Putin's Final Answer = Missiles to Syria

[AlasBabylon]

Russia is more interested in bringing balance to the region, their main threat is not Israel but the Sunni states of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the like, who all side with America.

It is about the future of energy.

The future of energy is space-based solar.

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[AlasBabylon]

We won't see Russia vs America, or Russia vs Israel anytime soon.

The current satanic world order prefers to war against weak nations... like Serbia.

NATO took Kosovo from Russia's little brother, Serbia... so *apparently*... there is little hope for Assad.

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[AlasBabylon]

No global leaders are using the Bible to draft their diplomacy.

Some Christians are still interpreting current affairs through the crooked lens of biblical prophecy but by no means does the rest of the world share their antiquated views. Welcome to the 21st century. The 1800s are long gone.

The impostor Edomite-jew state called "Israel" was created based on usurped Bible prophecy, Ezekiel 37.

It really fulfilled Ezekiel 36:5. http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/36-5.htm

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Edited May 19, 2013 by AlasBabylon

[Clarakore]

The current satanic world order prefers to war against weak nations... like Serbia.

NATO took Kosovo from Russia's little brother, Serbia... so *apparently*... there is little hope for Assad.

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Well, it is true that international concerns will continue to take precedence over the fading concept of sovereignty.

One must listen to the global leaders (UN/NATO) or as in the case of Iraq, Serbia, and now Syria, will see their leaders lose power and their governments given to more complying parties.

There is only one snag in this plan, where if true it breaks down, since in the case of Iraq there is no proof the government there has been handed over to those who favor towing the global line, instead Iran seems to be influencing the government of Iraq now. Iran and not globalists have power in Iraq now.

The other narrative you introduced, that the world order is satanic, is pitifully rooted in Judeo-Christian/Abrahamic propaganda.

If you oppose globalization, there is always alter-globalization. To scream satanism is not going to counter globalism. To claim sovereignty if forever will not effectively counter it either.

To simply believe there are satanic forces is conspiracy theory. No one except those who are paranoid and deluded will see the world this way, of a fight between good and evil, that is simply dualism. Dualism is an illusion.

Many Jews believe that all good and evil come from God, they do not share dualistic views. Historians can pinpoint the exact era when traces of dualism began to be accepted within Judaism.

http://www.jewishvir...06_0_05429.html

If one wants to continue believing there are satanic forces operating in our world and controlling the internationalist efforts there is always the conspiracy theory and alternative history sections of the forum. Most will understand that the old "us vs them" narrative and "good vs evil" breaks apart when we can see the world is divided by interests, not one good side and one evil side. A few will further see that globalization offers long term stability and aligning interests so that we do not continue the destructive wars of the past.

Edited May 19, 2013 by Leave Britney alone!

[Clarakore]

Simply put, if one still believes in dualism, that there is a battle between good and evil today, and is part of a Judeo-Christian framework, then their dualistic views go back to Zoroastrianism and are not shared by the majority of Jews today.

[AlasBabylon]

The other narrative you introduced, that the world order is satanic, is pitifully rooted in Judeo-Christian/Abrahamic propaganda.

The irony is... YOU are the one influenced by mis-interpretation of the Bible.

You assume I believe as you do that the word, "satan", refers to God's evil twin.

Such duality is not in the holy scripture. The term "satan" means "adversary"...

that is all it means.

I believe this duality arose from the Old Testament conflict between Jacob and Esau...

wheat and tares... a conflict that continues today.

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Edited May 19, 2013 by AlasBabylon

[AlasBabylon]

Simply put, if one still believes in dualism, that there is a battle between good and evil today, and is part of a Judeo-Christian framework, then their dualistic views go back to Zoroastrianism and are not shared by the majority of Jews today.

Interesting you would bring up Zoroastrianism which was originally monotheistic.

Dualism came later... and arose from a similar source... from the conflict between two very different types of people...

the good followers of God and the evil followers of what the ancient Aryan Persians called "The Lie."

Jesus said those jews who did not believe in Him [ie, Edomite-jews] were offspring of a lie...

and so they were... they were offspring of Esau, not Jacob... they were not Israelites.

The Persian and Israelite versions come together in the book of Esther which was based upon an

actual event in ancient Persian history when an impostor [who pretended to be Cyrus' son...

but it was a lie] usurped the Persian throne [he was the one who stopped the rebuilding of the temple.]

In the book of Esther... this impostor is called Haman... who was an Edomite.

