Hate preacher Choudary in fresh vile rant

[Black Red Devil]

I don't know what this guys (Choudary) agenda is but he's doing more damage to Muslims than he's little pea brain can even imagine. The extreme Right Wing party's are taking advantage of the situation, becoming more popular and rising fast in Europe. If Nationalism in European history is anything to go by, this is an ominous sign for Muslim immigrants, Semitics and all other immigrants for that matter.

My Link

My link Part's 1,2 & 3

EDIT TO add:

I just noticed that, apart from Switzerland, Italy is currently the only country with a Right Wing Govt. Some 80-90 years ago it all started there as well didn't it? History about to repeat itself?

Edited June 11, 2013 by Black Red Devil

[freetoroam]

I don't know what this guys (Choudary) agenda is but he's doing more damage to Muslims than he's little pea brain can even imagine. The extreme Right Wing party's are taking advantage of the situation, becoming more popular and rising fast in Europe. If Nationalism in European history is anything to go by, this is an ominous sign for Muslim immigrants, Semitics and all other immigrants for that matter.

Why extreme right wing? why not just the normal people of that country have just about had enough?

Same old story, as soon as someone says anything against the radical muslims they are suddenly extreme right!

Well i am a normal non religious person, I am not right wing, but am sure sick and tired of the extreme left wingers.

You mention the history of Europe towards immigrants, you do on the other hand forget to mention the Asians history towards immigrants from the west.

If Europe is that bad, then why do they keep coming?

[itsnotoutthere]

I don't know what this guys (Choudary) agenda is but he's doing more damage to Muslims than he's little pea brain can even imagine. The extreme Right Wing party's are taking advantage of the situation, becoming more popular and rising fast in Europe. If Nationalism in European history is anything to go by, this is an ominous sign for Muslim immigrants, Semitics and all other immigrants for that matter.

My Link

My link Part's 1,2 & 3

EDIT TO add:

I just noticed that, apart from Switzerland, Italy is currently the only country with a Right Wing Govt. Some 80-90 years ago it all started there as well didn't it? History about to repeat itself?

I think people have got just as much to worry if not more under extreme left wing governments I mean, how many innocent people died under

Moa tse-tung, Pol pot & Stalin. As i've said before, right wing dictators start wars with other countries, left wing dictators start wars with their own.

[+and-then]

This is that misguided mongrel that praised the 911 terrorists as magnificent martyrs. This is the sort of man I speak of, he is consider a Mulim Scholar. Why do we not have 1.4 billion so called peaceful Muslims walking up to him ripping the koran out of his hands, shaving of his beard and sticking a pork chop in his hand? Why is he allowed to do this, and why is he allowed to preach hate?

Don't tell me page 14, The Goodness Knows Times right hand column there is a paragraph saying he is a bad man - right? That sorts that out. Carry on Anjem Choudary.

When a people - ANY people - become so soft and self satisfied, so ready to give anything in the name of keeping their comforts or "freedom" as they see it, that they will refuse to act then they no longer deserve freedom. They have forgotten that it is only a gift and that once they become unwilling to risk anything for it it simply goes away.

[+and-then]

I don't know what this guys (Choudary) agenda is but he's doing more damage to Muslims than he's little pea brain can even imagine. The extreme Right Wing party's are taking advantage of the situation, becoming more popular and rising fast in Europe. If Nationalism in European history is anything to go by, this is an ominous sign for Muslim immigrants, Semitics and all other immigrants for that matter.

My Link

My link Part's 1,2 & 3

EDIT TO add:

I just noticed that, apart from Switzerland, Italy is currently the only country with a Right Wing Govt. Some 80-90 years ago it all started there as well didn't it? History about to repeat itself?

I also don't know for sure what his agenda is but I believe it just possible that he really believes the things he says and he is acting from a sense of conscience. If so then that is the scariest adversary there is.

[Black Red Devil]

Why extreme right wing? why not just the normal people of that country have just about had enough?

Same old story, as soon as someone says anything against the radical muslims they are suddenly extreme right!

