Ashotep Posted May 12, 2013 #1 Share Posted May 12, 2013 An illegal immigrant went on a rampage, killed one person and injured four others. Now a debate is going on about what to do about illegal immigrants http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57584050/deadly-pickaxe-rampage-ends-in-arrest-in-italy/ Illegal immigrants do cause some problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libstaK Posted May 12, 2013 #2 Share Posted May 12, 2013 (edited) I am not sure we can generalise that it is illegal immigrants that are the cause of violence and assaults. These happen regardless of origin. The fact that he is in the country illegally is merely the key to resolving the issue, convict him, have him do his time and then kick him out but don't tar all illegal immigrants as the cause of one mans madness. As to the actual problem (which is separate) of illegal immigration: Illegal immigration by it's very nature of "not being legal" is also a good reason to kick someone out - no visa should equal no licence to be there and therefore no material means or evidence with which to argue against deportation. The reality versus the above is that deportation for many illegal immigrants is also likely to result in the death of the immigrant if they are returned to their own country, either through environment (aka: famine, poverty) or political injustice. Most countries illegal immigrants escape to adhere to laws that don't allow them to be complicit in the death of another which could have been avoided by rendering assistance instead aka: they are forced to allow them to stay on humanitarian grounds. I don't think we can avoid that and be a civilized society, all people do have a right to food, shelter and clothing if those things are available to be provided. Edited May 12, 2013 by libstaK 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antilles Posted May 12, 2013 #3 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I wonder if anyone has asked Amanda Knox about her opinion on this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libstaK Posted May 12, 2013 #4 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I wonder if anyone has asked Amanda Knox about her opinion on this story. Why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted May 15, 2013 #5 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I am not sure we can generalise that it is illegal immigrants that are the cause of violence and assaults. These happen regardless of origin. The fact that he is in the country illegally is merely the key to resolving the issue, convict him, have him do his time and then kick him out but don't tar all illegal immigrants as the cause of one mans madness. As to the actual problem (which is separate) of illegal immigration: Illegal immigration by it's very nature of "not being legal" is also a good reason to kick someone out - no visa should equal no licence to be there and therefore no material means or evidence with which to argue against deportation. The reality versus the above is that deportation for many illegal immigrants is also likely to result in the death of the immigrant if they are returned to their own country, either through environment (aka: famine, poverty) or political injustice. Most countries illegal immigrants escape to adhere to laws that don't allow them to be complicit in the death of another which could have been avoided by rendering assistance instead aka: they are forced to allow them to stay on humanitarian grounds. I don't think we can avoid that and be a civilized society, all people do have a right to food, shelter and clothing if those things are available to be provided. I think you are mistaking Asylum Seekers (relatively few in numbers) who play the "Homeland Persecution" card, with Illegal, Economic Immigrants (relatively high numbers) who want to share in the wealth of developed nations without contributing a penny to it in taxes and / or, have no historical context in which their antecedents fought for the Rights and standard of living enjoyed as a reult. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickpuppy Posted May 15, 2013 #6 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali smack Posted May 18, 2013 #7 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I wonder how he got into italy in the irst place and how he got pick axe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted May 18, 2013 #8 Share Posted May 18, 2013 An illegal immigrant went on a rampage, killed one person and injured four others. Now a debate is going on about what to do about illegal immigrants http://www.cbsnews.c...rrest-in-italy/ Illegal immigrants do cause some problems. Well the obvious answer would be to have an aircraft on permanent standby to fly them back to their country of origin as soon as they are discovered. But I think i'm right in saying that there is some EU rule somewhere that forbids this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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