In the ancient Persian historic version... Purim = the massacre of the followers of the lie.

Esther = Hadassah = Atossa [Atossa = daughter of Cyrus... one of the few who knew the true identities.]

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Edited May 19, 2013 by AlasBabylon

[Clarakore]

Sounds like someone has been listening to Sherry Shriner...

[AlasBabylon]

Sounds like someone has been listening to Sherry Shriner...

I don't know who that is.

Don't assume anything about me... I am quite unique.

My information comes from personal God-led study of the Bible and history.

Edom, the historic enemy of Israel, lost a war against Israel in the 2nd century BC.

Then the Prince/High Priest [he was both] of Israel did a very stupid and evil thing...

he forced the "conversion" of Israel's enemy, Edom, and the Edomites became "jews."

Israel's Prince was punished for this evil... his family dynasty lost power to the Edomite-jew,

King Herod.

At the time of Christ, Edomite-jews had taken over the palace [Herods] and the temple

[Herod "remodeled" the temple... tearing some of it down and adding to it... just like

the "traditions of the elders" had usurped God's Law.]

The dualism in the New Testament comes from the conflict between these two different people

both called "jews"... Israelites and Edomites... the wheat and tares.

That is why in Romans 9 St Paul refers back to that ancient conflict: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

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Edited May 19, 2013 by AlasBabylon

[Mr Walker]

Too much trying to read war in the tea leaves is going on in the OP.

Russia is more interested in bringing balance to the region, their main threat is not Israel but the Sunni states of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the like, who all side with America. It is about the future of energy.

Russia and China have more deals with the Shiite states. These are remnants of the Cold War and not a reactivation of the Cold War.

In the modern world, these super states can very well negotiate and avoid any Cold War-type stand off or prolonged agitations. These little states are caught in the middle, with many Islamic divisions thrown in the mix, causing immediate conflict in Syria, for example.

We won't see Russia vs America, or Russia vs Israel anytime soon.

Those who forecast such clearly get excited by the prospect of war but the world leaders do not share such sentiments. Cooler heads will prevail when it comes to scaling out the Syrian conflict, larger powers won't be drawn in and face each other off. Turkey is trying its hardest...

NATO might only get involved if Russia pledges (secretly most likely) not to get involved and allow NATO to clean up if their energy policy and interests are respected in a post-Assad Syria.

As is, plenty of Russian workers are in Syria. If NATO were to bomb now, bombs do not know who they hit, just vast areas, so Russians would likely die. No one in America or Russia wants to fight each other, instead keep an eye on the Russian workers, if they are evacuated, then NATO bombs will come soon after. NATO is not going to strike with Russian workers on the ground.

America and Russia have their own bilateral relations in other areas, we are no longer enemies. Our interests might not perfectly align here but war is not on the horizon between the two. That also includes Israel.

it would be nice to think that, not only was everyone so logical, but that fortune would be so good to us. And perhaps thatis what will happen.

There are a number of scenarios where other states could be drawn in and thus the major nations. The bigge t risk is perhaps turkey, a member of nato and protected by that organistions treaty obligations. A major loss of civilian life even from an accidental strike in turkey would not leave the government there with many political options.

To the south Israel is watching hezbollah activity very carefully, Again it is possible (even likely) that israel lebanon and hezbollah could all become more involved in the war in syria. Syria has been the proxy ruler of lebanon for a long while now, and as its own strategic situation weakens, that WILL have an effect on the balance of power in lebanon.

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The odds seem to be growing ever worse against containing this thing.

[Tutankhaten-pasheri]

Sometimes it is difficult to know which thread about Syria to use. Well, this is as good as any. Today the large landing ships, Nikolai Filchenkov and Azov, both from Baltic Fleet, have arrived. This means there are elements of Northern, Baltic, Black Sea and Pacific fleets in the area. BUT, no Admiral Kusnetsov, Peter the Great etc, so no war.... All is said to be normal exercises, but it seems clear now that an evacuation is planned. We will see.

Edited May 20, 2013 by Tutankhaten-pasheri

[AlasBabylon]

Sometimes it is difficult to know which thread about Syria to use. Well, this is as good as any. Today the large landing ships, Nikolai Filchenkov and Azov, both from Baltic Fleet, have arrived. This means there are elements of Northern, Baltic, Black Sea and Pacific fleets in the area. BUT, no Admiral Kusnetsov, Peter the Great etc, so no war.... All is said to be normal exercises, but it seems clear now that an evacuation is planned. We will see.

