questionmark Posted April 22, 2013 #101 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Big Bang theory has about as much evidence of existence as God. Not quite, we know with on certainty bordering probability that the universe is expanding; if it is expanding it was smaller a moment ago, and much smaller a long while ago and, given the speed of expansion, concentrated on a pinhead about 13.000 billion years ago. Given all that matter on a pinhead it had no choice but to blow up, which is a good explanation why the universe is still expanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted April 23, 2013 #102 Share Posted April 23, 2013 What came before the big bang? Where did it come from? We all agree it happened . fields of potentiality. everywhere. some people don't. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copasetic Posted April 23, 2013 #103 Share Posted April 23, 2013 So, since we obviously have the folks with all the answers here.... What came before the big bang? FAQ cosmology The standard Big Bang model is singular at the time of the Big Bang, t = 0. This means that one cannot even define time, since spacetime is singular. In some models like the chaotic or perpetual inflation favored by Linde, the Big Bang is just one of many inflating bubbles in a spacetime foam. But there is no possibility of getting information from outside our own one bubble. Thus I conclude that: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." Where did it come from? Where did what come from? Our matter? Click on my name→profile→ and follow the link that says "The Big Bang in 750 words" We all agree it happened, i'm just waiting for the smart fellas to explain why it happened and what caused it. You humans, and your causality biases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copasetic Posted April 23, 2013 #104 Share Posted April 23, 2013 The religious should take a moment and realize that the Big Bang is not only not incompatible with certain religious myths, but it is aligned with those myths to an astonishing accuracy. Or, what would the result of "let there be light" actually look like? Harte Actually the text should read "let there be light", "then darkness again for a few hundred million years", "then it can be light again after the cosmic dark ages have ended" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted April 23, 2013 #105 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Actually the text should read "let there be light", "then darkness again for a few hundred million years", "then it can be light again after the cosmic dark ages have ended" You can't expect 2nd millenium BC historians to get everything right now, can you? Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copasetic Posted April 24, 2013 #106 Share Posted April 24, 2013 You can't expect 2nd millenium BC historians to get everything right now, can you? Harte If it's divinely revealed, yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Reticulum Posted April 24, 2013 #107 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Hawking = the arrogance of mankind with a little knowledge, with so little information gleaned from a pinprick in the outposts of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted April 24, 2013 #108 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Hawking = the arrogance of mankind with a little knowledge, with so little information gleaned from a pinprick in the outposts of the universe. Actually Hawking is not nearly so arrogant as he has a right to be, and he has a sense of humor and readily pays off on bets he loses. You sound a lot more arrogant than he is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikami Posted April 24, 2013 #109 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I don't think any of us are meant to know much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted April 24, 2013 #110 Share Posted April 24, 2013 If it's divinely revealed, yeah Quod illic est qua canis est septus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapow53 Posted May 4, 2013 #111 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Look at the guy. He's stuck in a wheelchair and is completely miserable. As he sees it there is no God, so what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tritchey24 Posted May 17, 2013 #112 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I don't belive in the big bang theory, it cannot be tested, observed, or measured. And for someone to say it all happened 13.7 billion years ago is outrageous! Someone once said "An explosion in a printing shop could not produce the dictionary". It takes majesty and a divine hand. It was not by accident, nor by a ridiculous explosion haha. If that was the case, what happened before the big bang? The Big Bang theory ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says "matter cannot be created or destroyed". Those who believe in the Big Bang theory are also either unaware of, or ignore the "Second Law of Thermodynamics" which says "Everything tends towards disorder". So rather than the chaos (big bang) becoming ordered (our universe), just the opposite would be true.. And it is. Our complex universe is wearing down, and becoming more chaotic...American physicist Robert V. Gentry's research shows that rocks known as Precambrian granites were created almost instantly as a part of the creation (as recorded in Genesis 1:1) and "are not the product of the evolution of the earth." He says "the Big Bang version of primordial polonium is without any scientific basis." The way I see it is there are only 2 choices. Either someone created the earth, or the earth created itself. If you think the earth created itself, hey more power to you. One thing i do know is that IT CANNOT BE TESTED OR OBSERVED! End of story! Its a ridiculous theory! Some scientsits say there are stars that are 18-20 billion light years from us, if this is true, it contradicts the big bang theory that happened 13.7 billion years ago. It doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tritchey24 Posted May 17, 2013 #113 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I don't belive in the big bang theory, it cannot be tested, observed, or measured. And for someone to say it all happened 13.7 billion years ago is outrageous! Someone once said "An explosion in a printing shop could not produce the dictionary". It takes majesty and a divine hand. It was not by accident, nor by a ridiculous explosion haha. If that was the case, what happened before the big bang? The Big Bang theory ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says "matter cannot be created or destroyed". Those who believe in the Big Bang theory are also either unaware of, or ignore the "Second Law of Thermodynamics" which says "Everything tends towards disorder". So rather than the chaos (big