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Homosexuality, sin, choice or biology?

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Irrelevant

None of the Christian Aplogists here are suggesting brutality or anything of the sort against homsexuals...None are seeking to have them suffer.. infact i support there wish to marry! let them, however the placement of children by the state into these homes i cant support, its a unatural outcome of such a union..therefore its against my lords wishes, against nature ..and heres why! and if nature discriminates then perhaps take that up with your creator.

before anybody says another word id enchourage you shadow ( who has never been short of a word) , for HIM to tell us again in HIS words about how children can have sex with there parents??... and i belong in a mental home rlyleh? sorry , i fight for those who cant fight for themselves, thats children first! if that puts me in a mental home then it would be the sanity ward...

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Arbenol

before anybody says another word id enchourage you shadow ( who has never been short of a word) , for HIM to tell us again in HIS words about how children can have sex with there parents??...

I've been following this thread and I've read many of Shadow's posts. He's never said what you claim. At best, you can't read properly. At worst, you're deliberately misrepresenting him with your spurious and revolting accusations.

I challenge you to produce the post where he said that.

Shameful.

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Irrelevant

at best hes hiding...refusing to say what he said on the Athiests go to heaven thread , where he claimed to first be a girl, who was attacked by christians...then the holy spirit came and showed us all who he really was and his purpose...

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Paranoid Android

before anybody says another word id enchourage you shadow ( who has never been short of a word) , for HIM to tell us again in HIS words about how children can have sex with there parents??

If you go back to his comments, you'll note that his comment was referring to an adult child - in other words, two consenting adults, if they happen to be related that's between them. I don't agree with that sentiment either, but intimating that shadowhive is a paedophile is unwarranted, and I'm asking you now to stop the false allegations.

at best hes hiding...refusing to say what he said on the Athiests go to heaven thread , where he claimed to first be a girl, who was attacked by christians...then the holy spirit came and showed us all who he really was and his purpose...

It's fair to say that I've argued with shadowhive more often than probably any other person on UM. I think you'll find you were mistaken that he claimed to be a girl. In all the time I've debated with him he's only ever declared that he's a male. You'll have to pull up the specific post that says otherwise because I've never seen it. Edited by Paranoid Android
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Ratte

None of the Christian Aplogists here are suggesting brutality or anything of the sort against homsexuals...None are seeking to have them suffer.. infact i support there wish to marry! let them, however the placement of children by the state into these homes i cant support, its a unatural outcome of such a union..therefore its against my lords wishes, against nature ..and heres why! and if nature discriminates then perhaps take that up with your creator.

So you'd rather they suffer foster care and orphanages rather than have warm, loving homes? That doesn't really seem like you are looking out for them.

I have been hurt, physically, because of who I am. Those who hurt me claimed they did it because I was against god and to teach me a lesson. Just because you don't do it doesn't mean others don't.

before anybody says another word id enchourage you shadow ( who has never been short of a word) , for HIM to tell us again in HIS words about how children can have sex with there parents??...

Shadowhive may be asleep by now. It's almost three AM where I'm at.

and i belong in a mental home rlyleh? sorry , i fight for those who cant fight for themselves, thats children first! if that puts me in a mental home then it would be the sanity ward...

I can't say if I agree or disagree with Ryleh's statement, but you do come off as rather uppity and self-important. Sorry, its just my opinion. If I met you on the street you might be a nice guy, but here you kinda look like a jerk. The same can also be said for me from time to time.

Now if you will excuse me for a moment, I'm going to go review this thread you mentioned.

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Irrelevant

lets let him speek..

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Odin11

before anybody says another word id enchourage you shadow ( who has never been short of a word) , for HIM to tell us again in HIS words about how children can have sex with there parents??...

I have read every post in that topic, you are deliberately taking his words out of content.

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Arbenol

lets let him speek..

You know exactly what you're doing here. I'd take PA's advice, if I were you.

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Frank Merton

The fact that an ideology tries to deny science -- in this case by suggesting that we control or have "free will" over our sexual orientation (about as outrageous as asserting that we can control whether to grow testicles or not) disqualifies that ideology as something to pay attention to.

