975 by Rockefeller arch-agent Henry “Dr. Strange Kiss” Kissinger, and later -- ‘‘‘cosmetically’’’ -- rechristened into “The U. S. State Department Bureau of Oceans, International Environmental, and Scientific [sic[k]!] Affairs” is quoted as follows: “There is a single theme behind all our work -- we must reduce population levels.

Either they [governments] do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kind of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran or in Beirut.

Population is a political problem.

Once population is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it.

The Professionals aren’t interested in lowering population for humanitarian reasons. That sounds nice. We look at resources and environmental constraints. We look at our strategic needs, and we say that this country must lower it population -- or else we will have trouble.

So steps are taken.

El Salvador is an example where our failure to lower population by simple means has created the basis for a national security crisis.

The government of El Salvador failed to use our programs to lower their population.

Now they get a civil war because of it....

There will be dislocation and food shortages....

There were just too goddamned many people....

To really reduce population, quickly, you have to pull all the males into the fighting and you have to kill significant numbers of fertile age females....

The quickest way to reduce population is through famine, like in Africa, or through disease like the Black Death....” [ http://rense.com/general2/kiss.htm ; http://curezone.com/...m.asp?i=1479057 ].

Evidently, such advocates -- and perpetrators -- of war crimes, and of other crimes against humanity, are the kinds of individuals with whom the Rockefeller’s Trilateral Commission, and their New York Council on Foreign Relations, like to “populate” the U. S. State Department, and other departments of the U. S. federal government, which the Rockefellers “own”, so as to lavish worker-taxpayers’ dollars on projects of mass murder within other nations, and, now, more than ever before, within the U. S. itself.

Hypothesis Pl-4 : The [secretly Rockefeller-funded] funders of The Georgia GuidestonesWant You Dead. In June 1979, a pseudonymous agent [or agents] of an unknown group, under the name “R. C. Christian”, hired the Elberton Granite Finishing Company to build a massive granite structure, by some referred to as “the American Stonehenge”. The first “guideline” of these “guidestones”, carved into the standing stones of this gargantuan structure in eight human languages presently widely spoken -- Arabic, Chinese, English, Hebrew, Hindi, Russian, Spanish, and Swahili -- reads, in English: “Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.” [ http://en.wikipedia....gia_Guidestones ].

This -- “highly spiritual”, “environment friendly” -- “modest proposal”, given a present human population of approximately seven billion, merely calls for the mass murder of approximately 93% of the human race -- 6.5 billion human beings.

Makes rebellious Rockefeller servant-dictators like Hitler, Stalin, and Mao look like -- what? -- rank amateurs?

We believe the monstrous Malthusian MIS-guidance carved into these stones at such great expense is just yet another little ideology-building project of The Rockefellerpest, designed, by those ultra-sociopaths, to appeal to the “spiritually” inclined.

Hypothesis Pl-5: Stanford Professor-Hypocrite Paul Ehrlich Wants You Dead To Save The Planet”, and Yet He Has Never Offered to Sacrifice Himself. Environmentalist “Saint” and genocidal maniac Dr. Paul Ehrlich equates you and your family to cancer cells: “A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people.... We must shift our efforts from the treatment of symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions.” [ http://curezone.com/...m.asp?i=1479057 ].

The logical thing for such population reduction advocates to do -- if they weren’t rotten-to-the-core closet classists and racists, that is -- would be to “practice what they preach” and off themselves and their families first, not yours.

But, curiously, it is always license to murder you and your family that they are after -- never to murder themselves and their own. They also seem to have a marked preference, a sadistic proclivity -- they might even call it a “love” -- for “brutal and heartless decisions”.

It appears that they would be miserable and despondent if they could find no excuses for such mass murderous brutality and heartlessness, which are so dear to their “hearts”.

Maybe they need a course in formal logic?

Hypothesis Pl-6: Putin State-Capitalist Dictatorship Harbinger Mikhail Gorbachev Wants You Dead. The following quote from that herald of the Rockefeller-arranged Russian branch of the Meta-Nazi’s “New Dark Age”, Mikhail Gorbachev, leaves no doubt as to who his employers are, and as to whose “party line” he adheres to: ...the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren’t enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage”. [ http://curezone.com/...m.asp?i=1479057 ]

No doubt it is Gorbachev’s “socialist” culture, and his “socialist-humanist” upbringing, that lead him to want to spare 5% of humanity, and to call for only a 90% population reduction, vis-à-vis a “tough-minded”, “entrepreneurial” capitalist like Ted Turner, who wants to murder all 95%.

Hypothesis Pl-7: Rockefeller Mass Media Servant Ted Turner Wants You Dead. CNN founder Ted Turner also lines up solidly with the Rockefeller/Eugenics “Party Line” [give or take 5%]: ...A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” [from an interview with the “pro-environment” Audubon magazine]. [ http://truth11.com/2...hinks-is-ideal/ ; http://curezone.com/...m.asp?i=1479057 ]

Does ‘Teddy-baby’ make a strange bed-fellow -- in such partly-line adherence -- to Mikhail Gorbachev? Not really.

Hypothesis Pl-8: Rockefeller Eugenics Employee Wants You Dead. Frederick Osborn, in the Galton Lecture for 1956, published in a 1956 issue of the Eugenics Review [vol. 48, Number 1], lamented the widespread post-WWII public revulsion regarding “the very word eugenics”, and proposed a new, stealth strategy, for implementing the Rockefeller-Eugenics Agenda:

The very word eugenics is in disrepute in some quarters ...

We must ask ourselves, what have we done wrong?

I think we have failed to take into account a trait which is almost universal and is very deep in human nature.

People are simply not willing to accept the idea that the genetic base on which their character was formed is inferior and should not be repeated in the next generation.

We have asked whole groups of people to accept this idea and we have asked individuals to accept it.

They have constantly refused and we have all but killed the eugenic movement ...

... they won’t accept the idea that they are in general second rate.

We must rely on other motivation ...

... it is surely possible to build a system of voluntary unconscious selection.

