NatureBoff Posted July 1, 2013 #1 Share Posted July 1, 2013 This video shows a light aircraft which loses it's single engine power at a height of around 200ft after take-off. He lands without serious injury. So why are so many light aircraft crashes appear to have the pilot unconscious/confused and pushing forward on the stick? Here's just the latest. Small plane crashes on takeoff at Fallbrook Airpark, 1 minor injury reported. There was another bad crash at the same airport on Mar05 2012, with a major injury. I've come across ten to twenty such nose into the ground bad crashes in some earlier research I did. These unfortunate incident mysteries are likely to be on the rise imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoff Posted July 3, 2013 Author #2 Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) Here is another example: Weather conditions were pretty good and there's not a lot of wind. He tried to land just after dark.. Edited July 3, 2013 by RingFenceTheCity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted July 3, 2013 #3 Share Posted July 3, 2013 How do you know he pushed forward on the stick? When did he do that? Have you considered starting a thread about why there are automobile accidents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted July 3, 2013 #4 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Because some pilots are lucky and some aren't. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoff Posted July 3, 2013 Author #5 Share Posted July 3, 2013 How do you know he pushed forward on the stick? When did he do that? I used the phrase loosely because I have read many cases of such nosedive accidents in the past. I'm not saying it definitely applies in this case. It's the fact that experienced pilots can generally land in good conditions without any problem, whether at night or not. So why would the onset of darkness cause the accident. It doesn't really make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoff Posted July 3, 2013 Author #6 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Because some pilots are lucky and some aren't. That's the statement of someone who isn't scientfically minded and doesn't have any experience of flying what-so-ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted July 3, 2013 #7 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I used the phrase loosely because I have read many cases of such nosedive accidents in the past. I'm not saying it definitely applies in this case. It's the fact that experienced pilots can generally land in good conditions without any problem, whether at night or not. So why would the onset of darkness cause the accident. It doesn't really make sense. Because you can't see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted July 3, 2013 #8 Share Posted July 3, 2013 That's the statement of someone who isn't scientfically minded and doesn't have any experience of flying what-so-ever. Someone who posts the kind of stuff you post commenting on someone not being scientifically minded - now that's funny. How many hours of stick time do you have? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaturtlehorsesnake Posted July 3, 2013 #9 Share Posted July 3, 2013 so do you just see any plane crash as an excuse to advance your pet theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted July 3, 2013 #10 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Someone who posts the kind of stuff you post commenting on someone not being scientifically minded - now that's funny. How many hours of stick time do you have? Good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoff Posted July 3, 2013 Author #11 Share Posted July 3, 2013 so do you just see any plane crash as an excuse to advance your pet theory? No, I look at as many as I can to see a possible link. Of course, a lot of light aircraft plane crashes don't fit this hypothesis. Many do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoff Posted July 3, 2013 Author #12 Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) Someone who posts the kind of stuff you post commenting on someone not being scientifically minded - now that's funny. How many hours of stick time do you have? I was in the gliding club at the Royal Aircraft Establishment. I was the only person in my class to get a distinction in aerodynamics at college. I saw many Farnborough airshows. My line manager was a former test pilot. I had a career as a Scientific Officer. I worked in a building at the end of the main runway and as a specially trained first aider, in the unfortunate event of a crash, it was my responsibility to run onto the runway and divert people away from spilt aviation fuel. I didn't even achieve solo flight ability, but that's beside the point, I have hundreds of take-offs and landings as first-hand experience. I'm more credible than just about anyone on this subject. If anyone has this experience combined with technical research, then I'd love to hear it. Edited July 3, 2013 by RingFenceTheCity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Terreur Posted July 4, 2013 #13 Share Posted July 4, 2013 my dear source of credibility: i followed some of your posts, but still i wasn't able to make any sense of all that. all i got is that you attribute random failure of machinery with something that appears to be a fixed idea of yours and then flaming people that doubt you. Help me out man, what is your point???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted July 4, 2013 #14 Share Posted July 4, 2013 I was in the gliding club at the Royal Aircraft Establishment. I was the only person in my class to get a distinction in aerodynamics at college. I saw many Farnborough airshows. My line manager was a former test pilot. I had a career as a Scientific Officer. I worked in a building at the end of the main runway and as a specially trained first aider, in the unfortunate event of a crash, it was my responsibility to run onto the runway and divert people away from spilt aviation fuel. I didn't even achieve solo flight ability, but that's beside the point, I have hundreds of take-offs and landings as first-hand experience. I'm more credible than just about anyone on this subject. If anyone has this experience combined with technical research, then I'd love to hear it. Then why do you display such a lack of understanding about aircraft, how they work, and in some cases how they don't? