Guest Posted September 27, 2013 #26 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Im mean Universe is spreading. Maybe we are also spreading. I dont understand geologic process to argue about. But I do know history of plate tectonics. Like that means a lot! If you don't understand something you should educate yourself untilyou do understand. The logical fallasy of this idea is so huge and based on such flawed understanding of basic physical processes that any grade school kid could tell you why it is wrong. For you to admit that you don't understand geology and then to pronounce that you believe in an expanding earth and disbelieve in Global warming (based on a lackof understanding of basic science) has just destroyed any credibility you might claim for yourself in scientific discussions. You have done this to yourself. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted September 27, 2013 #27 Share Posted September 27, 2013 You sure are quick to brand me, I was just asking questions. Chill. Your questions to me qualified as unbelievable lack of knowledge. I guess I didn't need to say it, but it doesn't hurt sometimes to tell someone their breath is unpleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 27, 2013 Author #28 Share Posted September 27, 2013 If you don't understand something you should educate yourself untilyou do understand. The logical fallasy of this idea is so huge and based on such flawed understanding of basic physical processes that any grade school kid could tell you why it is wrong. For you to admit that you don't understand geology and then to pronounce that you believe in an expanding earth and disbelieve in Global warming (based on a lackof understanding of basic science) has just destroyed any credibility you might claim for yourself in scientific discussions. Whats wrong with admiting that you dont understand something? I didnt said I believe in expanding earth I said it looks logic from video. Who mentioned GW here? You loose yourself among threads and adressing it in wrong thread! You want to make this personal, you cant know how much I know about science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2013 #29 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Whats wrong with admiting that you dont understand something? I didnt said I believe in expanding earth I said it looks logic from video. Who mentioned GW here? You loose yourself among threads and adressing it in wrong thread! You want to make this personal, you cant know how much I know about science. The point is you present yourself as certain about an issue - when reading even a few of your comments regarding science shows that you are in no position to be certain about anything scientific. You really need to aquire a basic education in things scientific before you make a single comment regarding the subject, anything else makes you look ignorant. Br Cornelius Edited September 27, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 27, 2013 Author #30 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) The point is you present yourself as certain about an issue - when reading even a few of your comments regarding science shows that you are in no position to be certain about anything scientific. You really need to aquire a basic education in thing scientific before you make a single comment regarding the subject, anything else makes you look ignorant. Br Cornelius Son, if you ever desire to discuss history, economy, psychology Im there for you. Also about philosophy which is not science but its important. And I can be benefical about Criminology but I intented to avoid it due personal matters! Science isnt just Geology! Edited September 27, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted September 27, 2013 #31 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I think there is a reference here to the flip that, as I recall, happened in the 1960s, between a scientific consensus that rejected continental drift theories as fringe to a consensus in its favor -- a flip that at the time astonished me at how quickly the community was persuaded by just a few papers. It shows something of the workings of science. That the consensus can be wrong is the wrong conclusion -- that is something that is obvious anyway and no one denies. It's that when the evidence warrants, the consensus can change on a dime, but only when the evidence warrants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2013 #32 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Son, if you ever desire to discuss history, economy, psychology Im there for you. Also about philosophy which is not science but its important. And I can be benefical about Criminology but I intented to avoid it due personal matters! Science isnt just Geology! None of those subjects are science, they are social sciences or humanities - a very different thing. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 27, 2013 Author #33 Share Posted September 27, 2013 None of those subjects are science, they are social sciences or humanities - a very different thing. Br Cornelius You see, every common sense person from above post can conclude who needs to educate yourself further. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted September 27, 2013 #34 Share Posted September 27, 2013 What is science and what is not is debatable: I think the things listed are scientific in some ways and not in others. They are "soft" sciences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2013 #35 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Soft sciences can best be described as theory dominated rather than evidence dominated since it is very difficult to collect Empirical evidence in support of the theories. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 27, 2013 Author #36 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Which show that you two dont know what is science by any means! Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2013 #37 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Which show that you two dont know what is science by any means! Big Bad Voodoo What then is science ? Be careful - your talking to a qualified scientist. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 27, 2013 Author #38 Share Posted September 27, 2013 What then is science ? Be careful - your talking to a qualified scientist. Br Cornelius I doubt it. Science is organized knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2013 #39 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) I doubt it. Science is organized knowledge. You doubt what exactly ? Science is the application of the scientific method to arrive at knowledge with a 95% confidence that it is statistically valid. The scientific method is a way to ask and answer scientific questions by making observations and doing experiments. The steps of the scientific method are to: Ask a Question Do Background Research Construct a Hypothesis Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion Communicate Your Results [*]It is important for your experiment to be a fair test. A "fair test" occurs when you change only one factor (variable) and keep all other conditions the same. [*]While scientists study how nature works, engineers create new things, such as products, websites, environments, and experiences. If your project involves creating or inventing something new, your project might better fit the steps of the Engineering Design Process. If you are not sure if your project is a scientific or engineering project, you should read Comparing the Engineering Design Process and the Scientific Method. http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_method.shtml Organizing knowledge falls far short of science, and most social sciences can never meet the criteria of the scientific method, though they may model their techniques on those of the hard sciences. Br Cornelius Edited September 27, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 27, 2013 Author #40 Share Posted September 27, 2013 You doubt what exactly ? Science is the application of the scientific method to arrive at knowledge with a 95% confidence that it is statistically valid. Br Cornelius Yet you dont understand that Economy and History is science. HA! I doubt you are scientist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2013 #41 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Yet you dont understand that Economy and History is science. HA! I doubt you are scientist. they are not, they are sets of theories which attempt to justify their conclusions through statistical analysis. They are not sciences and they are always taught seperately from science with economics departments and humaities departments. I feel it is you who are showing your ignorance again. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 27, 2013 Author #42 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Ever heard of messurment problem in physics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 27, 2013 Author #43 Share Posted September 27, 2013 they are not, they are sets of theories which attempt to justify their conclusions through statistical analysis. They are not sciences and they are always taught seperately from science with economics departments and humaities departments. I feel it is you who are showing your ignorance again. Br Cornelius Only ignorant here is you. If you realy disire to learn I will teach you. But I doubt thats your intentions! Your intentions are to discredit me. Which again and again, you failed to do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2013 #44 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Only ignorant here is you. If you realy disire to learn I will teach you. But I doubt thats your intentions! Your intentions are to discredit me. Which again and again, you failed to do it! The natural sciences have always been held separate from the humanities. You declaration isn't fooling anyone here. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 27, 2013 Author #45 Share Posted September 27, 2013 The natural sciences have always been held separate from the humanities. You declaration isn't fooling anyone here. Br Cornelius Cornelius, I doubt that you understand what science and scientist means at all. Your diploma doesnt make you scientist! Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2013 #46 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Cornelius, I doubt that you understand what science and scientist means at all. Your diploma doesnt make you scientist! Obviously. Repeating a statement which runs counter to standard definitions isn't proof of anything other than your own ignorance of those definitions. I gave you a definition of what constitutes the scientific method - please explain how history can fit that definition. An interesting article on why history can approach the scientific method - but never be in the same class of knowledge; http://mrhoyestokwebsite.com/AOKs/History/Related%20Articles/Is%20History%20a%20Science.htm Br Cornelius Edited September 27, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 27, 2013 Author #47 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Repeating a statement which runs counter to standard definitions isn't proof of anything other than your own ignorance of those definitions. I gave you a definition of what constitutes the scientific method - please explain how history can fit that definition. An interesting article on why history can approach the scientific method - but never be in the same class of knowledge; http://mrhoyestokweb...y a Science.htm Br Cornelius Your defenition of science doesnt matter at all. Whats matter that all scientists agreed (already) that history and economy is science par excellence. Those who claim otherwise are simply not informed or lunatics or ignorants or all. May I ask you where are you from? Im mean, there is possibility that we argue about something which is matter of different school systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2013 #48 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Your defenition of science doesnt matter at all. Whats matter that all scientists agreed (already) that history and economy is science par excellence. Those who claim otherwise are simply not informed or lunatics or ignorants or all. May I ask you where are you from? Im mean, there is possibility that we argue about something which is matter of different school systems. Please supply a definitive reference to support your wild assertion. Please and then we can end this silly side issue. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 27, 2013 Author #49 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Please supply a definitive reference to support your wild assertion. Please and then we can end this silly side issue. Br Cornelius Sure I will. Just can you tell me where are you from? If not I will proove to you and to Frankie boy my points. Just want to see in what direction should I extened my answer. Because theme is quite large. I suspect USA? Edited September 27, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2013 #50 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I am located in Ireland - but that will make no substantive difference to the definition of science and the scientific method. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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