But the reasons advanced must be generally acceptable reasons [M.D.: Does this sound like abandoning traditional eugenicist racism and ‘class-ism’, and replacing those “rationale” with those of environmentalism? Does it sound like Global Warming, anybody? ].

Let’s stop telling anyone that they have a generally inferior genetic quality, for they will never agree ... .

[ post # 235: http://www.unexplain...c=170700&st=225 ].

Of course, the advocates of the Eugenics mass murder global program/pogrom always postulate -- implicitly or explicitly -- in such writings, without offering any proof, that they are the people such that “the genetic base on which their character was formed is far superior to the “genetic bases” of [most of] the rest of humanity, so that that rest of humanity should therefore be made extinct, by these "superiors".

No doubt, this postulate of their superiority is “self-evident”, by way of their sociopathic proclivity -- actually, theiromnipathic’ proclivity -- for global mass murder. That is, their mass-murderousness proves their superior Darwinian "fitness" to any "tough-minded" person.

Actually, they represent the very nadir of human fitness, in the entire history of the human species to-date, and they represent the greatest-ever threat to the survival of the human species entire, whether or not they are counted as part of that species -- given their utter, and "un-becoming-human", self-degeneration.

Hypothesis Pl-9: Rockefeller Intellectual Prostitute Dr. Eric Pianka Wants You Dead. Rockefeller-owned “scientist”-prostitute and humanocidal maniac Dr. Eric R. Pianka openly repeated, and flagrantly touted, the Rockefeller ‘multi-[“eu’]genocidal’ party line, in his 2006 acceptance speech for the Texas Academy of “Science” Distinguished Texas “Scientist” Award. Now, Texas is a state deeply and abjectly colonized by the Bush 'Mega-Crime' Family [the well-known, lower-plutocracy, Rockefeller-servant family, founded by Prescott Bush, arch traitor and financier of the Hitler Eugenics Regime for the Rockefellers, via the Brown Brothers Harriman investment bank, whose activities led to indictment under the WWII "Trading With The Enemy Act" after Rockefeller servant-dictator Hitler turned "Franken-fictator -- turned on the Rockefellers -- initiating WWII ], AND IT SHOWS:

Genocidal Population Reduction Programs Embraced By Academia

One such individual who embraces the notion that humans are a virus that should be wiped out en masse for the good of mother earth is Dr. Eric R. Pianka, an American biologist based at the University of Texas in Austin.

Dr Erik Pianka, the American biologist who advocated the mass genocide of 90% of the human race and was applauded by his peers.

During a speech to the Texas Academy of Science in March 2006, Pianka advocated the “need” to exterminate 90% of the worlds population through the airborne ebola virus. The reaction from scores of top scientists and professors in attendance was not one of shock or revulsion – they stood and applauded Pianka’s call for mass genocide.

Pianka’s speech was ordered to be kept off the record before it began as cameras were turned away and hundreds of students, scientists and professors sat in attendance.

Saying the public was not ready to hear the information presented, Pianka began by exclaiming, “We’re no better than bacteria!”, as he jumped into a doomsday malthusian rant about overpopulation destroying the earth.

Standing in front of a slide of human skulls, Pianka gleefully advocated airborne ebola as his preferred method of exterminating the necessary 90% of humans, choosing it over AIDS because of its faster kill period. Ebola victims suffer the most tortuous deaths imaginable as the virus kills by liquefying the internal organs. The body literally dissolves as the victim writhes in pain bleeding from every orifice.

Pianka then cited the Peak Oil fraud as another reason to initiate global genocide. “And the fossil fuels are running out,” he said, “so I think we may have to cut back to two billion, which would be about one-third as many people.”

Later, the scientist welcomed the potential devastation of the avian flu virus and spoke glowingly of China’s enforced one child policy, before zestfully commenting, We need to sterilize everybody on the Earth.”

At the end of Piankas speech the audience erupted not to a chorus of boos and hisses but to a raucous reception of applause and cheers as audience members clambered to get close to the scientist to ask him follow up questions. [ http://nwoobserver.w...da-for-dummies/ , emphases added by M.D.].

Of this incident, the Pianka Wikipedia entry states the following --

“Pianka's acceptance speech[13] for the 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist Award from the Texas Academy of Science[14] resulted in a controversy in the popular press when Forrest Mims, vice-chair of the Academy's section on environmental science, claimed in the Society for Amateur Scientists e-journal The Citizen Scientist that Pianka had “endorsed the elimination of 90 percent of the human populationthrough a disease such as an airborne strain of the Ebola virus.[15] Mims claimed that Pianka said the Earth would not survive unless its population was reduced by 90% suggesting that the planet would be better off if the human population were reduced and that a mutant strain of Ebola (which has up to a 90% mortality rate) would be the most efficient means.[16] Mims' affiliate at the Discovery Institute, William Dembski, then informed the Department of Homeland Security that Pianka's speech may have been intended to foment bioterrorism.[17] This resulted in the Federal Bureau of Investigation interviewing Pianka in Austin.[18]” [ http://en.wikipedia....iki/Eric_Pianka , emphases added by M.D. ].

"Doctor Doom, Eric Pianka, Receives Standing Ovation from Texas Academy of Science

The following is excerpted from "Meeting Doctor Doom" by Forrest Mims, Chairman of the Environmental Science Section of the Texas Academy of Science:

... I watched in amazement as a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation to a speech that enthusiastically advocated the elimination of 90 percent of Earth's population by airborne Ebola. The speech was given by Dr. Eric R. Pianka (Fig. 1), the University of Texas evolutionary ecologist and lizard expert who the Academy named the 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist.

Something curious occurred a minute before Pianka began speaking. An official of the Academy approached a video camera operator at the front of the auditorium and engaged him in animated conversation. The camera operator did not look pleased as he pointed the lens of the big camera to the ceiling and slowly walked away.

This curious incident came to mind a few minutes later when Professor Pianka began his speech by explaining that the general public is not yet ready to hear what he was about to tell us.

Because of many years of experience as a writer and editor, Pianka's strange introduction and the TV camera incident raised a red flag in my mind. Suddenly I forgot that I was a member of the Texas Academy of Science and chairman of its Environmental Science Section. Instead, I grabbed a notepad so I could take on the role of science reporter.

