40th anniversary of Pascagoula abduction

[highdesert50]

It seems that this topic has been discussed in some length in the past. But, I might add their initial freeze response of “stop, look, and listen” is consistent with the psychology of fear. Prey that remain “frozen” during threat are more likely to avoid capture. Secondly, the faint response of one of the individuals is also consistent with extreme fear as an adaptive function in the case of injury. While one might question whether this was an alien encounter, certainly these two people were exhibiting extreme fear with subsequent traumatic stress that likely would be diagnosed as PTSD in at least one of the individuals.

[zoser]

It seems that this topic has been discussed in some length in the past. But, I might add their initial freeze response of "stop, look, and listen" is consistent with the psychology of fear. Prey that remain "frozen" during threat are more likely to avoid capture. Secondly, the faint response of one of the individuals is also consistent with extreme fear as an adaptive function in the case of injury. While one might question whether this was an alien encounter, certainly these two people were exhibiting extreme fear with subsequent traumatic stress that likely would be diagnosed as PTSD in at least one of the individuals.

Exactly; so what was it? Aliens or demons, there has to be some explanation for what it was.

[Technocrat]

I don't know that they're aliens, but I'm being fooled by demons? How do we know they're demons?

I made it clear in my post as to how we know that they are demons. Please read it again and watch the video, if you haven't already done so, which re-enacts a real event that terrorized an American family in the 1950s. The beings had glowing eyes and claws for hands. I think you have to concede that they were demons.

[Technocrat]

Until I see military craft in action like that, I have to leave that option open. I can't picture a demon needing a metal craft to get around in.

You won't ever see a military craft acting like that because it is against the laws of physics and, therefore, totally impossible as I stated in my post. As regards demons getting around in metal craft: They clearly are not metal when, as I described in my post, they can burst out into many smaller craft and re-emerge into a single larger one and also pass through solid objects. Sometimes they show up on radar and sometimes they don't. They are able to do all of these things at will and they are able to take on solid form as well, (metal if you like), when it suits them. It's all part of the satanic deception to win souls away from God and to make themselves out to be the real saviours of humanity.

[Technocrat]

I'm not automatically cynical about new ideas as you know, so I'm just going to think about what you have said for now. I would agree that there does seem to be evidence of malevolent visitors coming here. There are for example unexplained human mutilation cases and abductions, enough to support this idea.

As to what you would call them? Aliens or Demons?

Does it really matter in the end? They are all visitors to our realm of existence. If you see them, don't bother to classify them.

Just run.

Thank you for your very sensible reply to my post. I think it does matter as to how you classify them. Beings from elsewhere in our galaxy/universe 'might' be friendly enough to assist us with our many problems but then again they could very well be hostile. Demons, on the other hand, are nobody's friends as they are out to deceive humanity and to lead us along the path of eternal destruction. Their only interest is to steal us away from God and He has allowed them to have an awful lot of power in order to put us to the test.

Personally, I don't believe that there is life anywhere else in the universe and that belief is based on my religious convictions. Also, there is a growing movement in the scientific community that, (having discovered the absolutely impossible sequence of events that have to take place in order for life to come into existence), has come to accept the likelihood that there isn't life anywhere else in the universe. It's interesting to consider that a vast amount of searching the universe over many decades has been done using powerful radio telescopes and nothing resembling an artificially produced signal has yet been detected.

Finally, you are absolutely spot on with your final statement that, " If you see them, don't bother to classify them. Just run."

Edited October 11, 2013 by Technocrat

[highdesert50]

What was it? Let us say it was sufficiently "novel" as to elicit extreme fear responses by the individuals. As to aliens, one might pose the argument that given the level of vehicle locomotion as described by the individuals, we would be looking at a very technically advanced civilization. One might then argue that same civilization should be able to "scan" for data without immediate capture -- one individual indicated that an "eye" scanned him from the distance of several inches, well then why not from several feet? As to demons, using the definition an evil spirit or devil, esp. one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell, then one might ask, does a demon need a vehicle to travel from hell. Why does a demon need to examine a human? To those questions, I certainly lack answers.

[DONTEATUS]

If I admit that I believe in Aliens do I still get the 17 Virgins?

Oh ! THat was another night mare that pop`s into my dream time !