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Paranoid Android

lets let him speek..

He did. Read THIS POST from the Pope Francis thread. He replied directly to you when you levelled the same accusation at him. Considering that, I won't have this forum being used to slander people, even people I tend to argue with. So drop it. It's over.

~ Paranoid Android (Forum Mod. Team)

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hellig heilige

Let me ask you something. Since the vast majority of humans are hetroexual and can thus 'fulfil that biological purpoe' does it really matter if the rest do not? And if it does, than why? After all even among those capable of breeding, that doesn't mean they will.

Jor el, there's more to life than just having children, far more.

Jesus is a an excellent example of one of those people who are capable of breeding but did not. You got that right, there's more to life.................................................
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Irrelevant

If you go back to his comments, you'll note that his comment was referring to an adult child - in other words, two consenting adults, if they happen to be related that's between them. I don't agree with that sentiment either, but intimating that shadowhive is a paedophile is unwarranted, and I'm asking you now to stop the false allegations.

It's fair to say that I've argued with shadowhive more often than probably any other person on UM. I think you'll find you were mistaken that he claimed to be a girl. In all the time I've debated with him he's only ever declared that he's a male. You'll have to pull up the specific post that says otherwise because I've never seen it.

and you never answered that question ..about whether or not you will happily be sermonised to in your anglican faith by the new homosexual pastors and taught jesus was gay..as that is what they teach!, ive seen this with my own eyes as i do interfaith..

so what are you going to choose PA? are you going to stay Anglican be sermonised to by a gay or lesbian pastor and taught some new truth..that Jesus was gay??

to the gay who suggested im condecending..no, i talk straight to you when needed. this is my way of showing you respect!..if i was like the others youd find id be accused of hiding myself and my true thoughts like shadow did to the others..you cant have it both ways. If you want me to be nicer i will, but i will still talk straight!, i will just use a little more love as you ask... i point out that i wont judge you except explain what you say back and reveal the truth of yourself to you, at times i will use a teaching or symbolism, accept it or reject it..but if you want more love ..i can do love!! I am soft and gentle, but only to those who need that. Shadow dosnt need that, he abuses that love when its shown to him.

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hellig heilige

Was Jesus gay because He didn't have children? Was He gay because He didn't condemn homosexuality?

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Irrelevant

Do what you want PA...but do it quickly!. consenting adults is no excuse for his words..theres many things that lead upto that! its called experimenting..the day i stand by and have somebody tell me theres nothing wrong with those words is the day im happy to nologer be in such a group! if the mods here accept this is a rightful course for society then cut me loose..

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Paranoid Android

and you never answered that question ..about whether or not you will happily be sermonised to in your anglican faith by the new homosexual pastors and taught jesus was gay..as that is what they teach!, ive seen this with my own eyes as i do interfaith..

so what are you going to choose PA? are you going to stay Anglican be sermonised to by a gay or lesbian pastor and taught some new truth..that Jesus was gay??

I'm not "Anglican". The faith that I believe in is Christianity, it is not confined to a single earthly denomination. I do attend an Anglican church but that doesn't make me "Anglican". I could just as easily attend a Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, or any one of a dozen non-denominational churches (and many denominations I haven't probably named).

And I didn't answer the question before because I thought I had addressed it. If the Anglican system in Australia were to adopt the liberal attitude of the Church of England, I'd find a new church that stayed true to the Bible.

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hellig heilige

Go on Shadow, tell us again in your own words about how incesst is right...enlighten the UM community about what you hold true in this regard..

Do you know Noah married his sister?

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Paranoid Android

Do what you want PA...but do it quickly!. consenting adults is no excuse for his words..theres many things that lead upto that! its called experimenting..the day i stand by and have somebody tell me theres nothing wrong with those words is the day im happy to nologer be in such a group! if the mods here accept this is a rightful course for society then cut me loose..