One of Pianka's earliest points was a condemnation of anthropocentrism, or the idea that humankind occupies a privileged position in the Universe. He told a story about how a neighbor asked him what good the lizards are that he studies. He answered, "What good are you?"

Pianka hammered his point home by exclaiming, "We're no better than bacteria!"

Pianka then began laying out his concerns about how human overpopulation is ruining the Earth. He presented a doomsday scenario in which he claimed that the sharp increase in human population since the beginning of the industrial age is devastating the planet. He warned that quick steps must be taken to restore the planet before it's too late.

Saving the Earth with Ebola

Professor Pianka said the Earth as we know it will not survive without drastic measures. Then, and without presenting any data to justify this number, he asserted that the only feasible solution to saving the Earth is to reduce the population to 10 percent of the present number.

He then showed solutions for reducing the world's population in the form of a slide depicting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. War and famine would not do, he explained. Instead, disease offered the most efficient and fastest way to kill the billions that must soon die if the population crisis is to be solved.

Pianka then displayed a slide showing rows of human skulls, one of which had red lights flashing from its eye sockets.

AIDS is not an efficient killer, he explained, because it is too slow. His favorite candidate for eliminating 90 percent of the world's population is airborne Ebola ( Ebola Reston ), because it is both highly lethal and it kills in days, instead of years. However, Professor Pianka did not mention that Ebola victims die a slow and torturous death as the virus initiates a cascade of biological calamities inside the victim that eventually liquefy the internal organs.

After praising the Ebola virus for its efficiency at killing, Pianka paused, leaned over the lectern, looked at us and carefully said, "We've got airborne 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that."

With his slide of human skulls towering on the screen behind him, Professor Pianka was deadly serious. The audience that had been applauding some of his statements now sat silent.

After a dramatic pause, Pianka returned to politics and environmentalism. But he revisited his call for mass death when he reflected on the oil situation.

"And the fossil fuels are running out," he said, "so I think we may have to cut back to two billion, which would be about one-third as many people." So the oil crisis alone may require eliminating two-third's of the world's population.

How soon must the mass dying begin if Earth is to be saved? Apparently fairly soon, for Pianka suggested he might be around when the killer disease goes to work. He was born in 1939, and his lengthy obituary appears on his web site.

When Pianka finished his remarks, the audience applauded. It wasn't merely a smattering of polite clapping that audiences diplomatically reserve for poor or boring speakers. It was a loud, vigorous and enthusiastic applause.

Questions for Dr. Doom

Then came the question and answer session, in which Professor Pianka stated that other diseases are also efficient killers.

The audience laughed when he said, "You know, the bird flu's good, too." They laughed again when he proposed, with a discernable note of glee in his voice that, "We need to sterilize everybody on the Earth."

After noting that the audience did not represent the general population, a questioner asked, "What kind of reception have you received as you have presented these ideas to other audiences that are not representative of us?"

Pianka replied, "I speak to the converted!"

Pianka responded to more questions by condemning politicians in general and Al Gore by name, because they do not address the population problem and "...because they deceive the public in every way they can to stay in power."

He spoke glowingly of the police state in China that enforces their one-child policy. He said, "Smarter people have fewer kids." ...

With this, the questioning was over. Immediately almost every scientist, professor and college student present stood to their feet and vigorously applauded the man who had enthusiastically endorsed the elimination of 90 percent of the human population. Some even cheered. Dozens then mobbed the professor at the lectern to extend greetings and ask questions. It was necessary to wait a while before I could get close enough to take some photographs (Fig. 1).

I was assigned to judge a paper in a grad student competition after the speech. On the way, three professors dismissed Pianka as a crank. While waiting to enter the competition room, a group of a dozen Lamar University students expressed outrage over the Pianka speech.

Yet five hours later, the distinguished leaders of the Texas Academy of Science presented Pianka with a plaque in recognition of his being named 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist.

When the banquet hall filled with more than 400 people responded with enthusiastic applause, I walked out in protest.

Corresponding with Dr. Doom

Recently I exchanged a number of e-mails with Pianka. I pointed out to him that one might infer his death wish was really aimed at Africans, for Ebola is found only in Central Africa. He replied that Ebola does not discriminate, kills everyone and could spread to Europe and the the Americas by a single infected airplane passenger.

In his last e-mail, Pianka wrote that I completely fail to understand his arguments. So I did a check and found verification of my interpretation of his remarks on his own web site. In a student evaluation of a 2004 course he taught, one of Professor Pianka's students wrote, "Though I agree that convervation [sic] biology is of utmost importance to the world, I do not think that preaching that 90% of the human population should die of ebola [sic] is the most effective means of encouraging conservation awareness." (Go here and scroll down to just before the Fall 2005 evaluation section near the end.)

Yet the majority of his student reviews were favorable, with one even saying, " I worship Dr. Pianka."

The 45-minute lecture before the Texas Academy of Science converted a university biology senior into a Pianka disciple, who then published a blog that seriously supports Pianka's mass death wish.

Dangerous Times

Let me now remove my reporter's hat for a moment and tell you what I think. We live in dangerous times. The national security of many countries is at risk. Science has become tainted by highly publicized cases of misconduct and fraud.

Must now we worry that a Pianka-worshipping former student might someday become a professional biologist or physician with access to the most deadly strains of viruses and bacteria? I believe that airborne Ebola is unlikely to threaten the world outside of Central Africa. But scientists have regenerated the 1918 Spanish flu virus that killed 50 million people.

There is concern that small pox might someday return. And what other terrible plagues are waiting out there in the natural world to cross the species barrier and to which scientists will one day have access?

Meanwhile, I still can't get out of my mind the pleasant spring day in Texas when a few hundred scientists of the Texas Academy of Science gave a standing ovation for a speaker who they heard advocate for the slow and torturous death of over five billion human beings. ..." [ see also http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/04/doctor_doom_eric_pianka_receiv002118.html ].

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Unexplained Mysteries Politics Forum Participants,

As to you comments, you memory fails you ... .

