ambelamba Posted September 20, 2013 #1 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Surely I believe that evolution explains a lot of things about life on earth. Except for certain aspect of human origin. We are too vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil to be the results of purely natural evolution. But if there's any design process involved with our orign, he must be one sick jerk because our mind has too many flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darkmoonlady Posted September 20, 2013 Popular Post #2 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Natural evolution is all those things and more. To think that humans are somehow outside of that process is to forget how it works in the first place. Look at the way that every species struggles for survival and you will see all the "horrible" things humans do every day that considered evil. If we had to walk out and kill every morning to survive and eat would that make us more horrible or more in tune with nature because that is what apex hunters like lions and killer whales do every day. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted September 20, 2013 #3 Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) Yeah, now "modern" society just "hunts" at Taco Bell, Subway, McDonalds, a favorite restaurant, a grocery store, etc... Edited September 20, 2013 by pallidin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted September 20, 2013 #4 Share Posted September 20, 2013 All living beings, no matter if plant, protozoa, bacteria or vertebrate are selfish. Most are not vile because they don't understand the concept (which is precondition to being vile). And every species tries to be dominant in its environment. Some are more successful than others though. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted September 20, 2013 #5 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Surely I believe that evolution explains a lot of things about life on earth. Except for certain aspect of human origin. We are too vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil to be the results of purely natural evolution. But if there's any design process involved with our orign, he must be one sick jerk because our mind has too many flaws. Loathing doesn't solve anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted September 20, 2013 #6 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Railing against God once again? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted September 20, 2013 #7 Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) Surely selfishness is an intrinsic part of Darwinian evolution, isn't that what it's all about? So it's not a design error by God, it's the natural result of evolution. Edited September 20, 2013 by Colonel Rhuairidh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted September 20, 2013 #8 Share Posted September 20, 2013 We are too vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil to be the results of purely natural evolution. But if there's any design process involved with our orign, he must be one sick jerk because our mind has too many flaws. Much of our greed and selfishness can be explained as being derived from our need to survive. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willowdreams Posted September 20, 2013 #9 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I do not think it is just humans. The whole of evolution can be considered egotistical.. selfish.. survival of the fittest. Just to explain it with something we ALL are familiar with. ants 1. they wage war 2. they enslave other ants and will work them to death 3. they farmed long before humans look them up evolution is not about survival of the nicest species, it is about survival of the fittest, and there is no guarentee humans will be the winner in all this 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambelamba Posted September 20, 2013 Author #10 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Honestly I have no idea where to point the finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted September 20, 2013 #11 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I do not think it is just humans. The whole of evolution can be considered egotistical.. selfish.. survival of the fittest. Just to explain it with something we ALL are familiar with. ants 1. they wage war 2. they enslave other ants and will work them to death 3. they farmed long before humans look them up evolution is not about survival of the nicest species, it is about survival of the fittest, and there is no guarentee humans will be the winner in all this there's one crawling about on the screen now, in fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willowdreams Posted September 20, 2013 #12 Share Posted September 20, 2013 there's one crawling about on the screen now, in fact. yup.. i managed to capture one ant and enslave it to be my sig... survival of the fittest darlin.. survival of the fittest! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+HerNibs Posted September 20, 2013 #13 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Surely I believe that evolution explains a lot of things about life on earth. Except for certain aspect of human origin. We are too vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil to be the results of purely natural evolution. But if there's any design process involved with our orign, he must be one sick jerk because our mind has too many flaws. This made me a bit sad. I find the opposite to be true. We humans have evolved into beings that better themselves all the time. Without (or in spite of) any deity giving us a helping hand. People live longer, diseases have been cured and many more will be. We have more of an awareness of the world around us. We've made steps (small for now) towards equality for all, trying to feed, educate and fee oppressed people. (Still a way to go but we are going.) There is a bigger push towards "love thy neighbor" today than I have ever seen in my life. Of course we have the lunatic fundies that seem to get too much press but in my view, for every crazy negative there are tons of positive shouting them down. Just my thoughts. Nibs 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted September 20, 2013 #14 Share Posted September 20, 2013 yup.. i managed to capture one ant and enslave it to be my sig... survival of the fittest darlin.. survival of the fittest! Poor guy seems to be ...well.. quite mad.