United Nations Arms Trade Treaty

[Yamato]

Establishment-owned MSM. Obama's just a puppet. He doesn't own anything. If anything, they own him. Most of the criticism of Obama I hear boils down to how poorly he's serving some division of the establishment from the perspective of the other side of the aisle. It's not that he's breaking the law, which he is. It's that he's not handling the issues exactly the same way someone else who knows better would handle them. They're either Obama-lite or they're Obama squared. Even Rand Paul suggested that rather than defund Obamacare or fight it outright, they should just remove a provision or two from it.

Conversely, Obama agrees with everything the Republicans did, plus Obamacare. He couldn't take the drugs out of our senior citizens' mouths after the Republicans put them there. That's not politically survivable. Now that the Prescription Drug Bill is getting the pills to the needy mouths he's not going to make a train wreck out of his political career to help combat cost overruns. Obama gets elected and he has to kowtow to all the very important people exactly like the R's do and like them, he does a damn good job of it too. Political opponents have to scurry around pretending that they disagree with him about something, about how they'd serve some special interest better than Obama has.

[preacherman76]

In canada there is an estimated 1 gun for ever 3.2 people. Or 11 million guns and 35 million people. We have to register our restricted firearms (pistols and black guns) and we had for the past 10 years or so ha to register our long guns (this was recently scrapped). Not once was there a gun confiscation or anything of the sort.

The vast majority of gun crime in Canada is carried out with American guns.

You have had some weapons banned and confiscated. So far Canada is the acception though. So far. Everyone else took the guns after resgistry. Then again Canada hasnt proclaimed the power to indefinitly detain people without even charging them. Nor have they given themselfs the power to kill anyone they want

[preacherman76]

There is a black market for everything everywhere. That is not the issue -- the issue is whether or not the black market can get guns to the criminals, and in many countries the laws make this very difficult and provide a good intervention point for the police well before the criminal gets the guns. Gun crimes are virtually unknown in Vietnam, as are many other crimes, because criminals have a much tougher time of it (for many reasons -- not just the police but also the culture and the justice and penal systems).

Most Americans strike me as myopic -- unwilling and maybe even unable to look at other societies and see where they can learn from them.

Other societies are not relevent. Their governments dont give drug cartels assualt weapons. Nor do they use tax payers money to arm AlCIAda. Nor do other countries get caught constantly bringing in drugs from other countries. Nor do they tolerate banks like HSBC, who have been caught, and continue to this day to launder drug money. They dont claim the power to lock a cell and throw away the key on people who havent been charged with a crime. Or just out right kill you without even so much as an explaination. Our government is corupted to its core. The only reason they want our guns is to further enslave us.

[preacherman76]

Of course it's not. It certainly doesn't help that they are everywhere, and that America has more gun deaths than any other country. The black market would still exist, no doubt, but you'd be hard pressed to believe that there would be more deaths due to nothing other than the black market.

Whats not to believe? Look at Chicago. They arent allowed guns at all, yet more people get shot there then nearly anywhere else in the country. Aside from other cities who also have banned guns.

[Thanato]

Whats not to believe? Look at Chicago. They arent allowed guns at all, yet more people get shot there then nearly anywhere else in the country. Aside from other cities who also have banned guns.

Well let's look at this. How easy is it to get a gun into Chicago? Very easy. How easy is it to sell said gun in Chicago. Very easy. Now where do these guns come from? States with loose gun laws. The same states which smugglers by their guns and get them to my own nation. Where no questions are asked as long as you have the cash to pay

[Stellar]

Good article here:

And since many U.S. gun manufacturers rely on imported parts and components, or financing and insurance from abroad, the Treaty also gives other countries new opportunities to affect the U.S. firearms market.

Link: http://www.foxnews.c...-years-to-come/

So?

[Stellar]

Interesting how in that picture they want to compare the UK to the US, but cherry pick those "stats" that make the UK look worse. Shouldn't a comparison between the UK and the US on gun crime involve, well, you know, gun related crimes? So we see that the US is 28th in the world for gun murders (which isn't impressive, considering that the ones that beat the US are by far the less stable countries in the world)... where does the UK place in the world for gun murders? That should be quite revealing...

[Stellar]

Historicaly there is no reason what so ever to believe it wont lead to confiscation. It has 99% of the time. Just cause someone is paranoid, doesnt mean they arent out to get you. Especialy when several of our dear leaders in the past have expressed a will to fullly disarm us. So basicaly forget you Leo. Im not registering jack. And they can take it from my cold dead hands.

Sure. It has 99% of the time if you only include the countries that have confiscated them.