When I have some spare time -- and when the opportunity cost justifies that use of that spare time -- I will delve back into the thread where "The Good Brother" expressed these 'family-cidal' sentiments towards his own wife and child, and prove, by his own words, that this "Brother" is not only an advocate of global mass murder, but a person who, in the quoted passage above, expressed a falsehood.

For the time being, with regard to all advocacies by this person who apparently claims to be your "Brother", I say again: "Consider the source" -- Caveat Emptor.


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First Interview with F.E.D. Co-Founder & Discoverer of the Generalized Equity Approach to [Political-]Economic Democracy -- Dr. Karl Seldon

Unexplained Mysteries Politics Forum Participants,

I have posted below the transcript of the first public interview ever granted by Karl Seldon, originally published on 29 December 2012, the co-founder of Foundation Encyclopedia Dialectica [F.E.D.], and the discoverer, in 1996, of the first dialectical arithmetic -- also the first 'contra-Boolean algebra'; the first algebraic dialectical logic -- and of the dialectic of the dialectical arithmetics, a dialectical progression of systems of dialectical arithmetic, modellable using the algebra of the first dialectical arithmetic, and hence also the discoverer of the '''mathematics of dialectics''' entire.

Applying that first dialectical algebra to the formulation of the Marxian historical dialectic of human social relations of production 'meta-evolution', Seldon also discovered the 'Generalized Equity social relation of production' as a concrete, detailed specification of the foundational social relation of production of Marx's 'democratic communism' -- 'Political-Economic Democracy', or 'Marxian Democracy' [see pages B-24 to B-40] --

http://www.dialectic...-1, v.2_OCR.pdf




Disclosure: I am, since the 4th of July, 2012, a proud member of the organization which Karl Seldon co-founded: Foundation Encyclopedia Dialectica [F.E.D.].

The URLs by which you may access the original text of this interview transcript are the following --




This interview is a rare opportunity -- indeed, an almost unique opportunity -- to glimpse directly the self-movement of the mind of the person behind the subject-matter of this thread, and behind all of the manifold works of Foundation Encyclopedia Dialectica [F.E.D.]!



F.E.D. Interview #1 --

Terran Humanity at the Brink

First Published Interview with F.E.D. Co-Founder Karl H. Seldon [KHS]

Interviewer: Webmaster@dialectics.org [WM]

WM: Welcome, Doctor Seldon. Let me begin by, first of all, thanking you, and the F.E.D. General Council, for granting me this first-ever to-be-published interview with you. I've been waiting for this moment, with anticipation, ever since the F.E.D. General Council's first letter to this web site, dated June 5th, 2004.

KHS: You are most welcome, and also most deserving! I also know, from our many conversations over the years since that first letter, that you know that the timing of such events is a matter for the most careful psychohistorical calculation. Also, I know that you are aware that this first interview may not be able to go on for as long -- or into as much depth -- as you and I both would like, because the global situation is so utterly delicate as of this present moment, and we of F.E.D. are ethically committed do everything in our power, however minute that power may be, and whatever the risks to our persons, to help "swerve" the present situation away from the precipice of a New/Final Dark Age, and toward the take-off point for Terran humanity's first Global Renaissance.

WM: Yes, and, given our situation, I propose that we "cut to the chase", so that I will ask you for your most urgent bottom line recommendations to the world wide web public of this web site first -- jumping ahead to a question which might have otherwise been my last question, or, at least, a later question, in this interview, had our situation not been so urgent.

After that, we can see how far we can get into my "lower priority" questions.

So, my first question to you is this one: What is the most urgent message that you and the rest of the F.E.D. General Council wish to convey to the guests of this web site tonight?

KHS: The core-plutocracy-orchestrated "Fiscal Cliff"/Sequestration/Federal Government Spending Limit drama, now nearing its climax in the U.S., may be designed to provide cover for the core plutocracy to trigger a new, drastically-deeper phase of their engineered 'Global Great Depression II', a la, in their 'Global Great Depression I', their1931 Credit-Anstalt default trigger, that plunged the global financial system into the pit of 1933, and beyond.

It is of crucial importance, at this juncture, that the peoples of Europe, the U.K., and the U.S. continue to demonstrate their firm opposition to the draconian, Depression-worsening, viciously-descending spirals of the "austerity" regimes that the core plutocracy is attempting to impose, most savagely in Greece, so far, but, soon, equally, or even more savagely, elsewhere in Europe, and in the U.K., and in the U.S. as well -- and, of course, also in China, India, Brazil, and Russia, etc., through the catastrophic contraction of global trade entailed by the collapse of effective demand in the E.U./U.K./U.S. -- if that core plutocracy are not frightened into putting the brakes on their present time-table, precisely by such popular resistance.

If the core plutocracy is running a similar time-table to that they ran for their 'Global Great Depression I', then 2013 corresponds to 1934, so that they have already been forestalled, since 2010, if it corresponds to 1931, from "pulling the trigger" for the deeper phase of their 'Global Great Depression II', by the beginnings of a popular "catching on" to their machinations, as expressed by the massive anti-plutocracy demonstrations in Europe, and, to a lesser extent, in the U.K./U.S., the latter being the very home turfs of the ruling, "Eugenics" faction of the core plutocracy.

It is equally crucial, however, that these popular demonstrations avoid the initiation of violence.

Nonviolence is a key to the effectiveness of efforts for social betterment, because violence corrupts its initiators, converting them, even if their violence is "successful" in overthrowing the violent tyranny that they had opposed, into but the new incumbents of the very evil that they had intended to overthrow -- reinstating that evil through them, as them -- and thus resulting, for them, and for humanity as a whole, in a defeat which could not be more complete.

Of course, the agents of the core plutocracy will initiate violence, against peaceful demonstrators, and will attempt to provoke a violent reaction from such demonstrators.

Such provocations provide opportunities for these agencies of the core plutocracy to apply their crippling and maiming "technologies", and their "population reduction" methods -- and to "justify" martial law, etc., etc., a la the core plutocracy’s Syrian erstwhile 'servant-dictator'.