If I admit that Most 99,999 % of UFO` sightings are nothing more than imagination do I get the 25 Virgins?

Oh ! Oh ! I admit that the Virgin story is way over used !

[EnderOTD]

I can see that many aspects of this case are pretty unexplained, the only problem I have with this case is that they passed over a lie detector test from a trained and experienced practioner and opted for a test by a green horn that happened to be friends with their lawyer at the time. The fact that the toll booth operator and shipyard cameras saw nothing adds a little more credence to the pure anecdotal evidence that is pretty damning to the case. Even in the case that the later was a complete fabrication, still no physical evidence. What is crazy is the time the two were left in the interogation room. From the transcripts I have read, they did seem to be pretty hysterical, every site I have come across has them saying the same thing. Is there any links to the actual audio?

[EnderOTD]

Another thing that I found odd is that Hickson pretty much made a career out of the whole situation. He claimed to have been visited numerous times afterwards. Hell he was the first abductee to appear on Johny Carson not even a year later. He wrote a book in the 80s, did the tour circuit with the Alien conventions. As time went on his story became more elaborate.

edit: I want to add that Parker stayed out of the spotlight, he would move from state to state running from the publicity. From his own accounts he was not able to stay in the same spot for more than a few years before people eventually figured out he was the wing man in the Pascagoula incident. Why would he do that? Surely if Hickson could make a nice disposable income from the experience, why couldn't Parker?

Edited October 12, 2013 by EnderOTD

[Hawken]

I've never heard of this case. It is interesting though that one of the abductees maintained his event up to his death.

Like I've said in other topics on this phenomena these claims happen to often around the world to be dismissed.

[zoser]

I can see that many aspects of this case are pretty unexplained, the only problem I have with this case is that they passed over a lie detector test from a trained and experienced practioner and opted for a test by a green horn that happened to be friends with their lawyer at the time. The fact that the toll booth operator and shipyard cameras saw nothing adds a little more credence to the pure anecdotal evidence that is pretty damning to the case. Even in the case that the later was a complete fabrication, still no physical evidence. What is crazy is the time the two were left in the interogation room. From the transcripts I have read, they did seem to be pretty hysterical, every site I have come across has them saying the same thing. Is there any links to the actual audio?

Not quite true.

It appears that their lawyer got involved and called the shots. Not Hickson and Parker. What his motives were we can only guess. This has happened before in a UFO case where a third party took over the decisions. See Maury Island case. When a third part smells money any distortion in the case is possible. I don't think it was their fault

Regarding the security cameras; how good actually were they in 1973? Were they even on and working? All this needs to be investigated and confirmed.

In support of their story there is this:

In 2001, retired navy chief petty officer Mike Cataldo revealed that he observed an unusual craft at dusk on the same date. While travelling with crew mates Ted Peralta and Mack Hanna on U.S. Route 90 fromPascagoula to Ocean Springs, an object like a large tambourine with small flashing lights approached from the northwest and crossed the freeway, before hovering over the treeline and disappearing. As he approached his home in St Andrews, Ocean Springs, the craft made a second appearance at lower altitude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascagoula_Abduction

[andy4]

I've always thought that this case was fascinating, it's very interesting to me. But this case is a good example of what happens when 4 men on psilocybin have a shared experience. In no way am I advocating for it, but people who are mentally fit and sober don't get abducted by aliens. It's just what happens when you're on it, and shared experiences aren't by any means all that uncommon.

There is a whole other world to be explored, yet some just discount them as "hallucinations" and say they have zero merit. It's too interesting even from a scientific standpoint, to just dismiss it outright. There is a whole other realm right under our noses filled with other beings, and nobody even notices, or are too ignorant to care.

Edited October 12, 2013 by andy4

[zoser]

I've always thought that this case was fascinating, it's very interesting to me. But this case is a good example of what happens when 4 men on psilocybin have a shared experience. In no way am I advocating for it, but people who are mentally fit and sober don't get abducted by aliens. It's just what happens when you're on it, and shared experiences aren't by any means all that uncommon.

There is a whole other world to be explored, yet some just discount them as "hallucinations" and say they have zero merit. It's too interesting even from a scientific standpoint, to just dismiss it outright. There is a whole other realm right under our noses filled with other beings, and nobody even notices, or are too ignorant to care.

