Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 6, 2013 #1 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) Britain? It's just a small island no-one pays any attention to Vladimir Putin mocked the UK's size and influence on the world stage Government spokesman boasts that Soviet oligarchs had 'bought Chelsea' G20 summit descends into acrimony over military strikes on Syria Chancellor George Osborne insists Britain is still 'setting the agenda' http://www.dailymail...ck-Britain.html Edited September 6, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfin Posted September 6, 2013 #2 Share Posted September 6, 2013 It's not true. Britain is actually quite a large island, as islands go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 6, 2013 Author #3 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I think Russians want to describe how irelevant you are. Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted September 6, 2013 #4 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) I think Russians want to describe how irelevant you are. Big Bad Voodoo war propaganda plain and simple other thread talking about it... http://www.unexplain...howtopic=254125 to clarify... I mean it is the British newspapers indulging in war propaganda.... . . Edited September 6, 2013 by bee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 6, 2013 Author #5 Share Posted September 6, 2013 war propaganda plain and simple other thread talking about it... http://www.unexplain...howtopic=254125 to clarify... I mean it is the British newspapers indulging in war propaganda.... . . You mean anti war propaganda? I was under impression that Russians are against war while British are for attack on Syria? I could be disinformed. Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaa-Tzik Posted September 6, 2013 #6 Share Posted September 6, 2013 People do pay attention to the UK. Plenty want to emmigrate to the UK, and many many more emulate British tastes, and not just in the ex Empire countries. I think people have been paying attention to Britain since Elisabeth I, though I think historians in the future may say that Britain's time was encapsulated between the two Elisabeth's. Even so, Britain has made a huge impact on world history and that cannot be overlooked. Perhaps it is best to ask countries like Poland, Croatia, Bosnia, Sierra Leone and many others about Britain, and not the old enemies, though of course Britain is popular with Japan, and I know from personal experience that generaly the German people also have no problem. It's sometimes a matter of embarresment that the feelings are not so much reciprocated from the British side, particulary the media. So I think the OP is wrong, at the moment. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 6, 2013 Author #7 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) People do pay attention to the UK. Plenty want to emmigrate to the UK, and many many more emulate British tastes, and not just in the ex Empire countries. I think people have been paying attention to Britain since Elisabeth I, though I think historians in the future may say that Britain's time was encapsulated between the two Elisabeth's. Even so, Britain has made a huge impact on world history and that cannot be overlooked. Perhaps it is best to ask countries like Poland, Croatia, Bosnia, Sierra Leone and many others about Britain, and not the old enemies, though of course Britain is popular with Japan, and I know from personal experience that generaly the German people also have no problem. It's sometimes a matter of embarresment that the feelings are not so much reciprocated from the British side, particulary the media. So I think the OP is wrong, at the moment. Thats history. Also I dont know what should we ask Croatia about Britain. I dont think your goverment is very popular in Croatia. In fact many dont like your goverment while they like people, landscape, language, customs, football, music, beers...For obvious reason. UK was against Croatia during indenpendence war. Not because your goverment have something special against Croatia but because your governement have allies Serbs, with whom Croatia have had war. But USA choose Croatia side for also obvious reasons. Your impact on Croatia was melted. And crushed by your own allies-USA and will of Croats. Thankfully. You simply choose wrong allies. You should look to France who also abandon Serbs and seek in Croatia for regional allies. Same as Germany, Japan, USA etc. Big Bad Voodoo Edited September 6, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted September 6, 2013 #8 Share Posted September 6, 2013 and long may we remain a small island. just think what we've achieved as a small Island, now imagine what we would have achieved if we was a tiny island, wow. scary stuff. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 6, 2013 Author #9 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) and long may we remain a small island. just think what we've achieved as a small Island, now imagine what we would have achieved if we was a tiny island, wow. scary stuff. No one say word about your historical achivements. British empire was great empire. With own problems as slavery and racial thought. But also bunch of positive things. Anyway, thats history. It is amazing. But what about now? Are Russians right? Brazil, Russia, India, China, Japan, Germany, USA are powers. I also think that British loose power. UK is factor. No doubt. But not as they used to be. Big Bad Voodoo Edited September 6, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Gazer Posted September 6, 2013 #10 Share Posted September 6, 2013 My country is bigger than your country.... and my dad can fight your dad and he'll win! Obama and Putin had to be sat at opposite ends of the table? Seriously..... sounds like a school ground fight!