Given all of this, we recommend immediate -- and increasing -- recourse to methods of effective protest that do not require citizens to expose themselves to maiming, mayhem, and murder, on the public streets, by the core plutocracy's proto-police-state apparatuses.

Massive global boycotts of the products and "services" of core-plutocracy-owned mega-corporations can still exercise tremendous leverage over the core plutocracy, hitting them where they "live", wallowing in filthy lucre.

In our opinion, such boycotts should target those mega-corporations that are prostituting the executive, the legislative, and the judicial branches of national governments, across the Northern temperate zone, to impose the core plutocracy’s eugenics solution’, in particular, by means of ‘stealth genocide’, including via draconian "austerity", via their global, pseudo-food’-induced obesity/diabetes epidemic, and via naked aggression -- variously-excused military assaults upon, invasions of, and occupations of other countries -- countries that have not attacked the U.S./U.K..

Some main objectives of these invasions is ‘stealth genocide’ via “collateral damage” -- ultra-high levels of “accidental” civilian casualties -- and to recruit more revenge-seeking enemies of the U.S. among the survivors [e.g., with the rate of rape committed by U. S. soldiers against their female comrades-in-arms being so high, just imagine the rate of rape against the occupied civilian population], to help “justify” keeping the military-industrial complex budget “booming” -- as well as to achieve some ‘stealth genocide’ also against the young, plutocracy-impoverished citizens of the U.S., who the plutocracy has made sure will have few job options other than those in the military, and who, thus, populate the U.S. “volunteer” army -- e.g., via suicides, e.g., due to PTSD induced by witnessing, and by being forced to participate in, war crimes, and other crimes against humanity -- rapes, tortures, mass murders, etc., etc. -- of the occupied civilian populations.

These are all only particular instances of the plutocracy’s general “divide & rule” method, e.g., inducing people that the plutocracy has impoverished in one part of the world to kill other people that it has impoverished in another.

The value that the plutocracy truly places upon U.S. volunteer soldiers can be inferred by how immediately these former soldiers are discarded, denied any help, denied their Veterans Administration medical care rights, etc., once they return from the occupied territories.

Hypothesis: Boycott targets should include the major oil companies, the largest financial corporations, the [pseudo-]food’ companies [i.e., ‘diabetes, heart disease, stroke, kidney disease, cancer, auto-immune disease, and Alzheimersdisease producers/inducers], [the ‘pseudo-medicines] pharmaceutical drug companies ['lethal side-effects-cascades producers/inducers'], mass media corporations [‘ideology-inducers/reproducers’], etc.

[it is our theory that the rank and file levels, and even senior executive levels, of these mega-corporations are typically not privy to the “eugenics”/‘stealth genocide’ intent of their corporate operations and products, being motivated mainly by the amplified profits attendant thereupon. That is, nutrition-emptied and/or toxic, processed ‘pseudo-foods’ that generate disease-inducing addictive binge consumption, and pharmaceutical drugs that induce cascades of dangerous, potentially lethal side-effects, requiring yet further pharmaceutical drugs to mitigate those side effects -- further drugs each of which has its own dangerous side-effects, thus requiring further such “medication”, etc. -- can, indeed, drive huge profits, but these are profits upon the contraction, not upon the expansion, of human social reproduction. It is, we believe, the few but highly influential controllers of these corporations, at the [interlocking] Boards of Directors levels, banker levels, and beyond, who consciously prosecute the “eugenics”/‘stealth genocide’ agenda. But these “agents of influence” of the core plutocracy must promote their ‘stealth genocide’ operations under the cover of profitability -- and these operations must in fact deliver mega-profits -- to keep their corporate-executive underlings in line, and to keep those underlings able to keep their underlings in line, ..., i.e., all of them in effective, if unconscious, alignment with the core plutocracy’s ‘‘‘eugenocidal’’’ plan.]

Such mass boycotts would tell the core plutocrats that the public is becoming aware of the plutocracy's global war on humanity, and is beginning to fight back against that "population reduction" strategy, including against the ‘stealth genocide’ producers referenced above, with effective non-violent weapons.

If the people of Europe and of North America do not give such evidence of their awakening to the plutocracy's war upon them, and upon the rest of humanity, then the core plutocracy will be encouraged to accelerate their tightening of the nooses that they have placed around the necks of the rest of us, worldwide.

If your site guests here wish more in-depth background about this global situation, I recommend that they study the serialization, by F.E.D.’s Miguel Detonacciones, of [his own re-written version of] the Equitist Advocacy group’s manifesto entitled "Malady and Remedy", via the following URLs --









WM: It sounds as if you, and Miguel, and the Equitist Advocacy group, are all alleging a multi-genocidal conspiracy by what you term “the core plutocracy” -- is that correct?

KHS: That, yes we are.

But not simply that.

We are not asserting that the conspiracy of the core plutocracy is the final cause of what is now unfolding in Terran human history.

It is but a secondary cause, one which is itself caused by a far deeper cause.

Now, of course, the “core plutocracy” is the present “ruling faction” of the present, global “ruling class”, and a ruling class is, by fact, and by definition, always a conspiracy against the interests of the rest of the society that it rules, for the perceived differential benefit of itself, at the expense of all others.

But the ‘humanocidal mania’ of the present core plutocracy is a consequence of the unintended “laws” of a total human social practice that is based upon humanity valuing economic “value” -- monetary “value”, capital-“value”, profitability-“value”, and the social power, and the “perks”, that the ownership of this “value” brings with it -- above all else.

The ‘humanocidal mania’ of the core plutocracy, since ~1900, is the predictable response, by human Nature, especially by the Nature of the core plutocracy, to the prospect of their massive loss of social power, due to their prospective loss of “value” -- due to the prospective loss of the profit-“value”, and, therefore, of the power-“value”, of the core capital-“value” that they own, due to ‘technodepreciation’-driven loss, or fall, of their rate of profit on their ‘techno-obsolescent’ fixed-capital-“value” -- especially on that of their petroleum “value”, in the face of the increasingly irrepressible advent of fusion power and of other ‘oil-obsoleting’ scientific and technological innovations.