I was thinking the same thing when Azov made its historic dock in Hafia

" Russia Sends Warship to Israel for First Time "

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130430/180923294.html

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Edited May 20, 2013 by AlasBabylon

[AlasBabylon]

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" Ex-Military Intelligence senior worried Iron Dome may fail against strike on Tel Aviv "

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4382019,00.html

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[+and-then]

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" Ex-Military Intelligence senior worried Iron Dome may fail against strike on Tel Aviv "

http://www.ynetnews....4382019,00.html

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That would truly be unfortunate for the Syrians and the world in general if it happens.

[AlasBabylon]

That would truly be unfortunate for the Syrians and the world in general if it happens.

If you are referring to the "Samson Option"... the first strike

had better be the final one... the only one necessary.

Putin has discussed such a concept.

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Edited May 21, 2013 by AlasBabylon

[coolguy]

Russia should not support Syria.

[AlasBabylon]

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Syrian/Israeli gunfire exchanged in disputed Golan Heights.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/article/17268634/israeli-troops-in-golan-return-fire-from-syria/

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[Clarakore]

Interesting development but no need to spin this out of control in our imaginations.

It will be contained regionally. The major powers are more responsible than ever.

This is also not the first time they have exchanged fire recently.

Syria and Israel have traded fire a number of times in recent weeks.

*snip*

There have been sporadic exchanges of fire between the two sides in recent months.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-22608489

Edited May 21, 2013 by Leave Britney alone!

[+and-then]

If you are referring to the "Samson Option"... the first strike

had better be the final one... the only one necessary.

Putin has discussed such a concept.

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Until the Dolphins became part of their defense structure he might have pulled off such an obscenity. But the capability of a few quiet subs with nuke armed cruise missiles is formidable in an age when a few guys with boxcutters can change the world.

[+and-then]

Interesting development but no need to spin this out of control in our imaginations.

It will be contained regionally. The major powers are more responsible than ever.

This is also not the first time they have exchanged fire recently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-22608489

It seems to be a slow escalation and any escalation is not good. The danger in Syria as I see it (and I can't see all that well any more) begins and ends with Putin's ego.

[Clarakore]

It seems to be a slow escalation and any escalation is not good. The danger in Syria as I see it (and I can't see all that well any more) begins and ends with Putin's ego.

That is one view. A view that is from one side alone if it only blames Putin's ego.

It would seem to me that more than one ego is involved here, better yet, let us just use the term interests instead of egos.

When different parties have different interests then we have friction and perhaps even conflict. No one party's interests is more right or better, it is easy to think that when approaching it with a bottom-up (one-sided) (us against them) view, but a top-down view takes into account all parties and seeing how they interact.

There is also no doubt some "want to see war" while others can see it is not going to happen that easy, the major parties are more responsible. Israel and Syria can have their tiffs. Russia and NATO/America will stay out of it as they have been. Making money and honoring previous weapons deals is not going to escalate the conflict and drag us all into it and begin WWIII.

On that note, some, especially Christian fundamentalists and Shiite ones too, want to see a WWIII cause it would prove their religious myths. Not all Americans or Iranians hold such views.

Too much suffering would occur. But for the major parties involved....it would cost too much to have a major war, it would risk too much. Risk to all our interests and trade will occur. That is what will mediate this situation.

WWIII scenarios are juvenile fantasies rooted in refusing to grow past Cold War or scripture-based "Gog and Magog" mentalities.

Edited May 21, 2013 by Leave Britney alone!

[AlasBabylon]

Until the Dolphins became part of their defense structure he might have pulled off such an obscenity. But the capability of a few quiet subs with nuke armed cruise missiles is formidable in an age when a few guys with boxcutters can change the world.

lol

I'm beginning to like your style

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[AlasBabylon]

It seems to be a slow escalation and any escalation is not good. The danger in Syria as I see it (and I can't see all that well any more) begins and ends with Putin's ego.

Begins and ends with Putin's alter ego, Michael.

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[AlasBabylon]

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May 21, 2013

IDF chief issues stern warning to Assad over rapidly heating border

" Damascus will ‘bear consequences’ of further gunfire, says Gantz, after cross-border shooting;

tensions ‘several times more explosive than they were this morning,’ says top Israeli analyst "

http://www.timesofisrael.com/gantz-issues-stern-warning-to-assad-over-rapidly-heating-border/

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