A rather cynical assumption with no shred of evidence.

However I'm sure you will find plenty here of like mind.

[andy4]

True, and they don't have any evidence it even happened. I was just offering my opinion on what it sounded like to me. And it sounds exactly spot on like a psilocybin experience.

[zoser]

True, and they don't have any evidence it even happened. I was just offering my opinion on what it sounded like to me. And it sounds exactly spot on like a psilocybin experience.

It's always the wrong way to look at a UFO case imho. What in life do we actually have hard evidence of?

Better to ask what did they have to gain. The guys were genuinely scared. Just to imply drugs isn't satisfactory because there is no precedent or research that links drugs and UFO experiences

Hickson did write a book. How many years later? Ten perhaps? That's not convincing as an original motive. Plus what did Parker get out of Hicksons' book? Not a lot I would think.

So the motive for a hoax is hard to locate. Without it skeptics don't really have much of a case.

Edited October 12, 2013 by zoser

[zoser]

True, and they don't have any evidence it even happened. I was just offering my opinion on what it sounded like to me. And it sounds exactly spot on like a psilocybin experience.

Just one more thought for you. What about the myriad of other similar cases? Old ladies, old couples, families, pilots, airmen, astronauts, policemen, all reporting similar things. All drugs? All imagination? All hoaxes?

It took me 20 minutes the other night to list 100 well known UFO cases over the last 70 years. It's worldwide. If I can list 100 in that time you can bet there are an uncountable number that have actually occurred.

Think it through.

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

I unfortuantely work in the hell hole that is Pascagoula MS, right now. This arm pit of the US. Everyone here that I have talked to believes this guy is a total crack pot looking for publicity. Thank god I will be moving back to Texas in January. FYI. I grew up in this area.

Drugs and poverty have ruined Pascagoula.

[zoser]

I unfortuantely work in the hell hole that is Pascagoula MS, right now. This arm pit of the US. Everyone here that I have talked to believes this guy is a total crack pot looking for publicity. Thank god I will be moving back to Texas in January. FYI. I grew up in this area.

Drugs and poverty have ruined Pascagoula.

Slight problem. There were two of them not one. Their testimonies were the same.

Edited October 12, 2013 by zoser

[zoser]

Drugs and poverty have ruined Pascagoula.

Apologies for the off topic comment but:

As much as I do regret to say it, much of the US too as far as I can tell. Detroit as a good example. Every time I see the US on TV in the news or documentaries, or TV series all I see is decaying derelict factories and real estate.

I pray that someone turns that nation around before it is too late.

[andy4]

It's always the wrong way to look at a UFO case imho. What in life do we actually have hard evidence of?

Better to ask what did they have to gain. The guys were genuinely scared. Just to imply drugs isn't satisfactory because there is no precedent or research that links drugs and UFO experiences

Hickson did write a book. How many years later? Ten perhaps? That's not convincing as an original motive. Plus what did Parker get out of Hicksons' book? Not a lot I would think.

So the motive for a hoax is hard to locate. Without it skeptics don't really have much of a case.

Psilocybin and ufos are very well connected. You're highly likely to see one once you reach a certain threshold.

[andy4]

Just one more thought for you. What about the myriad of other similar cases? Old ladies, old couples, families, pilots, airmen, astronauts, policemen, all reporting similar things. All drugs? All imagination? All hoaxes?

It took me 20 minutes the other night to list 100 well known UFO cases over the last 70 years. It's worldwide. If I can list 100 in that time you can bet there are an uncountable number that have actually occurred.

Think it through.

Ok, and that's a fair point. I believe that the majority of cases are misidentification of certain things. I do believe other life exists, I just think that if they are advanced enough to get here if they travel through space, then they could hide very easily.

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

Slight problem. There were two of them not one. Their testimonies were the same.

Plenty of red necks would think it would be a great joke to plan something like this. Just saying.

[zoser]

Plenty of red necks would think it would be a great joke to plan something like this. Just saying.

Motive?

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

Motive?

Boredom. Really. Come live in Pascagoula and see. I am sure they thought they could make some cash off of it as well and they did.

[psyche101]

http://www.foxnews.c...tcmp=latestnews

Now wait a minute, I thought no one knew about Roswell until a book came out in the 80's.

Ahh, the accuracy of Fox news.