Look what a mere pipsqueak ‘servant-dictator’ like al-Assad has done, and is still doing, in response to a non-violent challenge, by his people, to his power: turning his weapons of mass destruction on their cities, on their homes, and on their bodies.

Then guess how much more viciously the ultra-dictators of the global petroleum-finance plutocracy will respond to a proximate threat to their power, such as is 'technodepreciation' in the '''descendance phase''' of the capitals-system.

The way things are, broadly speaking, is, in this sense, the only way that they could be, given the nature and process of Terran human origins, the conditions of Terran human life, and the human-genomic and human-phenomic consequences thereof, throughout all of human prehistory to-date.

Our science of psychohistory enables us to see that this entire descendant-phase ‘metafinite singularity’ of the global capitals-system, this looming ‘Meta-Darwinian Planetary Selection Test’ of the Terran human phenome/human genome totality, this ultra-degeneration and ‘Meta-Darwinian ultra-unfitness’ of the contemporary ruling class, have all been, broadly speaking, essentially and broadly inevitable ever since human social productivity breached the level where exchange-value emerged from use-value, and, in actuality, ever since the human genome itself first emerged.

Likewise, this total history is now bringing, to the threshold of possibility, humanity’s power to put an end to this prehistory, for the first time ever in that prehistory.

The Foundation values the role in the world, and the heritage, of the United States of America, despite its many sins and shortcomings -- even if, broadly, inevitable ones.

We have located both of our main centers of operation on U. S. soil -- one on the Western extremity of the North American continent, at Terminious, California, and the other one on its Eastern extremity, at Stars’ End, New York.

I now ask your guests of this site, especially those who are citizens of the United States of America, to ask themselves what, today, is left of the legacy and of the heritage of liberty in the U.S.A.; what is left of the U. S. Constitution and of its Bill of Rights.

Under the recent U. S. Federal Government administrations -- administrations of the [both ‘misnomered’] “Republican” Party & “Democratic” Party alike, as if they have been working to a common plan, despite all of their dividing-&-conquering theatrics of supposedly unalloyed mutual hostility and opposition -- the U. S. Constitution/Bill of Rights has been utterly shredded, in essence, if not yet fully in practice, ‘til essentially nothing of it remains in recent “law”:

  • By the recent “eminent domain” decision by the U. S. Supreme Court, any sufficiently influential private corporation, enlisting the support of “your” municipal government, can confiscate your personal and/or your private property, e.g., your home, with but pennies on the dollar in “compensation” to you. “Eminent domain” takings of private and personal property were intended to achieve overriding public good, not merely private corporate profit, but, no more! [Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469(2005), http://www.law.corne.../04-108.ZO.html ];

  • By recent U. S. Supreme Court decision, U. S. corporations now have the “right”, as ‘virtual persons’, hence also as ‘virtual citizens’, to apply their effectively unlimited monetary wealth so as to effectively buyU.S. elections. This decision is expected to increasingly nullify the voting rights of the actual citizens of the United States, at all levels of government -- local, state, and national -- and to prostitute, to corporate special interests, an ever greater proportion of those candidates who wish to be able to win elections -- by buying more mass media mud-slinging ads than their opponents, etc. -- which requires those candidates, if they are not independently wealthy, to accept millions in corporate de facto bribery [Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 310 558(2010), http://www.law.corne...pct/cert/08-205 ];

  • By recent Congressional legislation, signed into law by President Obama, the government, by its sole order, has the “right” to imprison any U. S. citizen indefinitely -- even for the rest of their lives -- without charge(s), without trial, without conviction of any crime, by any jury of their peers, and without any habeas corpus access, or other access, to the U. S. Courts, for that “citizen”, a “citizen” thereby reduced, ipso facto, to a kind of non-citizen slave of the [‘‘‘corporatist’’’] government [ http://www.longislan...-appeals-court/];

  • By recent U. S. Dept. of “Justice” secret memo, the U. S. federal government, has the “right”, by its sole decision, to murder any U. S. citizen, without charge(s), without trial -- without conviction, by a jury of their peers, of any crime, if the government "thinks" that this citizen is an "enemy combatant" [ http://www.aclu.org/...lings-americans ].

Clearly, these new corporate and government “rights” are really wrongs, and total violations of the U. S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

These developments instantiate the horror that is heralded by our psychohistorical, technical prediction: the law of motion of descendant-phase capital-based society is a sociotaxis to totalitarian, humanocidal state-capitalism.

They come at the same time that the Wall Street ‘‘‘R.I.C.O.’’’ corporations and their criminal CEOs have stolen, from so many millions of Americans, andwithout a single Big Bank CEO prosecution, those citizens’ pensions, their 401(k)s, their life savings, their jobs, and their homes.

Moreover, these same CEOs have also absconded -- via the complicity of the many ruling class members who are also federal government appointees at the highest levels, and of their lower-level political prostitutes in the U. S. federal government -- with trillions of dollars of U. S. taxpayers funds, and also with the proceeds of trillions of dollars of new taxpayer debt, created to “bail out” those CEOs, which they then used to pay themselves even more exorbitant salaries and bonuses than they used to do before they launched their ‘Global Great Depression II, as well as to buy even more elections -- so that they have effectively robbed the Social Security Trust Fund, and the U. S. Treasury as a whole, of the funds previously promised to actually benefit majority taxpayers, and so that they can now say -- ‘‘‘we really just can’t afford the promised Social Security and Medicare benefits [that workers pay for from every paycheck], Medicaid, Head Start, Pell Grants, U. S. Federal Government Pensions to federal government workers, or any social safety net at all’’’, and so that they can continue to buy elections to put into office enough prostitute politicians to repeal these programs, and to repeal virtually every other government program that actually benefits the U.S. majority [ http://americablog.c...-necessary.html ].

The “representative-democratic” political system of the United States of America has become increasingly reduced to a system of legalized corporate bribery, to a system of intellectual and political, policy prostitution to mega-corporate Big Money, by which the major corporations write the laws of the land, and thereby also “legalize” their mounting criminality.

The houses of legislature have become houses of prostitution, together with the executive mansions and the court houses -- especially the White House and the “house” of the “corporatist” U. S. Supreme Court.