I don't agree with the sentiment, I don't think two people who are related by blood (siblings, parent-child, etc) should under any circumstance engage in sexual relations, even if they are "consenting adults". However, you know very well that my comments to you had nothing to do with that, but rather false and erroneous allegations made towards another member. So don't play the victim and pretend that my comments were about something else than what they actually were.
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Ratte

to the gay who suggested im condecending..no, i talk straight to you when needed. this is my way of showing you respect!..if i was like the others youd find id be accused of hiding myself and my true thoughts like shadow did to the others..you cant have it both ways. If you want me to be nicer i will, but i will still talk straight!, i will just use a little more love as you ask... i point out that i wont judge you except explain what you say back and reveal the truth of yourself to you, at times i will use a teaching or symbolism, accept it or reject it..but if you want more love ..i can do love!! I am soft and gentle, but only to those who need that. Shadow dosnt need that, he abuses that love when its shown to him.

When you said "to the gay", was that a typo? Hehe, b'cause I'm pansexual.

Shadowhive doesn't abuse anything (except maybe his keyboard because he's logged a lot of posts on here). Not from what I've seen, anyway. He's friendly until textually assaulted.

You say you talk straight and yet you leave so many questions unanswered and have targeted someone I respect for seemingly no reason.

So far, my posts have been pretty tame. I've been fairly nice. You should look back at some of the arguments I've gotten into on this topic in other threads. I can be one mean son of a gun when I want to.

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Dumbledore the Awesome

I tuned in to this thread expecting it to provide as much... entertainment :unsure2: ... as this topic usually brings up when anyone brings the question of Religion into it. And I wasn't disappointed. My word, people do have some... imaginative ideas, don't they. :unsure2:

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Dumbledore the Awesome

Was Jesus gay because He didn't have children? Was He gay because He didn't condemn homosexuality?

Really, thinking that what Jesus may have said about any particular issue should be any basis to construct a faith called "Christianity"? What an old fashioned way of thinking. Don't you know that what Jesus may have said about anything has nothing to do with modern, thrusting, go-ahead Christianity?

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shadowhive

Irrelevent I'll not dignify that with a response since you are obviously inacapable of understanding. I made several statements about consenting adults which, because it doesn't suit you, you ignored altogether. So slander away. It only shows you're an idiot

And the reason I didn't respond sooner was i was doing this biological need know as sleeping.

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shadowhive

And HOLY COW! Shadowhive is gay? Dude! I wish I'd known sooner. I hope he looks like his avi. Grell is scrumptious. Yet... You seem to think he'd prefer Ciel.

I'm bi (well, pan, but I usually just go with bi so I don't have to go through the explanation), but yeah :) Aww thanks, Grell is and I wish I looked like him!

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Almagest

Jesus is a an excellent example of one of those people who are capable of breeding but did not. You got that right, there's more to life.................................................

Isaac Newton is another good example. He was more obsessed with Motion and Alchemy than women and we remember him. Not so much his younger brother Stephen 'the philanderer' Newton who left countless b******* in his wake.

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shadowhive

When you said "to the gay", was that a typo? Hehe, b'cause I'm pansexual.

Shadowhive doesn't abuse anything (except maybe his keyboard because he's logged a lot of posts on here). Not from what I've seen, anyway. He's friendly until textually assaulted.

My keyboad does seems in bad shape :P But yeah, that is very true.

You say you talk straight and yet you leave so many questions unanswered and have targeted someone I respect for seemingly no reason.

So far, my posts have been pretty tame. I've been fairly nice. You should look back at some of the arguments I've gotten into on this topic in other threads. I can be one mean son of a gun when I want to.

Yeah, when people have addressed his points he pulls the stunt of flat out ignoring them altogether and continues to rant. I've replied to about three or four of his posts and he's done that, so there's really no point expecting a sane discussion.

Thanks :)

And thanks to theothers too. It's nice to see a few people have sanity, especially with someone like him

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shadowhive

He did. Read THIS POST from the Pope Francis thread. He replied directly to you when you levelled the same accusation at him. Considering that, I won't have this forum being used to slander people, even people I tend to argue with. So drop it. It's over.

~ Paranoid Android (Forum Mod. Team)

Honestly, I don't know how he could keep missing that, especially since he brings up anything else I said in that thread.

But thanks. I've enaged with you a lot and I can't say I've ever really see you pull your mod hat before. So thanks, I appreciate it.

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