Wyrdlight Posted April 9, 2013 #26 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I wouldn't say that it was anywhere near a common response, or there would be no bullies left. Well, maybe not "common" but the fact still remains that this sort of thing occurs in the USA more than other nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrdlight Posted April 9, 2013 #27 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Probably because int he UK especially we are all slaves to the system and nobody even cares about it. lol Its not that we dont care I think, if im honest I think its because we generally have a far more civilised attitude towards things. We settle things either by using words or by simply getting on with it. We dont go "woe is me, im hard done by, get me a therapist, a bible and a box of 9mm rounds" We (in my experiance) either complain via the correct channels, go to our local MP or do that most British of things "Make a fuss" that is to say, mutter and be jolly cross in a sustained, low level public fashion until everyone else catches on a its sorted out. Or we go "meh, what can you do?" gloss over it and get on with life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted April 9, 2013 #28 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Well, maybe not "common" but the fact still remains that this sort of thing occurs in the USA more than other nations. Like say for instance....Nigeria ? Afghanistan ? Palestine ? Mexico ? Rwanda ? Libya ? Egypt ? Syria ? these things happen all over the world we just have a thing media sensationalism that drives these things into the MSM and they try to outcompete each other for coverage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted April 9, 2013 #29 Share Posted April 9, 2013 We (in my experiance) either complain via the correct channels, go to our local MP or do that most British of things "Make a fuss" that is to say, mutter and be jolly cross in a sustained, low level public fashion until everyone else catches on a its sorted out. Or we go "meh, what can you do?" gloss over it and get on with life. Hell maybe we should pay homage to the Queen again if its all that grand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted April 9, 2013 #30 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Its not that we dont care I think, if im honest I think its because we generally have a far more civilised attitude towards things. We settle things either by using words or by simply getting on with it. We dont go "woe is me, im hard done by, get me a therapist, a bible and a box of 9mm rounds" We (in my experiance) either complain via the correct channels, go to our local MP or do that most British of things "Make a fuss" that is to say, mutter and be jolly cross in a sustained, low level public fashion until everyone else catches on a its sorted out. Or we go "meh, what can you do?" gloss over it and get on with life. Our MP's only look after themselves and their own. In the UK most people prefer to give up their freedom for safety and they sit their blaming the MP's and doing nothing about it. OK the US is similar to a degree, but they at least have more freedom than us. Damn I have to get a taxi to go to the local Archery range just cause I can't carry my crossbow there in public. I can't carry my survival knives with me if I got on a bush craft/survival weekend unless I drive or get a lift by people. (don't have a car at the moment for a few reasons) I'm the kind of person who would save innocent peoples lives with those things if I ever where to sue them on someone. I prefer int he US that some scumbag will most likely be shot instead of going to prison and having a great time. I had to save like mad to get a decent recording studio, I went without a lot of things to do it (including selling my car etc) I struggle to pay my bills, I can't always eat good food. Then I hear that on a TV program they showed this guy in prison for murder was using a really top of the range recording studio that they had installed int he prison for the prisoners to use?!!!!!!! It made my studio look pathetic. Free dental, free healthcare, free good food, free internet, free PS3, free laundry.... Damn sometimes I feel like jsut going to prison for a weekend to chill out and relax. lol Our prisons are over crowded and cost us so much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted April 9, 2013 #31 Share Posted April 9, 2013 every one of those kids was prescribed medications that indicate that type of behavior as a side effect. So thats a mental health issue at the minimum. But yeah dont know what the prescribing practices are in other places but the term handing them out like candy is used here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YAQnOjwfllQ I believe many of the drugs that are commonly prescribed here, are banned in the UK. Just sayin… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted April 9, 2013 #32 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Yeah... I think its a mindset thing, many Americans I have met/spoken too have a very inward looking "fortress" style attitude. "Its MY home" "Its MY land" "These are MY rights" "Its MY space" "Its MY opinion" All of the above are often framed in very... agressive almost militant terms the like of which I cant recall finding in people from other places in the world I have spoken too. And instead of having a chat about it, or asking some polite questions it seems the go-to response for any percived infringement upon the above is a violent one. I dont really know why. I can see what you are saying,as another has already stated the reason for this is our freedoms are being taken away faster and faster everyday.My problem with others opinions from around the world is that as soon as an american tries to simply state their reasoning behind their opinions others start saying stupidity,ignorance,arrogance, and uncultured.I can have a reasonable debate with anyone but as soon as the pompous start their rants the gloves come off.Not talking about you personally but surely you have seen some of these that i speak of. