Visions, Insight, Pre&Post Cognition, Feeling

[spacelizard667]

I will agree that ego is an important part of the self, and it also defines intent. What good is anybody's philosophy, theory, folk belief, or their religion if it does not empower that individual ?

If it doesn't then it is time to move on and look further for the answers. For example: people have been taught they need to seek salvation per se because of original sin. I am not a huge fan of this very dehumanizing religious belief that there is first of all an original sin that we're born with that taints and targets women (and of course men too, by birth). We can all live without this unless you want to acknowledge that this has always served the purpose for which it was contrived, to keep women under the heel of the male ego via religious authority. I don't think that men are any holier than women are and whether they are Christian, Muslim, Jews, Buddhists, or any other religion on earth.

[spacelizard667]

I have been getting a real energy boost today from my cup of witches brew since having established my crystal energy grid.

[Deleted]

in some natives believes, celts, native american, native japanese....etc it s believed everyone is born perfect, and the child is given a name by the age of 3 or 5 or 7 it varies, because the tribe or parents get to know the children and name them according to their talents or qualities. For example the name Bran means raven, because the child has the qualities of a raven ^^. Anyway what's important behind the concept is the idea that children or humans don't have to be formed or adapted, but that they are already whole and okay. It is the opposite of contemporary religions and it empowers people.

As for christian ideology I won`t say much, only that I reject it from the bottom of my heart ^^

[SpiritWriter]

Rejecting ways of thinking that immobile us -we are broken - we are unworthy - we are guilty bring wholeness to our lives. Rejecting entire ideologies "christianity as mentioned" continues the seperation of our whole human body which encourages the brokeness. Christianity is successfully for a spectrum of reasons and the forefront of those reasons is because it hits some serious truths universal truths. It is also successful because of its exclusivity and upper level standards which do seperate and perpetrate guilt, fear and in some cases hate (lower level state of conciousness). I do not reject Christian ideology at all but celebrate it and do my best to recognize where it fails and will continue to also notice where it is prosperous (in action). I think now for me the problem with christianity is that a person does not recognize "the self" compared to "the Christian self". We have to know we are blessed at all times to be empowered, not just when Christians are looking at us. The measuring stick other people use will never be accurate. God is in our hearts (and the various expressions of this oneness with the greater 'one') , is our mind and spirit if we can believe that, which is the main point of religion, yes even Christianity.

:-) sorry to get off topic just trying to get in the conversation. :-)

My point is that it is not necessary to reject entire Christianity ideology, that does not mean ascribing to it or even needing to try to understand it but knowing it is there and not trying to be completely seperate from it entirely, primarily because that would continue to support our seperations and also block any Christian idea which may turn out to be a very good one.

[Deleted]

well you are entitled to your opinion, I think Christianity as well as Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam....etc is like cancer and created by power lusting individuals.

Christianity is "successful" (whatever that means) cause they prosecuted suppressed people, through violence. The french revolution is strongly influenced by native believes and the American constitutions as well (by the first nations) ....and as soon as the power of the church got weaker people turned their back on those institutions for a reason.

And I am cautious of people who speak about an universal truth since nothing is universal or absolute.

But I guess we are getting off topic ^^

Edited May 23, 2015 by hellwyr

[SpiritWriter]

Sorry for the typos, its my phones fault really :-D

As for ego, if your working with the ego period its a good thing. Awareness in itself is key, we don't ever lose the ego but it does change over time and playing with the different concepts is wonderful exercize. How can we let others be and still be, how can we materialize our gifts without having a conduit for our fruit (ourselves as a tree model, the tree itself would be the ego, but of course we are ourselves) identity is of great importance, but hierarchy of mental importance is not... so should some parts of ego fall? Ego will change as awareness changes. I'd like my ego to be happy with itself without gloating. Id like my ego to know who it is and how it oporates and help it to detach from certain emotions and beliefs that restrict, condemn, immobile etc.. I agree ego is not a bad thing. But I also think the process of 'shedding the ego' brings forth a newer, better and stronger ego.

[Meridian O]

I’ll have my ego poached and resting on a slice of toast with a serving of baked beans.

As long as one is aware, the ego will be there...“I” am me and “I” prefer to believe in my own thing hence I send a big raspberry to Eckhart Tolle...

Yet! After all that gush I just have to admit that I don't really understand what the big deal with the ego thingy me bobs is although SpiritWriter's posts actually made some sense...So thanks Spirit.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Meridian O

[Professor T]

lol, oh, the ego debate has flared again..

2 years ago when this thread started it went down the same route because I mentioned a method of gaining insight, pre & post cognition & visions was though placing Ego aside.. Which is of course, just one of many means..

