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When we count the astronomical number of civilians dead in Iraq to the lower tally of coalition causalities we can see that the chickens have not even began coming home to roost.

Hopefully we never have to suffer in the way we have made others suffer.

Some scream for loyalty, but to what? Murderers?

Our loyalties belong to the women and children of the world, not the war profiteers, everyone else is in the middle and has to choose sides.

Those who side with the war makers, especially based on some perverted biblical view that our Christian societies will win, and Islamic ones will lose, or vice verse, are silly, the future of this world is secularism.

I am a Christian but do not frown when others turn away from the backward elements of the religion.

A nation who was once great only due to the suffering of others was never that great to begin with.

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If you allow soldiers to defend you and those you love then you, also are complicit.

Soldiers actually defend their buddies in their unit first and foremost.

Fighting for freedom is rubbish and most of us know this deep down. They are fighting to help rich men get richer.

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Soldiers actually defend their buddies in their unit first and foremost.

Fighting for freedom is rubbish and most of us know this deep down. They are fighting to help rich men get richer.

Steve Earle is a genius and isn't averse to ruffling a few feathers. But I doubt he would describe the murderer as showing "restraint".

Good choice, by the way.

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Soldiers actually defend their buddies in their unit first and foremost.

Fighting for freedom is rubbish and most of us know this deep down. They are fighting to help rich men get richer.

Right. Freedom is rubbish. Actually, you know what? Radical islamist fundis of all stripes agree with you.

While I do not wish on anyone to live under a Shariah regime, some nasty voice inside tells me that karma would do well to put you under a burkha.

You know, the guy with the stick heartily agrees with you too:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Taliban_beating_woman_in_public_RAWA.jpg

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Steve Earle is a genius and isn't averse to ruffling a few feathers. But I doubt he would describe the murderer as showing "restraint".

Good choice, by the way.

Restraint compared to our drones and jets that kill indiscriminately.

The fact is we are responsible for the women and children who die in other countries.

When it comes to this Muslim attacker, someone who lives here in the West, maybe the son of immigrants but sympathizes with those we victimize in war, for them to take their cause but only target a man, a soldier, when they could have targeted women and children and other civilians does show restraint.

Pray, pray we don't have a Beslan here. Even if we had twenty it would in no way compare to the amount of women and children we have killed with our policies.

Karmically, we are not in a good position. Even if one does not believe in karma but the Bible instead we will suffer sevenfold as prescribed in the good book.

But religion aside, we can build a more stable world with less suffering through education and jobs.

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Right. Freedom is rubbish. Actually, you know what? Radical islamist fundis of all stripes agree with you.

While I do not wish on anyone to live under a Shariah regime, some nasty voice inside tells me that karma would do well to put you under a burkha.

You know, the guy with the stick heartily agrees with you too:

http://upload.wikime...public_RAWA.jpg

Actually many support the women. And it is the women and men who agree with them that will change their societies. As little as 70 years ago a woman could be raped here in the West and the authorities wouldn't even take the case. Her family would disown her. We had a chance to progress, those countries will too.

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Right. Freedom is rubbish. Actually, you know what? Radical islamist fundis of all stripes agree with you.

Actually, it is unfair to single out the islamist fundis.

Freedom is rubbish?

Heck, Stalin would also agree with that. Mao Tse Tung would. Adolf Schicklgruber aka Hitler? Well, of course! Pol Pot thought the same.

And hey, here another sexy man who agrees with you too:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1302329.1364579516!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/korea-north.jpg

But of course, freedom is rubbish.

But yes, under the burkha you would get a real good experience of that freedom from freedom.

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Actually, it is unfair to single out the islamist fundis.

Freedom is rubbish?

Heck, Stalin would also agree with that. Mao Tse Tung would. Adolf Schicklgruber aka Hitler? Well, of course! Pol Pot thought the same.

And hey, here another sexy man who agrees with you too:

http://assets.nydail...korea-north.jpg

But of course, freedom is rubbish.

But yes, under the burkha you would get a real good experience of that freedom from freedom.

