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Gallup: 60% Say 3rd Major Party Is Needed


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Dems : Big Government : Clean CR Please!

GOP : Go Along To Get Along

Tea Party : Drop Kick ObamaCare for 1 Year

What does that even mean? Democrats and Republicans both love big government. The Tea Party is opposed to big government, but only because it hasn't been in control of one yet. They're all suckling at the Big Business teat.

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It looks like Rand Paul is getting much more " Air Time " than Ron Paul.

That's because Rand Paul has more republican views. Ron Paul was all Libertarian.

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The Tea Party has refused to " Go along to get along ".

That is the only reason everybody is attacking them.

Senator Ted Cruz has taken a leadership position and that has them all going NUTS ! :yes:

No everyone is attacking them because they've decided to ignore how the government is meant to function and are threatening to destroy the country unless their demands are met. They've decided that checks and balances can be ignored as long as their policies get rammed through. Who cares if millions of Americans suffer as long as they get theirs. That's why they're being attacked, that's why their popularity is in free fall, and that's why hopefully they're done as a political force.

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No everyone is attacking them because they've decided to ignore how the government is meant to function and are threatening to destroy the country unless their demands are met. They've decided that checks and balances can be ignored as long as their policies get rammed through. Who cares if millions of Americans suffer as long as they get theirs. That's why they're being attacked, that's why their popularity is in free fall, and that's why hopefully they're done as a political force.

Don't be so sure of that. Among 300 million inhabitants there are a lot of donkeys.

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Don't be so sure of that. Among 300 million inhabitants there are a lot of donkeys.

One can hope. The GOP moderates aren't happy with them and Republican think tanks have already said that they'll fund people who are going to run against the Tea Party guys. Plus they seem to only appeal to a shrinking segment of the American population. Maybe if they massive overhaul their message to something other than "let's scrap everything and start from the beginning" they might survive but in their current form I don't see them lasting. At least I hope not.

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One can hope. The GOP moderates aren't happy with them and Republican think tanks have already said that they'll fund people who are going to run against the Tea Party guys. Plus they seem to only appeal to a shrinking segment of the American population. Maybe if they massive overhaul their message to something other than "let's scrap everything and start from the beginning" they might survive but in their current form I don't see them lasting. At least I hope not.

As long as both parties continues to tax everyone to death by creating new taxes all the time and raising taxes then more people will get more limit government views like the tea party.

As long as both parties continue to raise the debt each and every year just kicking the problem down the road then more people will go towards limited government groups.

Both parties keep subsidizing big business and giving them bailouts, complete cronyism. Both parties keep wanting to go to war in random far away places and give money to dictators or whoever we want in power!

As long as all these things continue then groups like the tea party will just keep growing.

All these career politicians in the established parties just want to get reelected so they keep kicking the problem down the road making it worse.

The American people are sick of the same old **** and corruption that is why the tea party was created because people wanted change.

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As long as both parties continues to tax everyone to death by creating new taxes all the time and raising taxes then more people will get more limit government views like the tea party.

As long as both parties continue to raise the debt each and every year just kicking the problem down the road then more people will go towards limited government groups.

Both parties keep subsidizing big business and giving them bailouts, complete cronyism. Both parties keep wanting to go to war in random far away places and give money to dictators or whoever we want in power!

As long as all these things continue then groups like the tea party will just keep growing.

All these career politicians in the established parties just want to get reelected so they keep kicking the problem down the road making it worse.

The American people are sick of the same old **** and corruption that is why the tea party was created because people wanted change.

The problem is not taxes, the problem are the demands Americans have of the Federal government. The taxes paid are hardly sufficient to adequately pay the armed forces, security and law enforcement requirements. I would like to see the great howling if somebody started saving there (besides that, the only viable American industry left would take a major hit). Scale down your demands and the taxes can be scaled down, that simple.

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If people really feel a third party is needed then all they have to do is vote 3rd party (like me) unfortunately most have fallen for the "a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for the main party guy I don't like".

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The problem is not taxes, the problem are the demands Americans have of the Federal government. The taxes paid are hardly sufficient to adequately pay the armed forces, security and law enforcement requirements. I would like to see the great howling if somebody started saving there (besides that, the only viable American industry left would take a major hit). Scale down your demands and the taxes can be scaled down, that simple.

Which is why we want cut backs too. All these wars and funding dictators, can be cut. The NSA prism system can be cut. Government welfare and bailouts can be cut. Some useless departments we don't need. plus if the economy improved by giving people their own money back by not taxing them to death then the government would have more revenue to spend on things.

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Which is why we want cut backs too. All these wars and funding dictators, can be cut. The NSA prism system can be cut. Government welfare and bailouts can be cut. Some useless departments we don't need. plus if the economy improved by giving people their own money back by not taxing them to death then the government would have more revenue to spend on things.

Besides enumerating peanuts there accounting for less than 10% of the expenditures over the last 10 years: until you don't cut down defense radically the results will be mostly cosmetic. And that nobody wants to do. So there can be no tax cuts, but tax increases are more likely because we cannot afford living making debts any longer.

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As long as both parties continues to tax everyone to death by creating new taxes all the time and raising taxes then more people will get more limit government views like the tea party.

As long as both parties continue to raise the debt each and every year just kicking the problem down the road then more people will go towards limited government groups.

Both parties keep subsidizing big business and giving them bailouts, complete cronyism. Both parties keep wanting to go to war in random far away places and give money to dictators or whoever we want in power!

As long as all these things continue then groups like the tea party will just keep growing.