The horrific results, sampled above, are hardly surprising.

And the ruling corporate whores have far more horror still in store for you and your family.

So, we ask our U. S. citizen friends: What is left of your America?

Is this “bi-partisan” shredding of the founding contracts of the United States of America simply an accident?

Or, does it reflect the intention, the agenda, and the plan of the ruling, core plutocracy, which wields both major political parties like a limp pair of soulless marionettes?

WM: Why, then -- as you have described, in part, above -- is the human world on Earth today such a horrible place, so bad, so retrogressive?

Why do all efforts to improve it seem to end in failure, or, even worse, in even further worsening -- e.g., the recent pro-democracy revolutions across the Arab world?

KHS: The primary reason for this is that the most powerful institutionalized social force that has ever existed on Earth, in all of Earth's known human history to date -- today's global, core, petroleum-finance plutocracy -- is hell-bent on preventing, or reversing, any improvement of human life for the vast majority of humanity, and on making life worse for that vast majority, until that plutocracy has made life literally impossible for most of that majority.

They are hell-bent on "population reduction" -- to the extent of eliminating 95% of the human race [see, for example, quoted public statements to that effect from plutocracy 'spokes-servant'/CNN-founder Ted Turner, e.g.: http://truth11.com/2...hinks-is-ideal/ ].

The deeper causes, behind that primary reason, have their sources in the 'intra-duality' of the capitals-system of human-societal self-reproduction, combined with the human "power-sickness" that afflicts Terran humanity, both genomically and 'phenomically'.

As the capitals-system develops, the growth of social productivity -- "the growth of the human social forces of production" -- is expressed in both the growing physical mass of the fixed capital plant and equipment used in production, relative to the mass of labor-power also mobilized therein, and also in the increasing concentration, consolidation, and centralization of the ownership of the largest agglomerations of that fixed capital, and of the socio-economic and political power that goes with the monetary returns upon that ownership, in ever fewer hands.

Those “fewer hands” eventually become the global, core, ruling, petroleum/finance faction of the global plutocracy.

At a certain point in this development -- at the turning point from the ascendant phase to the descendant phase of the capitals-system -- further productivity-increasing innovations obsolete, hence devalue, more “sunk” fixed capital value than the incremental profit value that they add, especially for this ultra-fixed-capital-intensive core plutocratic faction.

Think what fusion power would do to the value of oil itself, and to that of the global capital infrastructure used to "produce" it -- fusion power that yields, from a gram of its fuel, energy equivalent to that from 8 tons of oil.

Those who have experienced near absolute socio-political power, and who have succumbed to the "power-sickness" that such experience typically breeds in Terran humans, will do anything in their power to hold on to that power.

No level of crimes against humanity, no amount of murder, is too much to perpetrate for the monsters that such people become, if they think that those mega-crimes will enable them to retain their socio-political-economic power.

As I mentioned earlier, erstwhile 'servant-dictator' Bashar al Assad foreshadows, on a smaller -- but now openly-visible -- scale, the "power-sickness" of the core plutocracy that we are pointing out, and the ultra-vicious actions that it breeds in them.

So, starting in the late 1800s, the plutocracy moves to crush incipient industrialization in the global periphery to the core regions of earliest capitals-system development -- e.g., the U.K., France, and the U.S. core -- suppressing those regions under military dictatorships, 'servant-dictatorships' -- "servant" to the core plutocracy, "dictator" to their own people -- thereby turning that periphery into the modern "Third World" -- since competition from the most advanced vintages of fixed capital, installed "from the git-go" in newly-industrializing regions -- and also operated by the initially cheaper labor-power located there, to boot -- would devastate the capital value and profitability of the legacy fixed capital in the old capitalist core regions, especially that owned directly by the core plutocracy, or financed by, e.g., the largest banks, also owned, by then, by the core plutocracy.

The core plutocracy likewise suppresses technological innovation within the original industrial core region, the U.S., the U.K., and Western Europe, and invests in anti-technology and anti-science ideologies, sparing only those sciences and technologies that they can harness to turn technologies of production -- "productive forces" -- into "forces of destruction"; into "destructive forces" -- e.g., into military means of mass destruction, into engineered world wars, into [“eu”]genocides -- and to transition from an ascendant-phase regime of profit predominantly on expansion of social reproduction to a descendant-phase regime, more and more profiting on their deliberately-induced contraction of social reproduction.

Of course, the core plutocracy also happily allows ‘technodepreciation’ to proceed unabated in industrial sectors in which they have limited investments or loans outstanding, and/or in which the ‘technodepreciation’-driven bankruptcies of small corporations there will allow the core plutocrats to send in their carpetbaggers to acquire those small corporations, and/or their assets, for pennies on the dollar, when they perceive advantages to their power in so doing.

E.g., they thereby eliminate components of citizen freedom, and/or consolidate their concentrated ownership and control over the economy and over the polity even further -- e.g., in the book publishing industry, and via the more recent, internet-driven ‘technodepreciation’ bankruptcies in the public post offices, in the private newspaper and magazine publishing industries, in the audio-recording publishing industry, etc.

But their suppression of industrialization in the periphery has the effect of also suppressing the "demographic transition", in most of the world, e.g., in the "Third World", and of preventing the development of industrial-productivity-based prosperity there, thus, in effect, recruiting an ever-growing population of plutocracy-impoverished people who the plutocracy fears are increasingly ripe to rise up in anger and overthrow its power, world-wide.

The core plutocracy therefore feels compelled, in order to retain its vicious, vampiric power over the rest of humanity, to resort to a global pogrom of "Eugenics" -- of "population reduction", beginning with various forms of 'stealth genocide', but intended and planned, by the core plutocracy, to escalate into a global regime of concentration/extermination-camp-based ‘‘‘humanocide’’’, once they have succeeded in imposing national state-capitalisms/totalitarian rule globally.

The catastrophic contraction of global social reproduction via the core-plutocracy-orchestrated ‘Global Great Depression I’, with its proliferation of their fascist state-capitalist ‘servant-dictatorship’ regimes throughout the planetary temperate zones, and with the Stalinist, quasi-autarkic, proto-state-capitalist “gulag regime” in Russia, was their first attempt at this.

