Big Bad Voodoo Posted June 21, 2013 #26 Share Posted June 21, 2013 What about our consciousness? What about our sub-consciousness? Sometimes is more improtant then consciousness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted June 21, 2013 #27 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) My father reminded me that decades ago people where saying that in the year 2000 there'll be no need to eat foods and that all computers will be messed up and that kind of things which many experts supported. Now, needless to say we're far from that in 2013. We still eat a lot of meats and our computers works fine, they haven't taken over either. So, as to upload our consciousness in a computer in 2045 I think it's a prediction that should be considered with moderation. In any case, I have a hard time considering that seriously. Who should want to live in a machine and be reduced to data, wires and circuits? I've no doubt that technologies will change ou world significantly in the futur but that doesn't mean we should give ourselves to it. Edited June 21, 2013 by sam_comm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted June 22, 2013 #28 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Wow! i don't know how a copy could function like a living brain. A copy of what? .. Memories? , which would include all 'knowledge' . How do you make a digital copy of functions? It's like .. where's the hardware to run this stuff !? i Can't open my Files!!!!* oh noooo i froze up!! .. somebody unplug me .. please! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaphod222 Posted June 22, 2013 #29 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Well, I think the story is BS, but it is a fascinating thought anyway. Wouldn´t it be great if google was right --- the various religionists would certainly have something to chew on...... considering that being in charge of our eternal afterlife, would Google not be God? And could this Google then not create Heaven and Hell for your digitized brains on the server? The mind boggles.... personally, I say I find the idea of Larry Page being in charge of my digital soul about as appealing as muslim paradise with its virgins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted June 22, 2013 #30 Share Posted June 22, 2013 The philosophical problem of identity (is it really me?) would persist and I suspect give a lot of people serious pause. Another approach is to keep the brain alive forever in some sort of heavily protected cocoon and live virtual lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozman Posted June 22, 2013 #31 Share Posted June 22, 2013 There is no such thing as uploading your brain to a computer. A computer doesn't know or will most likely never be able to scan the memories information feelings and everything in the brain onto a computer. The human brain is too complex for a computer to be able to scan. An MRI can detect activity in certain areas but can't actually know what information is stored there or what memories are currently being accessed by the brain. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted June 22, 2013 #32 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I think you are probably right but maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozman Posted June 22, 2013 #33 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Personally, I highly doubt longterm human memory is stored in the physical realm. I believe there is hidden ethereal higher astral realm which stores shadow memory. One lady i worked with yesterday remembered my name even though she only saw me once 3 months ago and she had no sheet or info about me. I was asked to cover at a hotel on short notice. I asked her how do u still remember my name and she said i just told her. I responded I didnt just tell u, i would clearly remember if i just told u my name just now. She is an elder lady and she somehow managed to remember my name from many months ago yet she believes i just told her my name. ITS ALL SHADOW MEMORY STORED IN A HIGHER DIMENSIONAL REALM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBeliever Posted June 22, 2013 #34 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I think wat most people want is to be immortal as a human. Not a robot... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Render Posted June 22, 2013 #35 Share Posted June 22, 2013 There is no such thing as uploading your brain to a computer. A computer doesn't know or will most likely never be able to scan the memories information feelings and everything in the brain onto a computer. The human brain is too complex for a computer to be able to scan. An MRI can detect activity in certain areas but can't actually know what information is stored there or what memories are currently being accessed by the brain. There are already brain implant chips that can hold memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted June 22, 2013 #36 Share Posted June 22, 2013 A computer doesn't know or will most likely never be able to scan the memories information feelings and everything in the brain onto a computer. Then you'd be wrong.http://www.cell.com/current-biology/retrieve/pii/S0960982211009377 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16811042 http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/02February/Pages/mind-reading-telephathy-inner-voice.aspx Personally, I highly doubt longterm human memory is stored in the physical realm. I believe there is hidden ethereal higher astral realm which stores shadow memory.We all have our delusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted June 22, 2013 #37 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I suppose diseases of the memory are diseases of the hidden ethereal higher astral realm. Why does it manifest as brain disease? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artaxerxes Posted June 22, 2013 #38 Share Posted June 22, 2013 We don't know what consciousness is or where it comes from? How can we saw we are going to upload sentience or consciousness when we don't have a clue how it is generated? I am very skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted June 22, 2013 #39 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Yes I agree with that, but sometimes things are possible even when we don't fully understand what is going on. To me sentience is the more profound mystery. How is it we and other animals do not actually "sense" through our senses, but instead convert it into experiencing the world and experiencing our internal emotional state. This is the "qualia" you may have heard about. Consciousness is another similar mystery, as is reasoning and a number of other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted June 23, 2013 #40 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Then you'd be wrong. http://www.cell.com/...960982211009377 http://www.bbc.co.uk...onment-16811042 http://www.nhs.uk/ne...nner-voice.aspx We all have our delusions. I'd think .. (did you see it?!) .. that there is a large difference between deciphering what word we are thinking of through monitoring electrical brain patterns... and "Uploading A BRAIN"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted June 23, 2013 #41 Share Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) I'd think .. (did you see it?!) .. that there is a large difference between deciphering what word we are thinking of through monitoring electrical brain patterns... and "Uploading A BRAIN"? I think you should read what I highlighted, ozman said a computer can not scan memories infomation and feelings into a computer. Edited June 23, 2013 by Rlyeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted June 23, 2013 #42 Share Posted June 23, 2013 hmmmmm 2045 I didn't make this up ... I swear ... ` 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieChecker Posted June 23, 2013 #43 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I probably wouldn't do it, because I'd be afraid that my Virtual self would clean out my bank account and take over posting on UM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sormac Posted June 24, 2013 #44 Share Posted June 24, 2013 This is scary. I could foresee being digitally immortal as a fate worse than death. I've often wondered what would happen if they could get to a point where they could replicate an individuals brain, right down the the atoms... Akin to a teleportation device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindscanner Posted June 28, 2013 #45 Share Posted June 28, 2013 pretty amazing but scary at the same time, what if there are some harmful viruses occur which could distort all the data and finally vanished, no more memory, no more mobility functions ...what would happen then? can it be recovered? unless if there is any extra storage system built up, other wise will make us useless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeWitz Posted June 28, 2013 #46 Share Posted June 28, 2013 pretty amazing but scary at the same time, what if there are some harmful viruses occur which could distort all the data and finally vanished, no more memory, no more mobility functions ...what would happen then? can it be recovered? unless if there is any extra storage system built up, other wise will make us useless. Not to worry, it's all wanna-be Frankensteinian sci-fi mumbo-jumbo. The human mind, with all the vagaries and nuances of self-consciousness, cannot be reduced to digitalia. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted June 28, 2013 #47 Share Posted June 28, 2013 pretty amazing but scary at the same time, what if there are some harmful viruses occur which could distort all the data and finally vanished, no more memory, no more mobility functions ...what would happen then? can it be recovered? unless if there is any extra storage system built up, other wise will make us useless. This can also happen to your physical brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted June 28, 2013 #48 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Not to worry, it's all wanna-be Frankensteinian sci-fi mumbo-jumbo. The human mind, with all the vagaries and nuances of self-consciousness, cannot be reduced to digitalia. I see no reason except the problem of sentience, and even though we don't know how that is achieved, whatever happens would also happen in the transferred brain. I think it may be that people here still think we have a soul lurking in there somewhere and it might get left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherrypress Posted June 28, 2013 #49 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I accept the concept of mind uploading as a perfectly natural part of our evolutionary process... Allowing us to transcend the limitations of our biological bodies. If you accept that what constitutes as our personalities and characters are nothing more then a complex map of synapses and neurons firing of and responding to external stimuli. And NOT some funky spirit sent down from the fairy in the sky to posses our bodies... Then bring it on I say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeWitz Posted June 28, 2013 #50 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I see no reason except the problem of sentience, and even though we don't know how that is achieved, whatever happens would also happen in the transferred brain. I think it may be that people here still think we have a soul lurking in there somewhere and it might get left behind. Frank, can you tell me why it is certain ("whatever happens would also happen in the transferred brain") that sentience, even though "we don't know how that is achieved." would "transfer?" This statement assumes we "know it would happen even though we don't know what it is," and implies every cognitive function is reducible to electronic harnessing. I have seen no evidence of this. Can you point me in some direction(s)? I'm not worried about "the soul," although I am not disdainful of the concept. Linguistically speaking, inexplicable sentience is no more or less ephemeral than the idea of a soul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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