Never said freedom was rubbish but the idea that soldiers are fighting for freedom is. We are not importing freedom but death and debt.

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We did start this little soire. The west, and particularly Britain, has been involved in colonial wars of occupation for well over two centuries. The atrocities are two numerous to mention, the civilian death toll to large to count.

Chickens do come home to roost.

Br Cornelius

yes they certainly do...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

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Never said freedom was rubbish but the idea that soldiers are fighting for freedom is. We are not importing freedom but death and debt.

go tell that to afghan schoolgirls who get acid thrown in their face for daring to be educated.

britney you are full of empty and meaningless cliches....

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the innocent always suffer one side says.

we need to exact blood for the suffering of our innocents, says one side.

one side then kills innocents. thr orher reacts and defenders of peace say "it's soneone els's fault"

well here's me, defending the innocent by saying that that ttitude is bullsith. the fsult lsys at the feet of the d******** with the hatchet. thy's where blame stops.

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this is how thick and deluded the terrorists are:

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the suspect told her the dead man was a British soldier, adding: "I killed him because he kills Muslims over there and I am fed up that people kill Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

british forces left Iraq years ago.

shoulda left saddam and his band of national socialists in charge...

having said that tho....very few of these attacks,..in fact none are done in the name of shia islam....it's always the sunnis who export international terror....

i know shia are involved in lebanon etc but that's not really international terrorism.

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go tell that to afghan schoolgirls who get acid thrown in their face for daring to be educated.

britney you are full of empty and meaningless cliches....

The women and girls dying to go to school in Afghanistan are the real heroines who will bring change to that country long after we leave in defeat.

The emos who last year were being taken out of classrooms by grown men with the school officials permission in Iraq to be stoned to death are also the heroes and true agents of change. We also lost there.

Some of us want to see all societies progress, ours and theirs, while others just want war over there and the "us versus them mentalities" to continue here at home allowing destabilization and civilian deaths to continue.

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The women and girls dying to go to school in Afghanistan are the real heroines who will bring change to that country long after we leave in defeat.

The emos who last year were being taken out of classrooms by grown men with the school officials permission in Iraq to be stoned to death are also the heroes and true agents of change. We also lost there.

Some of us want to see all societies progress, ours and theirs, while others just want war over there and the "us versus them mentalities" to continue here at home allowing destabilization and civilian deaths to continue.

empty words...you say you want change but you're not prepared to work towards that other than watching from a distance.

'leave in defeat' - what do you class as a victory?

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Cowards hide behind masks like the EDL.

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but I suppose it's only heroes who hide behind the q'uran then?

it's all well & good trying to espouse the benefits of equality LBA, but your posts AREN'T equal. whilever you defend one side and demonise the other, you aren't coming across as fair-minded or non-judgemental, you're coming across as a hypocrite with an agenda, and whilever you do, no-one will take you seriously! BE impartial, don't just say you are.....

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What the hell is wrong with you Brits? I mean, did you see the video? Many many people around and no one went after this murdering #%*^.

Had that scum just stood around the scene in America his ass would've been apprehended or worse, no, better.

And in the world of film and TV, then I dare say they would have been a hero that would have taken on this pair of scum. But in real life, most ordinary people would hang back, and wait for another to lead the attack. Mark you, had this happened up here in Scotland, the locals may have indeed laid into this couple of ********. Remember that attempt to blow up Glasgow Airport?

However, my annoyance with this event is that we will have to go through the system and put the pair through the courts. Frankly, why bother? Literally caught redhanded, boasting about their "bravery", in front of multiple witnesses. To send out a message to any other prat that may think this sort of attack is a brilliant idea, here's what to do. Don't bother with a trial. Put the pair against a wall, shoot them. They want to live like those in lands they claim to defend, well, you take the punishment that would be given to you in such lands.

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So we have a likely British-born Muslim of African heritage, who attacks a British soldier for something happening in the Middle East that the British withdrew troops from several years ago.

Something tells me he had a mental problem long before he got the idea of radical/extremist Islam in his head.