Well i am a normal non religious person, I am not right wing, but am sure sick and tired of the extreme left wingers.

You mention the history of Europe towards immigrants, you do on the other hand forget to mention the Asians history towards immigrants from the west.

If Europe is that bad, then why do they keep coming?

Why extreme right wing? Did you see the links and the image in my post? The answer is because they ARE extreme Right Wing Party's and they're taking advantage of the situation. Currently, their agenda might suit the feelings you have against radical Islamists running around in England, but they aren't the final answer. It's like getting rid of cancer by injecting heroin into your body.

As itsnotoutthere mentioned and I agree with, extremists have a history of blood on their hands. ALL extremists.

Edited June 11, 2013 by Black Red Devil

[Black Red Devil]

I also don't know for sure what his agenda is but I believe it just possible that he really believes the things he says and he is acting from a sense of conscience. If so then that is the scariest adversary there is.

Six million Semitics died in Europe the last time Nationalists were ruling the roost in Europe and this was just because they were....Semitics.

I know times have changed but the doctrine is the same. Scariest adversary? I'd be worried if I was him.

[+and-then]

Six million Semitics died in Europe the last time Nationalists were ruling the roost in Europe and this was just because they were....Semitics.

I know times have changed but the doctrine is the same. Scariest adversary? I'd be worried if I was him.

I don't understand...you think that Islamic extremists have more to fear from the "right" than the rest of us have to fear from Islamic "extremism"?

[SHaYap]

I don't understand...you think that Islamic extremists have more to fear from the "right" than the rest of us have to fear from Islamic "extremism"?

sit back .. and try to smell the coffee over the flowers buddy ...

~

[+and-then]

sit back .. and try to smell the coffee over the flowers buddy ...

~

perhaps you could explain what I'm missing in this case? He actually seems to think that the west is the greater hazard here. Surely I misunderstand him.

[freetoroam]

Why extreme right wing? Did you see the links and the image in my post? The answer is because they ARE extreme Right Wing Party's and they're taking advantage of the situation. Currently, their agenda might suit the feelings you have against radical Islamists running around in England, but they aren't the final answer. It's like getting rid of cancer by injecting heroin into your body.

As itsnotoutthere mentioned and I agree with, extremists have a history of blood on their hands. ALL extremists.

I read the link by Aljazeera. MY question was why are normal people who oppose the burka and the rise of islamification in their country classed as far right? What happened to being patriotic and fed up with immigrants who have no intentions of integration, but have full intentions of taking advantage of the western way of life?

I resent being called far right by the MEDIA just because I am not prepared to bend over backwards and accept what I perceive as a barbaric religion which have openly expressed their hatred towards the western world.

I will not deny there are the extreme right, but not every one is, but the media want to class every one who is not in favour of the extreme left, as extreme right , which only add fuel to the situation.

[SHaYap]

perhaps you could explain what I'm missing in this case? He actually seems to think that the west is the greater hazard here. Surely I misunderstand him.

one feeds the other ... what i've been saying all along ...... it all ends up nowhere pretty ... even if its all flowers and coffee now my furry pal ...

[freetoroam]

one feeds the other ... what i've been saying all along ...... it all ends up nowhere pretty ... even if its all flowers and coffee now my furry pal ...

This is what is happening. It does not help when the "extreme far right" are being brought into the front by the media over the normal people who are against anti western immigrants. I believe there are far more non extreme far right people out there who do not want to see blood on their streets, but the media are not interested in them, and if they do shout a little louder, they are classed as extreme.

In England like in other European countries we have seen the rise of islam and I have seen it first hand that they have no intentions of integrating and living along side us, does that make me an extreme right winger because i do not like it? NO! But in the eyes of the media, they need an extreme right to counter balance the extreme left.....sod the media, they help nothing but their own back pockets.

[Beckys_Mom]

Hey BM, it was indeed The Godfather.........I didnt actually know it was said in any other film

what a film a great film, I havent watched it for around two years so I think its about that time again.

