NSA is giving your phone records to the DEA

[pallidin]

I presume you're just trying to provoke as well, and so it's hardly worth bothering to construct a reasonable response.

Why, you can't or care not to address it?

[Space Commander Travis]

Why, you can't or care not to address it?

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What, GO NSA!!! GO CIA!!11 is worthy of a reasonable reply? And really, "I can only presume that those advocating "no government" are doing so to promote/advocate illegal activities" is not designed to be provocative? if it is meant seriously, the only thing one can really say is what a silly argument.

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[lightly]

Since they took the practice of doing what they're doing, there's been no terrorist attacks on planes.

I'd assume because the terrorists realize that they'd be thouroughly searched prior to getting on.

So they've taken to other means to carry out their work.

It's just a good plan on the side of the terrorists. Similar to how if a cop is standing on a street corner, he probably wont get many arrests, but that street corner also wont see much crime.

Here is something to consider. If there are all these terrorist cells sleeping and otherwise about... and if "THEY" are shying away from "attacks on planes" .. then why haven't "THEY" attacked something else? If their sole purpose is to "kill americans' as we have heard.. then... why isn't it happening?

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[Space Commander Travis]

Here is something to consider. If there are all these terrorist cells sleeping and otherwise about... and if "THEY" are shying away from "attacks on planes" .. then why haven't "THEY" attacked something else? If their sole purpose is to "kill americans' as we have heard.. then... why isn't it happening?

because they've all been foiled by the heroes at the NSA and TSA and all the rest of the acronyms, of course, so all they can do is skulk in their caves* going "Curses, foiled again".

* because all Terrorists live in caves, of course, even those resident in the USA

[Kowalski]

I think it's sad and disturbing, that the same government who is using the NSA to spy on innocent, American citizens and then gives the info to the DEA, are also the same goons who funneled crack into America, and give guns to Mexican drug cartels....

There is a long and expanding history of American tax payer dollars being used to help certain people get rich off of illicit drug sales.

Gang violence has been a part of some Los Angeles neighborhoods for decades, but it wasn’t until the 1980’s that gang members saw their biggest money making opportunity with crack cocaine. Little did they know that the CIA was using them as pawns in a larger scheme by allowing the more affordable drug to come into their neighborhood.

Freeway Ricky Ross, one of America’s biggest drug dealers, unwittingly became a main player in the Central American drug connection, which sent millions of American dollars in drug money to Nicaragua.The CIA’s plan was to promote and finance the Contra revolutionary group, which was trying to depose the Socialist Sandinista government in the Central American country.

“Russia had given the Sandinistas a hundred million dollars to fight with. Congress had cut off all the money from the contras, so now, the Sandinistas had the advantage,” said Ricky Ross.

President Ronald Reagan and then Vice President George H. W. Bush fretted over Soviet influence in Nicaragua.

“They would be in our backyard.I believe that they felt it was more valuable to sacrifice a particular sector of America, and a race of people in America in order to save the whole country,” said Ross.

Former LAPD detective and author Michael Ruppert has written extensively about the government’s involvement in drug trafficking around the world.He says politics isn’t the only motive.

“The control of the cash from the drug trade is of vital importance to wall street, because drug profits are laundered under corporations and banks net profits,” said Ruppert.

The CIA’s policy of looking the other way wasn’t just for the benefit of big business or crushing revolutionary movements abroad.Domestically, drugs and drug lords were used to quell black activist movements that challenged the status quo.

Link: http://rt.com/usa/usa-cia-drugs-poor-americas/

[Babe Ruth]

but Webster is not law. It's just a privately created book. So basically it has no relevance.

I never said it was law. ? brought up Title 18, I did not.

I merely pointed out that there are 2 separate things--the unconvicted, plain vanilla FELON (which Webster's defines clearly), and the CONVICTED FELON, convicted in a court of law.

? has trouble discerning between the two for some strange reason. Seems rather simple to me.

[Tiggs]

I think it's sad and disturbing, that the same government who is using the NSA to spy on innocent, American citizens and then gives the info to the DEA

They're highly unlikely to be innocent if their info has been passed to the DEA.

also the same goons who funneled crack into America

Give or take a few decades.

I find it interesting that you're aware that Saint Reagan used drug money to fund terrorism, and yet aren't able to put two and two together to work out why the NSA, when investigating terrorism, might occasionally find the need to tip off the DEA.

Here's a clue: It has to do with funding terrorism by importing drugs, the main source of income for terrorists.

and give guns to Mexican drug cartels....

A sting operation isn't the same as purposefully arming a drug cartel.

[questionmark]

I never said it was law. ? brought up Title 18, I did not.