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but I suppose it's only heroes who hide behind the q'uran then?

it's all well & good trying to espouse the benefits of equality LBA, but your posts AREN'T equal. whilever you defend one side and demonise the other, you aren't coming across as fair-minded or non-judgemental, you're coming across as a hypocrite with an agenda, and whilever you do, no-one will take you seriously! BE impartial, don't just say you are.....

The way some are defining sides (us vs them/West vs Islam) is not universally accepted.

The only side being demonized are the fascist EDL and the fundamental jihadists. Those people do not represent the West or Islam.

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So we have a likely British-born Muslim of African heritage, who attacks a British soldier for something happening in the Middle East that the British withdrew troops from several years ago.

Something tells me he had a mental problem long before he got the idea of radical/extremist Islam in his head.

clearly had mental issues...but these have been exploited and used to radicalise this pair into terrorists.

the darker skinned one was born a christian and converted to islam a few years ago....imo these semi-westernised converts are the worst of the lot...they choose islam as a political statement born out of alienation and isolation.

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The way some are defining sides (us vs them/West vs Islam) is not universally accepted.

The only side being demonized are the fascist EDL and the fundamental jihadists. Those people do not represent the West or Islam.

you keep using the phrase 'fascist EDL' - have you anything whatsoever to back this up? or just empty words like the rest of your posts?

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So we have a likely British-born Muslim of African heritage, who attacks a British soldier for something happening in the Middle East that the British withdrew troops from several years ago.

Something tells me he had a mental problem long before he got the idea of radical/extremist Islam in his head.

It's worth emphasising this point. He was talking about his land and people. From his accent, I thought he meant Brixton.

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And now we can see the "us vs them" mentality being used even more unthinkingly. I know there are some very stupid people on this forum but are people actually supporting the EDL?

Watch out for those "muslamic ray guns" LOL.

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The way some are defining sides (us vs them/West vs Islam) is not universally accepted.

The only side being demonized are the fascist EDL and the fundamental jihadists. Those people do not represent the West or Islam.

Nobody represents the West or Islam, at least not in it's entirety. They are not individual entities that are defined in one easy sweep, both have a vast make-up of opinions, ideals, and intentions. The EDL and fundamentalist jihadists are a part of both sections....to keep trying to separate things in order to give some nice neat appearance of what 'us and them' is about does absolutely nothing to try and bridge the gap in thinking between the ordinary man in the street and those with these views. Sure, some people are just mentally ill and will be drawn to any negative cause they find, but others get drawn in through other ways, which is why your method of trying to define certain people as 'trashy' or lower then you in intelligence also adds nothing to bridging the gap. For someone who likes to imply they look at the bigger picture, you do a good impression of someone who likes to only focus on certain parts that catches his eye.

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It's worth emphasising this point. He was talking about his land and people. From his accent, I thought he meant Brixton.

A man who claims to know Abedolajo from their time at Mulgrave Primary School today described him as 'a nice man with impeccable character'.

Anjem Choudary, who led Islamist group Al Muhajiroun - the banned forerunner to Islam4UK wher Adebolajo ofen appeared with other radical protesters - said he recognised him from TV footage at the scene.

Choudary said: ‘I went to the same primary school as him in Woolwich, Mulgrave, and grew up in the same area and he came to the local mosque - it was a peaceful community with lots of Muslim people from Somalia and Pakistan. I didn’t know him that well so I can’t say where his family was from.

He converted around 2003 to Islam, before I met him and I knew him as his convert name ‘Mujaheed’ when he used to attend our demonstrations and lectures. I last saw him in 2011, he was a very nice man with impeccable character and nothing unusual about him.

He added: ‘What he did was unusual and it’s not the kind of view that I propagate and I do not condone the use of violence, but those views are out there. Some members of the Muslim community struggle to express themselves and he is making his voice heard in blood.’

Choudary suggested that it was possible the attack was motivated by British government foreign policy in the Muslim world, and that this may not have been an isolated incident.

He said: ‘We are a very politicised community. Some people are angered by draconian measures such as ‘stop and search’ and restrictions on free speech.

‘There is a chance of more lone wolf attacks happening again due to these draconian measures

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