The Godfather was great moive... Part 2 is better.. And thanks for confirming the movie quote.

Edited June 11, 2013 by Beckys_Mom

[itsnotoutthere]

This is what is happening. It does not help when the "extreme far right" are being brought into the front by the media over the normal people who are against anti western immigrants. I believe there are far more non extreme far right people out there who do not want to see blood on their streets, but the media are not interested in them, and if they do shout a little louder, they are classed as extreme.

In England like in other European countries we have seen the rise of islam and I have seen it first hand that they have no intentions of integrating and living along side us, does that make me an extreme right winger because i do not like it? NO! But in the eyes of the media, they need an extreme right to counter balance the extreme left.....sod the media, they help nothing but their own back pockets.

Well said.

[Black Red Devil]

I don't understand...you think that Islamic extremists have more to fear from the "right" than the rest of us have to fear from Islamic "extremism"?

Figures speak for themselves. We are talking about acts of extremism right? If that's so, political extremists in Europe (far left and far right) were responsible for far more deaths in the last century than Islam or Muslims were in general.

Do you disagree? If you do, show me and we can compare.

[Black Red Devil]

I read the link by Aljazeera. MY question was why are normal people who oppose the burka and the rise of islamification in their country classed as far right? What happened to being patriotic and fed up with immigrants who have no intentions of integration, but have full intentions of taking advantage of the western way of life?

I resent being called far right by the MEDIA just because I am not prepared to bend over backwards and accept what I perceive as a barbaric religion which have openly expressed their hatred towards the western world.

I will not deny there are the extreme right, but not every one is, but the media want to class every one who is not in favour of the extreme left, as extreme right , which only add fuel to the situation.

You just missed the point again. The figures I showed you portrayed far Right Wing Party's in Europe gaining popularity. These figures weren't estimations from the media, but based on seats in their Parliaments. So they were voted in by their electorate constituents.

So as an example, if you, as a voter, voted for a political Right Wing Party because of their philosophy towards immigrants, Muslims etc., then you voted for the ideology that Party represents and everything that comes with it. You can't just pick and choose parts of their agenda, manifesto etc. You get the whole package.

Now, I'm not suggesting all Right Wing factions would be as racist and conduct themselves as the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazi's) or to a lesser degree, the Italian Fascist Party and commit genocide, but they all follow the same general ideology. If their ideological history is anything to go by and they gain enough power, then you can kiss ethnic minorities goodbye but also your freedom and democracy. Of course this won't happen under a Democratic form of Govt but the TRUE danger is that these ideologies tend to eliminate opposition and become totalitarian when they gain a stranglehold on the population and the infrastructure (economical and military) of a country.

Apart from the Nazi's and Fascists in WWII, you had the Soviet Union, communist China and North Korea, religious plutocracy's such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, dictatorships such as Ghaddafi, authoritarian such as the Taliban and the list of atrocities and oppression from totalitarian regimes goes on and on. If you think a simple vote for a Right Wing Party in a Democratic society has nothing to do with the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Taliban etc. then that's your belief and choice. I'm sure Germans were happy when Hitler told them he would fix up the "Jewish question", and Stalin was a national hero for the Russians before he eliminated 20 million unwelcome Soviet citizens (including opposition and minorities) and the Taliban were "freedom fighters" for the Afghans.

I just don't believe voting in political extremists are the answer in fixing Islamic nutjobs such as Choudary.

[psyche101]

Exactly. And you want to take away their free speech.

Play the simpletons off against each other, it's just so easy.

Free speech?

Murdered soldier Lee Rigby will 'burn in hellfire' and those who killed him should be considered martyrs, hate preacher Anjem Choudary has said

That is not free speech, that is hate speech. Get a grip man.

[psyche101]

'If you are not with us ... you are against us ... if you are not with us ... you are with them'

It is little wonder you tend to blame victims for being "in the way of a terrorists bomb".

I find your attitude towards victims in general disturbing.