I merely pointed out that there are 2 separate things--the unconvicted, plain vanilla FELON (which Webster's defines clearly), and the CONVICTED FELON, convicted in a court of law.

? has trouble discerning between the two for some strange reason. Seems rather simple to me.

Because by taking your attitude you are furthering something that is as anti-American as King George, precisely: "Everybody is guilty unless otherwise demonstrated". The American way is that everybody is innocent unless convicted by a court of law.

[Space Commander Travis]

They're highly unlikely to be innocent if their info has been passed to the DEA.

Give or take a few decades.

I find it interesting that you're aware that Saint Reagan used drug money to fund terrorism, and yet aren't able to put two and two together to work out why the NSA, when investigating terrorism, might occasionally find the need to tip off the DEA.

Here's a clue: It has to do with funding terrorism by importing drugs, the main source of income for terrorists.

Oh really, so this is the official line now is it? Don't do Drugs , kids, you're supporting the Terrorists! Kills two of the great bogeymen with one stone.

[Tiggs]

Oh really, so this is the official line now is it? Don't do Drugs , kids, you're supporting the Terrorists! Kills two of the great bogeymen with one stone.

Where do you think terrorists get their money from? You think those poppy fields in Afghanistan are just for Veteran's day?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20073655-503543.html

[Kowalski]

Where do you think terrorists get their money from? You think those poppy fields in Afghanistan are just for Veteran's day?

http://www.cbsnews.c...655-503543.html

And our government has soldiers that guard those poppy fields....

Link: http://truedemocracy...lling-soldiers/

The War on Terror is a sham. We are just here to guard Drugs for the CIA and Bankers. The American People need to be told.

Two days later Pat Tillman was dead. Executed by 3 shots to the forehead at close range, from a NATO Rifle.

If you are guarding (Opium) Poppy Fields, and you complain, you are “Suicided”

The Taliban Destroyed all the Poppy fields. It was corrupting their country and their youth.

This caused the US Bankers and New York Bankers, to lose $300 million a month in Drug Money.

BTW, the CIA are the ones funding the terrorists, not drug sales....

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[Tiggs]

BTW, the CIA are the ones funding the terrorists, not drug sales....

Conspiracy section is over that-a-way, Kowalski.

* Points *

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[Kowalski]

For those of you who want to live in a state of denial about what "The War on Terror" and "War on Drugs" are actually about this video is dedicated to you:

Conspiracy section is over that-a-way, Kowalski.

* Points *

Yes, sir...

*walks over to the conspiracy section*

[Tiggs]

For those of you who want to live in a state of denial about what "The War on Terror" and "War on Drugs" are actually about this video is dedicated to you:

Alternately, here's the New York Times, with their non-tinfoil edition of history of poppies in Afghanistan:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/world/asia/drug-traffic-remains-as-us-nears-afghanistan-exit.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

[Space Commander Travis]

if one doesn't want something to be true, then it can be labelled a Conspiracy theory, and thereby ignored?

[Tiggs]

if one doesn't want something to be true, then it can be labelled a Conspiracy theory, and thereby ignored?

I wouldn't know. Last time I checked, I post in the conspiracy forums far more than anywhere else, these days.

[Skep B]

And they can claim credit for that, can they? ok. Are you happy with the original subject of this Thread, the Spooks reporting any misdemeanors they might pick up to the Authorities, or is it just the Terrorist Menace that you're worried about?

Yep, I'm fine with it. Assumed government agencies worked together anyways.

They're more effective if they do.

[Babe Ruth]

Because by taking your attitude you are furthering something that is as anti-American as King George, precisely: "Everybody is guilty unless otherwise demonstrated". The American way is that everybody is innocent unless convicted by a court of law.

You are not NEARLY as perceptive as I had previously thought you were.

3 times at least on this thread I have already stated that I understand and support the principle of presumption of innocence.

We are talking plain and simple english here, with a bit of conceptual thinking involved too.

Tell it to some woman who has been raped that her rapist is not really a felon or rapist because he was not caught. Tell it to a merchant who has been robbed that the robber really AIN'T a felon because he got away. Egads man.

[Babe Ruth]

Kowalski

State of denial? Heck, I deny that it exists! ;-)

My bet is that some posters here will deny that Colin Powell hand-carried a check from the US government to the Taliban in April 2001 for its great cooperation in the war on drugs. Through strict application of Sharia Law, they had reduced the output of poppies and opium in Afghanistan to ZERO. Big photo op, Colin and the boys, celebrating huge success in Afghanistan's front of the WOD.