bang) becoming ordered (our universe), just the opposite would be true.. And it is. Our complex universe is wearing down, and becoming more chaotic...American physicist Robert V. Gentry's research shows that rocks known as Precambrian granites were created almost instantly as a part of the creation (as recorded in Genesis 1:1) and "are not the product of the evolution of the earth." He says "the Big Bang version of primordial polonium is without any scientific basis." The way I see it is there are only 2 choices. Either someone created the earth, or the earth created itself. If you think the earth created itself, hey more power to you. One thing i do know is that IT CANNOT BE TESTED OR OBSERVED! End of story! Its a ridiculous theory! Some scientsits say there are stars that are 18-20 billion light years from us, if this is true, it contradicts the big bang theory that happened 13.7 billion years ago. It doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 17, 2013 #114 Share Posted May 17, 2013 something doesn't make sense here too .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted May 17, 2013 #115 Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) Someone once said "An explosion in a printing shop could not produce the dictionary".Why would an explosion produce a man made object??It takes majesty and a divine hand.And that requires ignorance.The Big Bang theory ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says "matter cannot be created or destroyed". Those who believe in the Big Bang theory are also either unaware of, or ignore the "Second Law of Thermodynamics" which says "Everything tends towards disorder". So rather than the chaos (big bang) becoming ordered (our universe), just the opposite would be true.. And it is. Our complex universe is wearing down, and becoming more chaotic...Actually the first law states energy can change but not be created or destroyed. The second law states "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state."http://www.emc.maric...obookener1.html Chaos theory shows that apparent chaos is not lack of order. American physicist Robert V. Gentry's researchAnd refuted with isotopic decay."As 222Rn is the precursor for 218Po, this polonium isotope is the first one to be formed in the decay process. Although the half life of 218Po is relatively short (3.05 minutes), enormous numbers of 222Rn concentrate as a dissolved element along with silica in hydrous fluids, which then migrate in response to tectonic pressures into porous sites in the mafic crustal rocks." http://www.csun.edu/...05/revised8.htm Some scientsits say there are stars that are 18-20 billion light years from us, if this is true, it contradicts the big bang theory that happened 13.7 billion years ago. It doesn't make sense. The universe is expanding, think about it. Edited May 17, 2013 by Rlyeh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted May 17, 2013 #116 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I don't belive in the big bang theory Thankfully, science doesn't care whether you believe in it or not. It doesn't make it any less right. it cannot be tested, observed, or measured Actually it can. From the expansion of the universe to the cosmic microwave background, everything we see indicates an origin such as the big bang. And for someone to say it all happened 13.7 billion years ago is outrageous! Er... why? Someone once said "An explosion in a printing shop could not produce the dictionary" It couldn't. But the big bang wasn't an explosion and the universe isn't a dictionary. It takes majesty and a divine hand. It was not by accident, nor by a ridiculous explosion haha. I wasn't an explosion. And it wasn't an accident. Maybe come up with a more informed argument? If that was the case, what happened before the big bang? We're well on our way to explaining that, but you creationist types will obviously ignore any scientific explanation, because it doesn't involve a big bearded guy who lives in the sky. The Big Bang theory ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says "matter cannot be created or destroyed". So science is right when it suits you huh? You do realise that Jesus healing the sick and turning water into wine also ignore the laws of thermodynamics? (oh, and the big bang doesn't violate any physical laws - close the creationist websites and try reading a science book) Either someone created the earth, or the earth created itself. There is no scientist on the planet who claims these are the only two options. You're making it up as you go along. Some scientsits say there are stars that are 18-20 billion light years from us, if this is true, it contradicts the big bang theory that happened 13.7 billion years ago. It doesn't make sense. Source? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 17, 2013 #117 Share Posted May 17, 2013 The Universe is of force fields and matter,something has to be behind the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted May 17, 2013 #118 Share Posted May 17, 2013 The Universe is of force fields and matter,something has to be behind the force. And that's the best argument you have? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted May 17, 2013 #119 Share Posted May 17, 2013 The Universe is of force fields and matter,something has to be behind the force. Yeah, like strings and branes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLingo Posted May 17, 2013 #120 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Everything you said is unsubstantiated and about as factually correct as Zeus ruling Mount Olympus. You need to understand this isn't the preaching forum. But Zeus did rule Mount Olypmus.. read that in a book.. and saw it in a movie.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLingo Posted May 17, 2013 #121 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Lo Lots of people who believe in karma (Buddhists, Hindus, etc.) "do good things" because they gain merit from it and superstitiously think this brings good luck. The opposite -- refraining from sin -- has the opposite karmic effect and brings bad luck and may even result in a rebirth as someone blind or crippled. Us pagans to believe in Karma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 17, 2013 #122 Share Posted May 17, 2013 A Buddhist who does good things for the karmic merit in fact thereby negates the merit. This is well understood. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 17, 2013 #123 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Actually on that topic, the "force" behind the universe is what Asians call karma and scientists call causation. If you get into the philosophy of the subject at all deeply, it is rather mysterious that events often "cause" other events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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