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrdlight Posted April 9, 2013 #33 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Like say for instance....Nigeria ? Afghanistan ? Palestine ? Mexico ? Rwanda ? Libya ? Egypt ? Syria ? these things happen all over the world we just have a thing media sensationalism that drives these things into the MSM and they try to outcompete each other for coverage. So your comparing (in order). A young, developing oil-state rife with corruption, a semi-functioning nation in the middle of a sustained war, a semi-state that has existed in a state of non-stop warfare and terroriest attacks for decades, a state currently overun with drug-cartel related crime to such a degree its virtually at war, several dictatorships/failed states rife with corruption, inequality and riven by social and ethnic/religious upheaval and violence. To a stable democracy with a functioning economy, massive military power and a place at the forefront of the global economic and politcal stage? Come again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted April 9, 2013 #34 Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) Yeah... I think its a mindset thing, many Americans I have met/spoken too have a very inward looking "fortress" style attitude. "Its MY home" "Its MY land" "These are MY rights" "Its MY space" "Its MY opinion" All of the above are often framed in very... agressive almost militant terms the like of which I cant recall finding in people from other places in the world I have spoken too. And instead of having a chat about it, or asking some polite questions it seems the go-to response for any percived infringement upon the above is a violent one. I dont really know why. ummmm...ridiculous. Maybe when the Americans you talk to are all on TV or a movie screen that's the response..."Feel lucky punk...well, do you" not real. That being said if I think you're infringing on my rights, my property, my space.....I will hurt you! Edited April 9, 2013 by OverSword 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted April 9, 2013 #35 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Socialist is Fascist? My main point, is that the go-to response is one of irrational anger. By way of example. In the USA if a child/young adult/adult is feeling isolated and bullied etc etc a fairly "common" response appears to be "Ill show em! Ill show em all! will make them all pay!" Some of them then go and grab an m16, wander onto campus and mow down a dozen or so people, most of whom would have likely never met the offender. Its not a rational response, it simply does not really happen in other countries. Even if you feel your "rights" are being infringed upon, the rational response is not mass slaughter. All Americans who have ever killed or know someone who has killed a bunch of people at school raise your hand......Nobody? That's what I thought. I'll tell yo what wyrdlght, your country is about the size of one of our smaller states. When you live in a bigger country like the USA, China, or India, this type of thing happens because there is just that many more people. You can't look at one European country and compare that to the USA, you have to look at the whole of Europe. Does this ever happen in Europe? I don't know, lets ask google:Mass shootings in Europe The shootings in the eastern Belgian city of Liege and Florence, Italy, on Tuesday have several precedents over the past 10 years in Europe: - September 27, 2001 - SWITZERLAND A man bursts into the local assembly in the central Swiss town of Zug and opens fire, killing 14 members of parliament and local government then turning the gun on himself. - March 27, 2002 - FRANCE Eight local councillors are killed and 19 injured when a man opens fire on members of the municipal council of Nanterre, outside Paris. He kills himself the next day while in police custody. - April 26, 2002 - GERMANY Sixteen people, including 12 teachers and two students, are gunned down at a school in Erfurt in eastern Germany by a 19-year-old former student, apparently in revenge for having been expelled, who then killed himself. - November 7, 2007 - FINLAND An 18-year-old goes on a shooting rampage in a school in the southern Finnish town of Tuusula, killing eight people before shooting himself. - September 23, 2008 - FINLAND Eleven people, including the 22-year-old gunman, die in a massacre at a training school at Kauhajoki, Finland. - March 11, 2009 - GERMANY Nine pupils, three teachers and three passers-by are killed in a school shooting at Winnenden in southern Germany by a former pupil who then kills himself. - June 2, 2010 - ENGLAND Twelve people are killed when a 52-year-old taxi driver goes on a shooting spree in the English region of Cumbria, before killing himself. - April 9, 2011 - THE NETHERLANDS A gunman opens fire in a packed mall in the Netherlands, killing six people before shooting himself dead. - July 22, 2011- NORWAY Wow, what do you know, other people outside of America are violent too. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunn Posted April 9, 2013 #36 Share Posted April 9, 2013 What I dont really get, is the disturbing frequency of these rampage style crimes. No other nation that I can think of has them to such a degree, Canada, UK, France, Germany, in fact all of Europe. The arguement that not all the nations have guns is meaningless, many of the above nations have public-acess firearms, any anyways, this rampage was with a blade. So why is it that this seems to happen in the USA more than anywhere else? It must be some kind of cultural thing, its almost akin to some form of socio-cultural sickness. Yeah... I think its a mindset thing, many Americans I have met/spoken too have a very inward looking "fortress" style attitude. "Its MY home" "Its MY land" "These are MY rights" "Its MY space" "Its MY opinion" All of the above are often framed in very... agressive almost militant terms the like of which I cant recall finding in people from other places in the world I have spoken too. And instead of having a chat about it, or asking some polite questions it seems the go-to response for any percived infringement upon the above is a violent one. I dont really know why. Well, maybe not "common" but the fact still remains that this sort of thing occurs in the USA more than other nations. I think it's because of overpopulation. Too many people, causing too many problems (heard that in a song once). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted April 9, 2013 #37 Share Posted April 9, 2013 A young, developing oil-state rife with corruption, a semi-functioning nation in the middle of a sustained war, a semi-state that has existed in a state of non-stop warfare and terroriest attacks for decades, a state currently overun with drug-cartel related crime to such a degree its virtually at war, several dictatorships/failed states rife with corruption, inequality and riven by social and ethnic/religious upheaval and violence. Yep that sounds alot like USA. To a stable democracy with a functioning economy, massive military power and a place at the forefront of the global economic and politcal stage? Not sure the worlds too bright if there following our lead on the world political stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted April 9, 2013 #38 Share Posted April 9, 2013 What's up Wyrdlight, no response? I'm waiting for you to tell me how bloodthirsty America is compared to the rest of the world. Well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted April 9, 2013 #39 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I see it this way. If it had been a gun most if not all of those people would be dead. Plus this is Texas, why did nobody have a gun to stop this guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted April 9, 2013 #40 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I see it this way. If it had been a gun most if not all of those people would be dead. Plus this is Texas, why did nobody have a gun to stop this guy. Because, contrary to popular belief, everyone is not armed to the teeth at all times. We are not afraid to walk around unarmed or to leave our doors unlocked in most areas. This is a misconception that has been fed to you by your media. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted April 9, 2013 #41 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Because, contrary to popular belief, everyone is not armed to the teeth at all times. We are not afraid to walk around unarmed or to leave our doors unlocked in most areas. This is a misconception that has been fed to you by your media. I get that but this is Texas not California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted April 9, 2013 #42 Share Posted April 9, 2013 What's up Wyrdlight, no response? I'm waiting for you to tell me how bloodthirsty America is compared to the rest of the world. Well? People complain that Americans think they are the center of the world, but if you look at news in their countries you would think we are. It's apparent, even on these boards, very few people care what goes on in other parts of the world by the number of responces in the US sections. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted April 9, 2013 #43 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I get that but this is Texas not California. Why would that matter? Do you think people don't have guns in California even with their strict gun laws? Or are the peopla in Texas supposed to be more gun happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud the mackem Posted April 9, 2013 #44 Share Posted April 9, 2013 What I dont really get, is the disturbing frequency of these rampage style crimes. No other nation that I can think of has them to such a degree, Canada, UK, France, Germany, in fact all of Europe. The arguement that not all the nations have guns is meaningless, many of the above nations have public-acess firearms, any anyways, this rampage was with a blade. So why is it that this seems to happen in the USA more than anywhere else? It must be some kind of cultural thing, its almost akin to some form of socio-cultural sickness. You are not alone,the killing spree happens regularly in Iraq, Syria , Russia and a few others, Some Criminally insane group or terrorist fanatic ,is always on the prowl, looking for innocent victims,unfortunately there is no way of stopping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted April 9, 2013 #45 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Why would that matter? Do you think people don't have guns in California even with their strict gun laws? Or are the peopla in Texas supposed to be more gun happy? Of course people have guns in Cali just not like Texas. I'm just suprised there was no one around who happend to carry that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted April 9, 2013 #46 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Why would that matter? Do you think people don't have guns in California even with their strict gun laws? Or are the peopla in Texas supposed to be more gun happy? LosAngeles, home of the drive-by. Yep, Californians are armed to the teeth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted April 9, 2013 #47 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Of course people have guns in Cali just not like Texas. I'm just suprised there was no one around who happend to carry that day. It always surprises me, considering how gun happy people think we all are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted April 9, 2013 #48 Share Posted April 9, 2013 It always surprises me, considering how gun happy people think we all are. I blaim Charelton Heston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrdlight Posted April 9, 2013 #49 Share Posted April 9, 2013 What's up Wyrdlight, no response? I'm waiting for you to tell me how bloodthirsty America is compared to the rest of the world. Well? Well, as suprising as it may seem to some, I dont spend every moment of the day sat at the pc waiting for people to comment on my comments. So if you would be so kind as to forgive my lack of an instant response. Sarcasm/off http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data 62 Mass shootings since 1982, those of the larger scale. In the USA Compared to the UK which has.... the Cumbria shooting.... Dunblain.... and a handful fo others, I cant find any data but I doubt its more than 3-5 at the max. A pretty big differance, I would be willing to bet if you combined the UK, France and Germany in the same time period the USA would still rank far higher. Deaths in USA due to homicide, most recent year. - 14,748 Homicide Deaths in some EU nations/Canada/Australia for the same year. UK - 722 France - 682 Germany - 690 Spain - 390 Norway - 29 Italy - 529 Canada - 554 Australia - 229 Total - 3,825 Stats from the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime - 2012 So.... thats most of western europe, canada and aus combined = less than a third of the number of homicides than the USA has alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted April 9, 2013 #50 Share Posted April 9, 2013 So.... thats most of western europe, canada and aus combined = less than a third of the number of homicides than the USA has alone. yea, we shoot ppl that brake into our houses, Europeans, bend over, and try not to p*** the robbers off. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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