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshadow60 Posted September 6, 2013 #11 Share Posted September 6, 2013 and long may we remain a small island. just think what we've achieved as a small Island, now imagine what we would have achieved if we was a tiny island, wow. scary stuff. God bless her; long may there be an England! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaa-Tzik Posted September 6, 2013 #12 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) Thats history. Also I dont know what should we ask Croatia about Britain. I dont think your goverment is very popular in Croatia. In fact many dont like your goverment while they like people, landscape, language, customs, football, music, beers...For obvious reason. UK was against Croatia during indenpendence war. Not because your goverment have something special against Croatia but because your governement have allies Serbs, with whom Croatia have had war. But USA choose Croatia side for also obvious reasons. Your impact on Croatia was melted. And crushed by your own allies-USA and will of Croats. Thankfully. You simply choose wrong allies. You should look to France who also abandon Serbs and seek in Croatia for regional allies. Same as Germany, Japan, USA etc. Big Bad Voodoo Last time I checked Britain was not an ally of Serbia and never have been. Perhaps you should ask the British troops who served in Bosnia and Kosovo about this. And you seem to be a Russian supporting Croat, so I think a dialogue between you and Helen of Annoy would be entertaining, particulary as it's been rather quite around here of late. Edited September 6, 2013 by Kaa-Tzik 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrant lizard Posted September 6, 2013 #13 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) No one say word about your historical achivements. British empire was great empire. With own problems as slavery and racial thought. But also bunch of positive things. Anyway, thats history. It is amazing. But what about now? Are Russians right? Brazil, Russia, India, China, Japan, Germany, USA are powers. I also think that British loose power. UK is factor. No doubt. But not as they used to be. Big Bad Voodoo Britain has always been a small Island, but that didn't stop us forging one of the largest empires ever. The size of our land mass doesn't matter. We have more than 60 million people living here. We still have 54 member states of the commonwealth (pop. over 2 billion), the best trained military in the world and one of the worlds largest nuclear arsenals. Britain is still relevant. Edited September 6, 2013 by tyrant lizard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevewinn Posted September 6, 2013 Popular Post #14 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) No one say word about your historical achivements. British empire was great empire. With own problems as slavery and racial thought. But also bunch of positive things. Anyway, thats history. It is amazing. But what about now? Are Russians right? Brazil, Russia, India, China, Japan, Germany, USA are powers. I also think that British loose power. UK is factor. No doubt. But not as they used to be. Big Bad Voodoo it's rather funny how people perceive our modern day role. Russia says we are a small island no one listens to', they say this because were taking a leading role at the G20 banging the drum - keeping the Syria issue on the table - something the host Russia is trying avoid. Russia's hosting is not going exactly to plan - embarrassingly for Russia the G20 is being dominated not by Putin but in part by a small island in the North Atlantic called the united kingdom the same small island no-one listens to yet the whole room seems to be listening. this little jibe at us from Russia tells us we are doing something right. it's also odd that we're a small nation that no one listens to, but yet all the commentary seems to be that the "no" vote on Syria last week in our little parliament has derailed the American and French determination to attack. listen, the UK with a small landmass and a small population of 60million. maintains a place in the world higher than Russia. what more needs to be said. i think its a sad day indeed if we start questioning ourself, when we've had national stability for over 306 years, compared to Russia's 22 years. United Kingdom classed as Great power. Parliamentary Democracy. Fifth Largest economy in the world (out of 192 countries) The worlds largest financial centre. (London) only two others exist in the world - New York and Tokyo Member of the Common Wealth. permanent seat on the UN security council. major signatory of all international laws and treaties. NATO Member. EU Member. Member of the G7, G8, G20 Member of world trade Organisation. Nuclear state. Science and Technology (we rank third and second in the world) The world wide web - inventor was British. Art Culture, Media, TV, Architecture, Philosophy. Sport all exported around the globe. Language, English is spoken in more countries around the world than any other language. classified as the official language of more countries than any other language. 