Edited June 12, 2013 by psyche101

[+and-then]

Figures speak for themselves. We are talking about acts of extremism right? If that's so, political extremists in Europe (far left and far right) were responsible for far more deaths in the last century than Islam or Muslims were in general.

Do you disagree? If you do, show me and we can compare.

Wow.... so I DID understand. So you are setting the acts of communism and fascism against the rise of militant Islam and saying Islam is the lesser evil so it is THEY who have reason to fear US? If we're going back in history then let's go a bit farther, shall we? During Islam's initial conquest of the west the only thing that made the numbers skew in our favor was the general lack of modern weaponry and lack of population. Your poor friends whom you feel the need to protect from we barbarians, have the bomb (Pakistan) and are poised to have a second (Iran) and they speak rather openly of using them from time to time. The biggest difference and the critical one in my estimation, is that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and Mao all wanted POWER. Power and land and wealth that goes with it. A nearly 50 year cold war proved that we are not suicidal when these are our primary goals. THESE buddies of your's want to have power also BUT they want it by proving that their god is bigger or to quote : "greatest" I wonder who will be left to keep the tally when these guys finally decide it is their turn to rule?

[Black Red Devil]

Wow.... so I DID understand. So you are setting the acts of communism and fascism against the rise of militant Islam and saying Islam is the lesser evil so it is THEY who have reason to fear US? If we're going back in history then let's go a bit farther, shall we? During Islam's initial conquest of the west the only thing that made the numbers skew in our favor was the general lack of modern weaponry and lack of population. Your poor friends whom you feel the need to protect from we barbarians, have the bomb (Pakistan) and are poised to have a second (Iran) and they speak rather openly of using them from time to time. The biggest difference and the critical one in my estimation, is that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and Mao all wanted POWER. Power and land and wealth that goes with it. A nearly 50 year cold war proved that we are not suicidal when these are our primary goals. THESE buddies of your's want to have power also BUT they want it by proving that their god is bigger or to quote : "greatest" I wonder who will be left to keep the tally when these guys finally decide it is their turn to rule?

Obviously for you the God factor is an issue. Not for me. They are not my "buddies" and your attempt to align my posts in favor of Islamic extremists is laughable, deceitful and contaminated by your biased religious feelings. Then again who cares. I've provided you with facts, you've come back with......what exactly? Pakistan has "the" bomb??? . Iran is trying to get "the" bomb (not true, but anyway for argument sake lets say it is true). So what, Israel has more military might alone than the whole lot of them (I believe you're talking about the Islamic Nations, i.e. my buddies) put together.

Anyway, going back to the basic question without diverting into innuendos. The question was:

political extremists in Europe (far left and far right) were responsible for far more deaths in the last century than Islam or Muslims were in general.

Do you disagree? If you do, show me and we can compare.

Answer?

Edited June 12, 2013 by Black Red Devil

[quillius]

Anyway, going back to the basic question without diverting into innuendos. The question was:

Answer?

can you define 'responsible' please?

[Black Red Devil]

can you define 'responsible' please?

How about,

Being the primary cause of something and so able to be blamed or credited for it.

[quillius]

How about,

Being the primary cause of something and so able to be blamed or credited for it.

so if we use the sad death of Lee Rigby...who was responsible? If we know assume he was given orders to cause havoc in the UK by person x, now who is responsible?

[Black Red Devil]

so if we use the sad death of Lee Rigby...who was responsible? If we know assume he was given orders to cause havoc in the UK by person x, now who is responsible?

Geez, is this all you were alluding to?? I knew I shouldn't have wasted my time in googling the answer. Put simply, I'm not trying to portray Islamic extremists as a bunch of choir boys or deny Choudary's responsibilities, I'm pointing out that Right Wing extremists aren't the solution. This seems to be an issue with some posters who prefer a bunch of extremists who are loyal to an ideological political movement with a history of racial genocide, authoritarian and totalitarian rule just purely because,......maybe because they represent the white supremacy (me thinks).

Edited June 12, 2013 by Black Red Devil