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spacecowboy342

That sounds reasonable but you might also be painting an unfair picture of free enterprise. The free market is all of us. Whatever you choose to do with your freedom is part of it. The opinions you're expressing here are part of it. Maybe starting a charity or doing charitable work for a cause you believe in would put action to your sentiments. It doesn't matter what people call you. It doesn't matter what people say. While they're just saying, you'll be doing. Your actions don't have to be filtered through the bogus left-right paradigm or by politics. Don't be embittered by groupthink or let labels hold sway over you. Free yourself from all the political traps people fall into. Grow a garden and help feed your community. Save the whales, or save those snails. It doesn't matter what you do. If we drive ourselves with passion and follow our own hearts, we'll want some recognition and we'll deserve it too.

Perhaps you are right. I do help people when I can with my time at least as I am not rich and have a family of my own to support, and again I am not trying to say free enterprise is wrong per se no matter how I am being painted as some communist. I said before that excellence and enterprise should be rewarded, but it seems the rest of the free world manages to care for their poor. Are Canada, great Britain, France etc. communist dictatorships? I don't think so. Yes they pay more in taxes but they seem to get by. Perhaps I am wrong and all should seek to take care of themselves. It would be nice if all could. Everyone can't be successful. No matter what someone will be poor. I don't claim to have all the answers but is the lifestyle for the poor as depicted in a Dickens novel really the best we can do? Can we not at least make sure no one goes hungry and all have medical care, even the lazy and worthless? Maybe that is too much to ask. Just seems like a shame

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spacecowboy342

I said before that I do not have all the answers and that there is going to be circumstances that pop up that have to be handled individually.

I still believe that true freedom holds all the answers....just let people do what they need to do. Don't call their trade illegal, don't tax them to death, don't require huge costs to get started and people can and will find a way.

We see sad pictures of suffering in places in Africa....why is that?....mainly...because their GOV is corrupt. If they could just go out and dig some dirt and sell the diamonds they find...this would not be the case...but they can't.

Corruption and over control is the heart of the problem.

Those that are in the drivers seat like being there and don't want to hand it over....those that have money are afraid that they might lose it unless they lobby the GOV to make competition impossible...stop and think for a minute. There are certain things people could do for themselves...but amazingly...their are laws saying they cannot....it's all about reducing competition...a captive market is everyone's dream....

Corruption....that is the problem....and freedom is the answer.... to nearly all our woes...

In a free world, people have more money in their pocket and feel a LOT more charitable....No one would starve in a truly free society where people are in charge of their own fate...."I choose to take some of my "extra money" and give it to that guy"....but we don't get to do that....the GOV takes it by force and then wastes most of it....

You do make good points. Perhaps my issue with this is trust. Trust that those who manipulate the system to amass greater and greater wealth will ever help the unfortunate. I know many rich are philanthopists who do wonderful things even if only for tax write offs and not altruism and I applaud those who do. I'm sure in the political climate of today your ideas will be put to the test as liberalism has definitely become a bad word. I sincerely hope you are correct

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Gunn

@Spacecowboy342

Action speaks louder than words. If I were you, I wouldn't waste my time arguing on forums about "the haves and the have nots". This will accomplish nothing and cause you stress and resentment in the long run, which you probably don't need in your life. Your best bet, is to go out a support those who are fighting corporate greed and poverty. Boycott companies you think are unfair to workers. Help protest with workers when they go on strike against the company they work for. And of course, help those in need when ever you can, donations, charity, or simply your support will do.

Taking action can do far more than just debating the wrongs and rights of a social problem on the internet. Some things are best left unsaid and action gets the message across more clearly, especially when it costs corporations their daily million dollar quota. When it comes to money and corporations, losing large amounts of money is all that they understand; that is how you make them listen. Otherwise, your views and opinions just fall on ( their ) deaf ears.

Money talks, everything else walks.

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spacecowboy342

@Spacecowboy342

Action speaks louder than words. If I were you, I wouldn't waste my time arguing on forums about "the haves and the have nots". This will accomplish nothing and cause you stress and resentment in the long run, which you probably don't need in your life. Your best bet, is to go out a support those who are fighting corporate greed and poverty. Boycott companies you think are unfair to workers. Help protest with workers when they go on strike against the company they work for. And of course, help those in need when ever you can, donations, charity, or simply your support will do.