All these career politicians in the established parties just want to get reelected so they keep kicking the problem down the road making it worse.

The American people are sick of the same old **** and corruption that is why the tea party was created because people wanted change.

And as long as the Tea Party hold to the belief that only they should be allowed to rule, election results and proper systems of government be damned, they will continue to be see as danger radicals and none of what you want will happen.

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I'm not saying I'm specifically a Ron Paul fan, but he had a good chance of winning if he was given more exposure.

1. Not in a million years

2. how much more exposure do you want? he was running the Republican party. The results spoke. Didn't get the nomination.

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1. Not in a million years

2. how much more exposure do you want? he was running the Republican party. The results spoke. Didn't get the nomination.

The Republicans don't like Ron Paul because he is against war interventionism in other countries, and he really believes in smaller government and getting the corporations out of the government....That scares statist RHINOS who are funded by the mega corporations, like McCain, Romney, Graham, and Boehner.....

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1. Not in a million years

2. how much more exposure do you want? he was running the Republican party. The results spoke. Didn't get the nomination.

Ron paul was running the republican party? what?

Ill take whatever your smoking B)

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Ron paul was running the republican party? what?

Sorry. running IN the republican party.

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oh okay I retract my statement

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The Republicans don't like Ron Paul because

none of that matters to the question. he got the exposure because he ran as a republican. Is there some other party that would give him more exposure? See if republicans don't like him, it's clear no one else does either.

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none of that matters to the question. he got the exposure because he ran as a republican. Is there some other party that would give him more exposure? See if republicans don't like him, it's clear no one else does either.

Ha... RP ran as the Libertarian nominee in the 1988 Federal election. The Ds and the Rs have made the process of allowing competition among minority partys very difficult when in 1987, they co-founded the Commission on Presidential Debates. Both partys control who gets into the debates, who gets to be panalists and who gets to ask the questions.

Dr. Paul experienced this first hand as a third party candidate yet effectively has used his position as an Republican to send the message of liberty since.

The reason he didn't get the Rs nod in the last two federal elections is because the Rs do not embrace freedom.... either do the Ds.

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none of that matters to the question. he got the exposure because he ran as a republican. Is there some other party that would give him more exposure? See if republicans don't like him, it's clear no one else does either.

The media really did ignore Ron Paul even John Stewart noticed it he did a show about it. The first 1:12 seconds of it is not stewarts show but the rest is.

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Please watch it ninja dude. There is no dout that The establishment set up Romney as the republican candidate

Edit: well this isent the video I thougth I was posting but it gives the same message lol

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If people really feel a third party is needed then all they have to do is vote 3rd party (like me) unfortunately most have fallen for the "a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for the main party guy I don't like".

I think people are after instant gratification, like the sweeping victory of a fresh third party candidate into the White House, but politics doesn't work like that. If people renounced that attitude and began voting based on conscience, we'd see a substantial drop in the main parties votes and as a result they'd be forced to change their ways. It might take a couple of elections before they really take notice, but breaking the duopoly on US politics is worth the wait.

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I think people are after instant gratification, like the sweeping victory of a fresh third party candidate into the White House, but politics doesn't work like that. If people renounced that attitude and began voting based on conscience, we'd see a substantial drop in the main parties votes and as a result they'd be forced to change their ways. It might take a couple of elections before they really take notice, but breaking the duopoly on US politics is worth the wait.

I rather have a look at history where it shows that every time a third party surged one of the older parties went down the drain. Unless the the winner takes all system is changed it will be no different the next time.

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I rather have a look at history where it shows that every time a third party surged one of the older parties went down the drain. Unless the the winner takes all system is changed it will be no different the next time.

In the UK and the USA, yes. But it doesn't have to be the case. A system of Preferential voting would do a lot to break the stalemate. That way you can vote for your third party and still have a preference between the two main ones if yours doesn't win. First past the post seems like a no brainer, until you have a candidate winning with 20% of the vote because nobody else got more than 19%.

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No everyone is attacking them because they've decided to ignore how the government is meant to function and are threatening to destroy the country unless their demands are met. They've decided that checks and balances can be ignored as long as their policies get rammed through. Who cares if millions of Americans suffer as long as they get theirs. That's why they're being attacked, that's why their popularity is in free fall, and that's why hopefully they're done as a political force.

Hang onto your dreams.

The Tea Party is back! Senator Ted Cruz won the straw poll !

The elitists in Washington D.C. are throwing a fit ! They even tried adolescent name calling. Of course, it didn't work.

Nice try though. :tu:

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Hang onto your dreams.

The Tea Party is back! Senator Ted Cruz won the straw poll !

The elitists in Washington D.C. are throwing a fit ! They even tried adolescent name calling. Of course, it didn't work.

Nice try though. :tu:

Not dreams, reality. GOP numbers are in the dumps and as much as the Tea Party screams the American people don't want this shutdown and don't want to default. The only question will be if the Tea Party tries to take everyone down with them as they die. Maybe once people like Cruz are shoved to the side the grassroots part of the movement can restart with some sane people giving voice to their ideas.

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Not dreams, reality. GOP numbers are in the dumps and as much as the Tea Party screams the American people don't want this shutdown and don't want to default. The only question will be if the Tea Party tries to take everyone down with them as they die. Maybe once people like Cruz are shoved to the side the grassroots part of the movement can restart with some sane people giving voice to their ideas.

Conservatives / GOP numbers are on the rise!

Cornell Study shows the American people are sick of the full fledged embrace of the welfare state.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/14/study-conservative-Americans

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