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiloh17 Posted July 14, 2013 #15 Share Posted July 14, 2013 The top video shows the plane lose power, he turns left slightly and sees nothing but trees and water, so he turns right and aims for the clearing. He clearly is using back elevator in an attempt to keep the plane in the air as seen in the side view camera. Just look at the elevator. He has it pulled back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoff Posted July 14, 2013 Author #16 Share Posted July 14, 2013 (edited) The top video shows the plane lose power, he turns left slightly and sees nothing but trees and water, so he turns right and aims for the clearing. He clearly is using back elevator in an attempt to keep the plane in the air as seen in the side view camera. Just look at the elevator. He has it pulled back. The left turn, loss of engine power are the same initial conditions as the latest 777 crash at SFO. It's the same as the 2004 incident at Sharm-el-sheik. It's hauntingly similar to the Afghan cargo plane crash. [The statue at the Manchester Museum is turning left]. There's something going on here. Edited July 14, 2013 by NatureBoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoff Posted July 14, 2013 Author #17 Share Posted July 14, 2013 my dear source of credibility: i followed some of your posts, but still i wasn't able to make any sense of all that. all i got is that you attribute random failure of machinery with something that appears to be a fixed idea of yours and then flaming people that doubt you. Help me out man, what is your point???? The left turn, loss of engine power are the same initial conditions as the latest 777 crash at SFO. It's the same as the 2004 incident at Sharm-el-sheik. It's hauntingly similar to the Afghan cargo plane crash. [The statue at the Manchester Museum is turning left]. There's something going on here. The sudden opposite turn can be due to pilot natural confusion and compensation until the narrow beam is passed or dissipates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted July 14, 2013 #18 Share Posted July 14, 2013 The left turn, loss of engine power are the same initial conditions as the latest 777 crash at SFO. It's the same as the 2004 incident at Sharm-el-sheik. It's hauntingly similar to the Afghan cargo plane crash. [The statue at the Manchester Museum is turning left]. There's something going on here. The sudden opposite turn can be due to pilot natural confusion and compensation until the narrow beam is passed or dissipates. Just no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted July 14, 2013 #19 Share Posted July 14, 2013 (edited) A hyrax hijacked the plane. Edit: With the help of a lizard bird. Edited July 14, 2013 by Rlyeh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoff Posted July 14, 2013 Author #20 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I'm sorry to say that the pilot in the OP has died in a plane crash in Alaska. R.I.P. Dale Hemman. Steilacoom pilot among those killed in Alaska plane crash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoff Posted July 15, 2013 Author #21 Share Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) It's not only planes that have a mystery lateral diversion to the left: Bestival coach crash which killed teen Michael Molloy and two others was caused by '20-year-old tyre blow out' The driver Colin Daulby battled to control the 52-seat coach as it headed north on the A3 in Surrey from the Bestival music festival on the Isle of Wight.But he also died in the crash when the blow-out on the front nearside tyre made the coach veer left, mount the embankment, crash through a fence and into the tree. Another One! Dozens injured after bus carrying college students crashes in Kentucky (Jun 11 2013) The Courier-Journal's website showed video of the crash. A dashboard camera from a truck showed the bus suddenly veering left across three lanes of traffic and hitting a concrete median, leaving a trail of debris in the roadway. A third one?! Police searching for box truck that caused school bus crash (May 2013) Five kids with special needs and seven adults were on their way back north to Lafayette when a box truck started coming over into the left lane. It forced the bus driver, Audrey Kithcel, 55, of Lafayette, to veer left.“The bus made an evasive maneuver to the left to miss from getting hit,” said Sgt. Rich Myers from the Indiana State Police. “It is very amazing for a bus to flip over like that and the kids and the adults came out with non-life threatening injuries.” Edited July 15, 2013 by NatureBoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoff Posted July 15, 2013 Author #22 Share Posted July 15, 2013 There's more coach crashes which initially veered to the left: Bus Crash That Killed Pregnant Coach And Driver Is Being Investigated (Mar 18 2013) The bus came to a stop upright on the side of the road with part of its left side shorn off, photos from the scene showed, though it's unclear whether that was from the impact or rescue operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted July 15, 2013 #23 Share Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) Give it up NatureBoff... I am rated on Harrier from my years of designing (member of the team) and implementing the Harrier Simulator at RNAS Yeovilton Pretty sure my rating lapsed a couple of decades ago) . You dont even have a PPL so basically you are talking from somewhere, where the sun doesn't shine! There are plenty of people on this site with extensive recent experience of flying everything from a Cessna Pup to modern commercial airliners and beyond. I take part, regularly, in Air Incident Investigations ( as an Aeronautical and Functional Safety Engineer (flight)) and nothing you say makes any sense at all. Do you never go to the source for the reports on Air Accidents (rhetorical, because Iknow the answer) as all air incidents are investigated. You might also want to look up HMI (Human Machine Interface) data to find out why sometimes people veer left, and sometimes people veer right prior to an accident. Give it up or tell us what you base your beliefs on - goodness only knows that I have asked you to do this numerous times, because all I see is a Troll peddling his own unsubstantiated beliefs. Edited July 15, 2013 by keithisco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted July 15, 2013 #24 Share Posted July 15, 2013 There's more coach crashes which initially veered to the left: Bus Crash That Killed Pregnant Coach And Driver Is Being Investigated (Mar 18 2013) Do you even read what you post FOOL. If the left side is sheared then it is a good indicator that the coach veered to the RIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoff Posted July 15, 2013 Author #25 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Do you even read what you post FOOL. If the left side is sheared then it is a good indicator that the coach veered to the RIGHT. If it veered left then it's more likely it's left side would strike a boundary wall etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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