This first attempt was defeated by the ‘Franken-dictator’ turn, against them, of their erstwhile ‘servant-dictatorship’, the Hitler Eugenics Regime that they had installed in Germany, a Regime which switched to an attempt to wrest world dictatorship away from the U.K./U.S. plutocrats, and, thereafter, by the contest for global power with the Stalinist ‘Franken-dictators’, until the 1989 fall of Stalinism across Eastern Europe.

Since then, the plutocracy has, to a considerable degree, lost control of their Third World, even while they have regained considerable control of the erstwhile Stalinist “Second World”, especially in Eastern Europe.

That is, China, India, and Brazil have been able to industrialize, and new middle/working classes are burgeoning there, with increasing numbers of their citizens receiving advanced training in advanced technology and in "high-tech" engineering.

This has induced a state of unprecedented panic in the core plutocracy.

They feel that they have only a little time left to abort this progress before accelerating technological development, rising living standards, advancing education -- and ‘technodepreciation’ -- put a final end to their global rule, and to all of their prized “perks of rule” -- to their lives of pillage, torture, rape, and mass murder.

In particular, their global efforts to suppress the invention -- hence also the inventors -- of fusion power, are, they feel, in increasing jeopardy of imminent failure.

The above, prose rendition of our psychohistorical-dialectical ideographical 'meta-model' -- a vast compression of that full psychohistory ‘meta-model’ -- brings us to the global situation we face today.

WM: What do you and the rest of the Foundation do to mitigate, among yourselves, the universal "power-sickness" that you have just identified?

KHS: We are a cloistered, secular monastic order, precisely in order to combat that "power-sickness" within each of us, and among ourselves.

The disciplines that we use to evoke, and to confront, that potential sickness within ourselves, and within our community, include the following --

  • We accept no contributions of money from non-members.

  • No Foundation publications are authored in our "real names", but only pseudonymously”, lest the pursuit of power in the form of personal fame pervert and corrupt our motivations, and the very content of our work;

  • The fruits of our research are typically offered free of any monetary charge, to every person in the global community of the world wide web, lest pursuit of power in the form of monetary wealth pervert and corrupt our motivations, and the very content of our work;

  • We advise our www public as to how they might move in socio-political and economic ways to bring about a Global Renaissance, and to avert a New/Final Dark Age, with the pledge that no member of the Foundation will ever seek, or accept, election or appointment to political power / political office, lest the pursuit of political power pervert and corrupt our motivations, and the very content of our work.

Moreover, once a trans-capitalist regime -- e.g., one of Economic Democracy, such as that defined by Prof. David Schweickart, or one of Political-Economic Democracy, such as that defined by the Equitist Advocacy group -- “comes to power” by popular election, as we fully hope and intend that it should do -- and as we work, with every resource at our disposal, to help to bring that revolution about -- we will serve and support that regime only with the greatest possible contribution that we could ever provide to it -- that of helping to expose, to criticize, to check, to balance -- to “whistle-blow” against -- all of the tendencies that this new regime may exhibit toward abusing their new-found power, and, thereby, toward self-inducing their own failure and demise, and, along with that ‘self-induced demise’, probably inducing also thereby the demise of Terran humanity as a whole.

In both of these two roles -- both that of this new regime’s “proponent” and “promoter”, and that of this new regime’s critic and “whistle-blower” -- we would be working to overcome the tendencies toward the failure/extinction of Terran humanity, in its looming ‘Meta-Darwinian Planetary Selection Test’.

This "Test" is a ‘“Natural Selection Test”’, not just of the human genome, but of the ‘‘‘complex unity’’’ of the human phenome/human genome entire.

The tendencies that we work to overcome are incarnated, most maximally, in the ‘meta-Darwinian ultra-unfitness’ of the ruling, ‘‘‘humanocidal’’’ core plutocracy, which actually pursues the anti-fitness aim of plunging the rate of human social reproduction deep into the negative domain.

The tendencies that we work to reinforce are Terran humanity’s tendencies to successfully pass this looming ‘‘‘Test’’’, thereby entering into its first Global Renaissance, founded upon a resurgent re-acceleration in the growth of the human-societal self-forces of expanding human-societal self-re-production, including in the human harnessing of the ‘pre-atomic power’ of nuclear fusion, and also, thereby, entering upon the threshold of Terran humanity’s ‘trans-planetary’, ‘meta-planetary’, and interplanetary potential higher destiny.

WM: What’s the "back story" behind Karl H. Seldon, Sophya St. Germain, and F.E.D. as a whole?

KHS: ... One moment please ... I am being called, right now, into an emergent session of the F.E.D. Special Council of Psychohistorians. We will have to now suspend this interview, for the present. Please let me thank you, once again -- and publicly, this time, Webmaster -- for all that you do for the upkeep of your crucial website, in particular, and for all that you do on behalf of the highest good of Terran humanity, in general!

WM: Thank you. Let me simply say that I stand ready to resume this interview whenever developments allow.

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Br Cornelius

Unexplained Mysteries Politics Forum Participants,

When I have some spare time -- and when the opportunity cost justifies that use of that spare time -- I will delve back into the thread where "The Good Brother" expressed these 'family-cidal' sentiments towards his own wife and child, and prove, by his own words, that this "Brother" is not only an advocate of global mass murder, but a person who, in the quoted passage above, expressed a falsehood.

For the time being, with regard to all advocacies by this person who apparently claims to be your "Brother", I say again: "Consider the source" -- Caveat Emptor.


I said, and I make this clear to avoid you slandering my name, " that I sometimes regret getting married and having children given the current state of the world".

That is not the same as saying that I would gladly kill them to achieve a better world. For you to remember my comments in the way you have shows how massively paranoid, delusional and dishonest you actually are.

Trawl through your thread as much as you like, you will not be able to find what you think I said.


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Unfortunately there is far too much material here on which to base a forum topic, the basis for a discussion needs to be clear and concise from the outset. This is something that would perhaps he better suited to a blog.


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