Taking action can do far more than just debating the wrongs and rights of a social problem on the internet. Some things are best left unsaid and action gets the message across more clearly, especially when it costs corporations their daily million dollar quota. When it comes to money and corporations, losing large amounts of money is all that they understand; that is how you make them listen. Otherwise, your views and opinions just fall on ( their ) deaf ears.

Money talks, everything else walks.

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I can't really argue against the wisdom of you words except I have actually little time and money to give and as someone once said the pen( or in this case the keyboard ) is mightier than the sword. I have no illusions about my words changing anyone's mind who is set in an opposing view, but maybe, just maybe, they could influence someone on the fence with more influence or power or eloquence to become involved and effect change. From tiny acorns mighty oak trees grow. As far as stress and resentment, anyone expressing contrary views to mine, no matter how critical and scathing really don't have that much power over my life but thank you for your advice

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So anyone who is unsuccessful has surrendered control? There is no such thing as circumstances beyond your control?

Ultimately yes. There are circumstances beyond one’s control that throws one into a particular situation, but that doesn’t mean that that person must accept it and stay in that situation. Unless of course, they give up and surrender their Natural Rights. If life gives you lemons then make lemonade! Just a few days ago, we marked the 50th anniversary of MLK. One of the speeches that were highlighted was this one:

“If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as a Michaelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well.”

The bottom line is that it doesn’t matter what situation you find yourself in at the beginning but the journey that brings you to your final destination. If that journey is to surrender, then your final destination is to accept what someone else determines is right for you.

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spacecowboy342

Ultimately yes. There are circumstances beyond one's control that throws one into a particular situation, but that doesn't mean that that person must accept it and stay in that situation. Unless of course, they give up and surrender their Natural Rights. If life gives you lemons then make lemonade! Just a few days ago, we marked the 50th anniversary of MLK. One of the speeches that were highlighted was this one:

"If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as a Michaelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well."

The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what situation you find yourself in at the beginning but the journey that brings you to your final destination. If that journey is to surrender, then your final destination is to accept what someone else determines is right for you.

I grant that you make a valid point. I have lived my own life by such rules. But everyone does not possess my will or strength of character. I am a welder by trade and I do try to be the best welder I can be. But if someone doesn't have the self possession or character to live by these rules or perhaps just don't realize these possibilities should they just be thrown away? I can agree that it would be better if all would strive with ever fiber of their being to better themselves in all ways but who really does that? Look I agree that the welfare state is bad, I just think to let people fend for themselves when they may just not have what it takes to succeed is worse, and there are those who truly need help and I would rather someone undeserving get help than see one of those have help denied. I'm not looking for any socialist utopia, but I sincerely believe that social Darwinism is wrong. I think in America no one should go hungry or be denied medical care. It seems the banks and insurance companies actually run this country and I don't like it. If you want to call me a socialist or a communist for that go ahead. Believe me I've been called worse. What would your plan be? Cut off all food programs all education funding and let the market decide everything and imprison those who for whatever reason can't find work and resort to crime? Privatize prisons so they make a profit so there is an economic reason to imprison more and more? How is this different than the nazi slave labor camps? Is this your utopia? I'm not an educated man, I have no degree in economic or political science. I am merely speaking from my heart. Trying to give an alternative view to those who say 47% of Americans are lazy freeloaders as this does not match my observation
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Yamato

People need clothing more than they need education. We can't go around naked, no matter where we go to school or learn a skill. If we can't afford a few dollars for condoms as the federal government already thinks, we obviously can't afford four dollars for a t-shirt or six dollars for a pair of shorts at Walmart either.

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spacecowboy342

People need clothing more than they need education. We can't go around naked, no matter where we go to school or learn a skill. If we can't afford a few dollars for condoms as the federal government already thinks, we obviously can't afford four dollars for a t-shirt or six dollars for a pair of shorts at Walmart either.

Good point however with job skills clothes money can be earned

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