Trouble was those in the Cocaine Importing Agency who played the game were hurting, as far as the opium business went. 6 months later we invade the country, and about a year or so after that invasion, Afghanistan opium production leads the world.

Average american never knew that happened, but those of us who have been keeping up know darn well what happened, and why. Alfred McCoy has been writing about CIA involvment in the drug business since the 60's. They wrote a book about the Nugan-Hand Bank in Australia, a CIA bank, maybe the forerunner of BCCI years later.

You're right Kowalski.

[Kowalski]

Kowalski

State of denial? Heck, I deny that it exists! ;-)

My bet is that some posters here will deny that Colin Powell hand-carried a check from the US government to the Taliban in April 2001 for its great cooperation in the war on drugs. Through strict application of Sharia Law, they had reduced the output of poppies and opium in Afghanistan to ZERO. Big photo op, Colin and the boys, celebrating huge success in Afghanistan's front of the WOD.

Trouble was those in the Cocaine Importing Agency who played the game were hurting, as far as the opium business went. 6 months later we invade the country, and about a year or so after that invasion, Afghanistan opium production leads the world.

Average american never knew that happened, but those of us who have been keeping up know darn well what happened, and why. Alfred McCoy has been writing about CIA involvment in the drug business since the 60's. They wrote a book about the Nugan-Hand Bank in Australia, a CIA bank, maybe the forerunner of BCCI years later.

You're right Kowalski.

Thanks!

Geraldo on Fox covers how we have to guard the poppies so al-CIA-da gets the opium and not Al-queda. The CIA is selling the opium in China, Russia, and Iran. They get the double benefit of funding their black operations, and also destabilization of the cultural cohesion of political adversaries. Sound familiar, it should. Research the Chinese Opium wars to see how Anglo central bankers use this strategy so well, and for so long now. Remember, kids, don't do the bankers drugs. Ever wondered if bankers own the prison systems? And the mercenary armies? And the top stripes of the standing armies (ouch)? And of course Congress, president, and almost everything you see, hear, or read. Ever wonder who Jaime Diamond or Loyd Blankfein answer to? Who owns the controlling shares in the private Federal Reserve Bank? Funding both sides of every war and conflict sure must be good business. Ensuring reasonable causation for war, as a hedge to ensure losing parties pay up, is also good business. Imagine funding a group to stage an attack or an incident so that you can benefit from the timing by offering an even somewhat plausible, preplanned response that gives you power and money. Wow, it seems like just maybe the central bankers are the same bankers that own Wall street. (Bernie Madoff was the inventor of the Nasdaq Stock Exchange,but he isn't the the inventor of debt slavery!) This simple formula has enslaved the bodies and minds of man for thousands of years, and it's time it stopped. We need to break our conditioning. Stop being the universal soldier who dies for banking profit, thinking he has made a difference. Stop letting them take over our countries by controlling our currencies. We must back our currency and print our own money.. As Jefferson said," If you ever let the central banks take control of a nations currency, first through inflation, then deflation, they will extract the weatlh of that nation until one day you wake up homeless on the continent your forefathers conquered."

Also remember, Bankster Extrordinaire, Emsel De Rothschild favorite smug quote, " Give me control of a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_54LJMwG4E

[Space Commander Travis]

Yep, I'm fine with it. Assumed government agencies worked together anyways.

They're more effective if they do.

Well, that would be a breakthrough if they did, bearing in mind how the U.S. Govt. under Pres. GWB made such efficient use of the intelligence telling them something was in the works long before 9/11 ... And i somehow doubt that things have got significantly more efficient since then. I think this is very much the Spooks trying to justify their enormous budgets by trying to do something that might get some kind of results, whether or not it has anything at all to do with Preventing Terrorism.

[Skep B]

given that we haven't had another 9/11 since 9/11, I'd say that meas that they have gotten better at their jobs.

[Space Commander Travis]

given that we haven't had another 9/11 since 9/11, I'd say that meas that they have gotten better at their jobs.

Are they so good that they can spare the time from their constant vigilance to eavesdrop on everybody, and snitch on them to the law Enforcement if they spot any Wrongdoing, or might they be better concentrating their efforts on doing something more worthwhile, such as keeping an eye on suspected Terrorists, rather than being the Big Brother who is watching you?

[Skep B]

The lack of terrorist attacks on a massive scale in our country indicates they're doing fine

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[Space Commander Travis]

The lack of terrorist attacks on a massive scale in our country indicates they're doing fine

So it's necessary to have a vast apparatus of state to Protect everyone, and the fact that this vast apparatus never seems to actually accomplish anything (e.g. by catching any Terrorists) is because they're doing their job so well? They didn't seem to pick up Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, did they, more's the pity.