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted September 20, 2013 #15 Share Posted September 20, 2013 This made me a bit sad. I find the opposite to be true. We humans have evolved into beings that better themselves all the time. Without (or in spite of) any deity giving us a helping hand. People live longer, diseases have been cured and many more will be. We have more of an awareness of the world around us. We've made steps (small for now) towards equality for all, trying to feed, educate and fee oppressed people. (Still a way to go but we are going.) There is a bigger push towards "love thy neighbor" today than I have ever seen in my life. Of course we have the lunatic fundies that seem to get too much press but in my view, for every crazy negative there are tons of positive shouting them down. Just my thoughts. Nibs This is true.... If all animals are naturly selfish and primal, human beings are the only ones to evolve to the point where they can try ( with varying degrees of success) to not be. Will this be our undoing? Time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted September 20, 2013 #16 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Some people are "vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil " and some people are not. Cooperation can be a powerful survival tool as well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted September 20, 2013 #17 Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) We're just the noisiest animals on earth. Edited September 20, 2013 by lightly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplos Posted September 21, 2013 #18 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We are too vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil to be the results of purely natural evolution Nah, because vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy and evil people still have no problem breeding. And quite frankly, I'm with HerNibs. Ticks me off a bit when I see people so insanely down on the human race as a whole. Sure, some people do tons of bad stuff, but can you ever notice any of the really good things too? It's just sad how negative some people are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros of Skaro Posted September 21, 2013 #19 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Google "Selfish Gene" Or watch a vid. P.S. It's digital compression loss not reptillian. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resh Posted September 21, 2013 #20 Share Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) Surely I believe that evolution explains a lot of things about life on earth. Except for certain aspect of human origin. We are too vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil to be the results of purely natural evolution. But if there's any design process involved with our orign, he must be one sick jerk because our mind has too many flaws. Not necessarily, first of all morality (what you consider evil) is subjective. Second, it is behavior that we developed around a certain need during our evolution. Third, its not anyones design, if it were someones design, it would have to be nature for behaving the way she does, evolving the way it does. Its not sick, it just is what it is. You dig? Edited September 21, 2013 by Palmy-Ra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhen Posted September 21, 2013 #21 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Surely I believe that evolution explains a lot of things about life on earth. Except for certain aspect of human origin. We are too vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil to be the results of purely natural evolution. I think you are being too selective, humans and other apes are more complex than that. [media=] [/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted September 21, 2013 #22 Share Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) Google "Selfish Gene" Or watch a vid. P.S. It's digital compression loss not reptillian. And there we have scientific proof that (evil) selfish behavior is unsustainable and will implode. Good wins At least it got us this far, but a better way can now take over. Edited September 21, 2013 by White Crane Feather 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambelamba Posted September 23, 2013 Author #23 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Maybe I should have mentioned these instead: Cognitive Dissonance, incoherent thinking process, constant inconsistencies in general cognitive functions. None of them, I think , has any kind of evolutionary advantage whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted September 23, 2013 #24 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Maybe I should have mentioned these instead: Cognitive Dissonance, incoherent thinking process, constant inconsistencies in general cognitive functions. None of them, I think , has any kind of evolutionary advantage whatsoever. I dunno if they have any evolutionary advantage -- in my experience those who want to can be very clever with natural selection in putting together stories to show that practically anything has evolutionary advantage. They do this out of reductionist instincts, not out of scientific impulses. I fully accept the fact of evolution in our history, and have incorporated it into my philosophy. I nevertheless see traits that don't have evolutionary foundations unless one engages in the far-fetched. Many cases of altruism, compassion, art, religion and other human traits have a hard time fitting into the evolutionary natural selection block. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambelamba Posted September 23, 2013 Author #25 Share Posted September 23, 2013 One more thing, Frank: the vast majority of population listen and submit to the authority no matter how ridiculous the creed is. I can't get into too much, but I am not the only one who suspects that we were tampered. Pretty badly. Our genes are so thoroughly rigged that any attempt to fix the psychological and cognitive problems at the gene level would utterly fail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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