4th Largest expenditure on military in the world. Second largest Navy in the world. - blue water - of which there is only three, US, UK and France. Ability to project force around the world. Protects 87% of the worlds trade - Shipping lanes. And the list goes on and on, all the above is modern day - current, up-to date. add in our History and we'd be here all week. - not bad for a little Island. i ask who and how many can hold a candle to that? we have a terrible psyche here in the UK we continually run ourselves down. doubt ourselves, and yet we continue to have a defining role in the world. we just need to do something which isnt very British and thats wave our flag get that national pride out there, and realise we aint a bad country - we need to hear that Roar from time to time and say yes. we can and do hold our own in the modern world and we'll continue to do so. we'll do what we've always done over the centuries we'll - Endure. Edited September 6, 2013 by stevewinn 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted September 6, 2013 #15 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Thats history. Also I dont know what should we ask Croatia about Britain. I dont think your goverment is very popular in Croatia. In fact many dont like your goverment while they like people, landscape, language, customs, football, music, beers...For obvious reason. UK was against Croatia during indenpendence war. Not because your goverment have something special against Croatia but because your governement have allies Serbs, with whom Croatia have had war. But USA choose Croatia side for also obvious reasons. Your impact on Croatia was melted. And crushed by your own allies-USA and will of Croats. Thankfully. You simply choose wrong allies. You should look to France who also abandon Serbs and seek in Croatia for regional allies. Same as Germany, Japan, USA etc. Big Bad Voodoo First, Putin is a dushbag. Second, Britain might be small compared to russia but as they say, it is not the size, its how you use it. I love Britain, love the people, the history, most of all the old pubs. But, you are right regarding Britains government during the balkan wars. They sided with the serbs. But not the people. They new. Britain and France, read gevernment, had a good relationship with russia, the main supporter of Milosevic. Both countries sabotaged every attempt of USA to attack the serbian position and end the genozide in Croatia and Bosnia. That costed C and B dearly. Anyway, I used to be angry about that but not anymore. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabby Kitten Posted September 6, 2013 #16 Share Posted September 6, 2013 For a small island it's had such an major influence on the world and not to mention it had a vast empire! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 6, 2013 Author #17 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) Last time I checked Britain was not an ally of Serbia and never have been. Perhaps you should ask the British troops who served in Bosnia and Kosovo about this. And you seem to be a Russian supporting Croat, so I think a dialogue between you and Helen of Annoy would be entertaining, particulary as it's been rather quite around here of late. Well you didnt checked well. Im not Russian supporting anything. I like history of Soviet union and thats it. Also like Boyars. Same as I like Ancient Egypt. I dont wont to turn this thread into England Balkan thing. But if you desire so I will proove you otherwise. Holland, Norway, Britain, France, Russia from start of Yugoslavia wars were for Serbs. Later that change because they saw what was realy happening. And because USA, Vatican, Austria, Germany, etc. hold Croatian side. But when British saw that USA choose Croatian interests over UK that was a crucial point when British start to change policy. They knew they lost their plans. They are weak to fight politicly USA and Germany. About Helen, so far as I debated with her only on two things we dont agree. And those are- origin of Bosniaks and who are rebels in Syria. On all others we agree 100%. So...I like to focus on positive things. If you focus on negative things you would not have friends. Big Bad Voodoo edit: And we debated a lot. Edited September 6, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 6, 2013 Author #18 Share Posted September 6, 2013 First, Putin is a dushbag. Second, Britain might be small compared to russia but as they say, it is not the size, its how you use it. I love Britain, love the people, the history, most of all the old pubs. But, you are right regarding Britains government during the balkan wars. They sided with the serbs. But not the people. They new. Britain and France, read gevernment, had a good relationship with russia, the main supporter of Milosevic. Both countries sabotaged every attempt of USA to attack the serbian position and end the genozide in Croatia and Bosnia. That costed C and B dearly. Anyway, I used to be angry about that but not anymore. I think that birds on tree knows that my odas. Sadly for British goverment their plans were melted. Also ,I too like British culture. Common people didnt know what was happening. Even in today british media we dont see all news about Croatia which every other country announced. But we touch history and Balkan here. I think some members here (British) are not naive or anything. They are just not informed. Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfin Posted September 6, 2013 #19 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I think the British are loved around the world for their warm friendly manner and their open welcoming nature, their cuisine, and their self-deprecating sense of humour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted September 6, 2013 #20 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I think the British are loved around the world for their warm friendly manner and their open welcoming nature, their cuisine, and their self-deprecating sense of humour. Not to mention their humility. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 6, 2013 Author #21 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Hi Stevo! I disagree with you that British are greater Economic power then Russia.I would like to know where you conclude that British are 5th economy of the world? Thats hilarious. I think that British are not that BIG economic power at all. You stated that having democracy made you power. Thats nothing. And no-London is not largest financial centre whatsoever.New York is biggest I think. You ignored Frankfurt, Paris, Hong Kong, Bombay, Mumbai, Amsterdam, Sao Paolo, Seoul and Zurich. What does it mean member of common wealth. Thats legacy of British empire which is what Im talking about, Many nations are EU members, NATO members, WTO members.As Croatia. Does that mean that we are power? No. And Pakistan is also Nuclear state. Is Pakistan power? About your ranking in science I dont have clue what you talking about. But it looks funny. No offence. And...what about invention of WWW? I dont see any point why you said that at all. Your culture is not worthy more of Chinese culture. Your media isnt worthy more then French media. Your architecture isnt worthy more then others. Your sports also doesnt made you super power. And sorry Chinese and Spanish are most spoken languages. I dont know where you got this info about English language. Ability to project force around world? On that we could debate. Anyway, thats your view. Truth is something quite different. Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 6, 2013 Author #22 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I think the British are loved around the world for their warm friendly manner and their open welcoming nature, their cuisine, and their self-deprecating sense of humour. No doubt. I like football a lot. Fans are great. Beers. I like culture. Customs, language, landscape, people, tradition, tea, humour. Its all good. But I think that British loosing leadership of world super powers. Oh I like music a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSS Posted September 6, 2013 #23 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) Hi Stevo! I disagree with you that British are greater Economic power then Russia.I would like to know where you conclude that British are 5th economy of the world? Thats hilarious. I think that British are not that BIG economic power at all. You stated that having democracy made you power. Thats nothing. And no-London is not largest financial centre whatsoever.New York is biggest I think. You ignored Frankfurt, Paris, Hong Kong, Bombay, Mumbai, Amsterdam, Sao Paolo, Seoul and Zurich. What does it mean member of common wealth. Thats legacy of British empire which is what Im talking about, Many nations are EU members, NATO members, WTO members.As Croatia. Does that mean that we are power? No. And Pakistan is also Nuclear state. Is Pakistan power? About your ranking in science I dont have clue what you talking about. But it looks funny. No offence. And...what about invention of WWW? I dont see any point why you said that at all. Your culture is not worthy more of Chinese culture. Your media isnt worthy more then French media. Your architecture isnt worthy more then others. Your sports also doesnt made you super power. And sorry Chinese and Spanish are most spoken languages. I dont know where you got this info about English language. Ability to project force around world? On that we could debate. Anyway, thats your view. Truth is something quite different. Big Bad Voodoo No offence BBV, but google is your friend, and most of the things you have posted you could have easily looked up. For example, as of March 2013 the Global Financial Centers Index listed London as number 1. Our regulation makes it easier to move money you see Spanish is not more commonly spoken then English, it has only half the amount of English peakers (500 million against 1000 million), of which English is second only to Chinese. Our nuclear arsenal has to be taken into account along side other means of exercising influence, of which our strategically placed listening posts around the globe are of use to many people and the information gained from these is of use to many nations. If you look through the rest of what you said you'll see the same errors - media for example, how is the BBC world service surpassed by the french exactly? Edited September 6, 2013 by Sky Scanner 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 6, 2013 Author #24 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) No offence BBV, but google is your friend, and most of the things you have posted you could have easily looked up. For example, as of March 2013 the Global Financial Centers Index listed London as number 1. Our regulation makes it easier to move money you see Spanish is not more commonly spoken then English, it has only half the amount of English peakers (500 million against 1000 million), of which English is second only to Chinese. Our nuclear arsenal has to be taken into account along side of other means of exercising influence, of which our strategically placed listening posts around the globe are of use to many people and the information gained from these is of use to many nations. If you look through the rest of what you said you'll see the same errors - media for example, how is the BBC world service surpassed by the french exactly? Call me rather Voodoo. Yes Skyscanner, economy isnt exact science. Its constantly changing. Its not like you doing experiment in lab. GDP for instance isnt ultimate messure. Many things must took into account. Many. Germany, China, Brazil, Russia, India, Japan are economic powers. Not UK. Sure you have huge economy but its not something superpowers cared about. Media isnt just BBC. Media is music, movies.... Al jazeera is also media. Media have power. But superpowers dont care about British media at all. Its irelavnt. I didnt made errors at all. Yes you can pump your muscles because you are nuke power, but when you stumble upoun nation who is also nuke power you are irelvant. Like to Russia, China or India. And maybe Brazil.(?) And yes, google is my friend. http://en.wikipedia....native_speakers Big Bad Voodoo edit: No offence taken. Edited September 6, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 6, 2013 Author #25 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) We all know who is boss in Europe? And that isnt UK. How will you be boss in the world when you are not in own house?! Imho. Big Bad Voodoo Edited September 6, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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