As for ego and the understanding of it, My own perceptions of Ego have certainly changed over the last 2 years, and i doubt whether my own idea of ego will ever settle on a single truth seen as we are dealing with something alive and growing as we do.. And my own mastery of my own ego is by no means complete or even anything more than a very basic level of understanding..

So here's my 10 cents worth...

Ego is the part of self that only concerns it's self with that other people think of us and what we project into the world.. Ego is also a master at controlling us, our actions, or perceptions... and Ego is very good at the art of ulterior motives.. If a person takes on the "I am" in anything, such as I am a christian or I am a Skeptic, then the Ego of all Christians or Skeptics is drawn into that person and the controlling forces of Christians or Skeptics literally controls that person.. If I am a Christian I cant properly see or understand anything that the ego of Christianity doesn't want me to see or know.. If I am a Skeptic, then the ego of Skepticism does not allow me to believe in anything immeasurable or without understanding grounded in one of the sciences.. The list of "I am's" that blind us is endless.. Hence, the placing aside of Ego to see what lay's beyond..

As for Ego, it is a powerful tool, it is often a shield that hides the inner from the dangers of the outer.. It's important... But it is also something that I believe we need to understand in our selves... Ego is like the power of perception. One must not allow Ego to control them in the same way we must never let our Perceptions to rule over our own lives.. Also, Ego is not the true self or the I am.. The real I amness and the real self lays further within.. That is why it's important to know the difference.

Placing Ego aside is nowhere near as important as understanding ones own ego or ego's in their own right..

The true essence of self is below the Ego.. the I am in being is not Ego..

[spacelizard667]

To toss in another ten cents worth: I have always thought that part of the ego was geared for competitive motivation. A person that has no ego was never good at sports, math, or literally anything else that matters. Why when there is so much philosophy devoted to telling us to shed our egos ? It's just that most other people (suppose 70 percent of the global population) are not driven to try to excel at anything, and a severe psychological crash (a real hell of a crash) is certain when they fail; thus, they never try anything. Not only not try something uncommon, something untried or unknown, but not try anything that requires a real effort to successfully complete at all.

[Meridian O]

The above description sounds like me…Not got much interest in anything although I know that there’s an ego lurking inside me as there’s been a few tell-tale signs like feeling the occasional embarrassment when those small person moments occur.

Yet I’ve also been guilty of accusing others of having an inflated ego…Something that I’ve thrown out like a parrot would do without actually thinking about the word itself.

Damn! You folks have given me something to think about and it’s hurting my brain...

What I now don’t understand about the ego is why it is often viewed as a negative aspect and demonised to hell…surely there’s just as much positive in an ego than there’s negative?

If I understand it correctly then the ego has a role in breaking away from the hive mind-set and helping with the evolution process.

I guess what some are suggesting here is on the lines of finding a balance?

[Deleted]

Actually the competitiveness is something which you learn. Today's society is built on that, you have to be better, achieve something otherwise you account for nothing.

Anyway, even fear or jealousy can be a good thing, because fear can save you from a situation you are not capable of handling at the moment but it also can pose as an blockade. Jealousy can tell you something about yourself, why are you envious of others which aspect of your life is unsatisfactory and that leads closer to yourself. A lot of "teachings" tell you how you should ignore "negative" feelings (sometimes they even tell that your negative feelings are responsible for the bad things which happen to you , which consequently makes you feel guilty thus seeking even more advise and help...a negative spirale), how you should keep the status quo and how you should act. They tell you that those feelings arise because you are "ego driven" and thus they tell you to put your ego aside, making you into a ghost/shell which accepts everything while they demand that you still keep your smile, but that's not how you become happy and that's not how society changes, it makes you into a sheep ^^. Also they forget that a lot of problems are on a social level affecting you and your life. I think knowing yourself and understanding yourself is the key and integrating all parts leads to a fuller life,. Also giving yourself the right of having "negative" feelings is important. I found it a lot harder to do that instead of putting my "ego" aside, but I also noticed by doing that, that life becomes more colorful and independent.

As far as i understood a lot of people use ego for what identification is. Personally I cannot really understand the concept of ego, since the consciousness is inside of my body, and various feelings and thoughts are saved there, so I don't understand how you can separate yourself from yourself. I understand that you can take on a different point of view, and watch your self from a different angle, but how do you know which part is wiser than the other?

[spacelizard667]

The ego: I think it is merely an 'in general' lable that has been crudely slapped on to a layer of consciousness by psychologists. It has nebulous values, fuels personal judgements and criticism. It's twofold and alternating as part of an individual's consciousness that is not always openly shared with others, and for some people it is only what they perceived to be gained or lost from how they interact in the manifest world. Too often it is only a reflection which they glean from [or merely misunderstand the process of] how others become opinionated about them. Many people still perceive the ego as 'sinful' but it doesn't have to be that way.

Edited June 9, 2015 by spacelizard667