Stellar Posted October 23, 2004 #1 Share Posted October 23, 2004 One came to my house. I had an argument with him, as you can see. He started out by saying that christianity is the oldest religion (started out 15 000 years ago) and hinuism and everything is not as old, therefor its not true. I talked about tribal religion of the first cavement... they havent influenced the world, so they're not true. Evolution---> not true. He's bringing me a book comparing evolution and creationism he said He couldnt argue anything scientifically, at all, we went down to just denying science. He kept interrupting me too, never let me finish my point and lept to something new. I decided to ask him why we shouldnt take some verses literally and others literally, such as "the circle of the Earth". He was about to say "See, he's talking about the shape of the Earth" when I said, a circle is flat. Then he went off to talk about how the horizon looks circular, and I said no, it at most looks like a dome. THen he went to say how people on the moon look at the Earth and it looks circular, and I said yes, it *looks* circular, but its a sphere. The creator should know the difference! Then, he started talking about how in the past there was a dome around the Earth! yep, a dome of water! Thats what caused the flood! The water (in liquid form at first, until I asked how it could remain in the atmosphere like that, then it became gasious suddenly) dropped down to the Earth, and flooded it! I asked where that water went. He says the ocean. He couldnt explain to me how the water wouldnt have fell to the depths of the ocean first, so he said that God can do anything. Then by the end of the argument, he said that humans are only 6000 years old. I asked him about carbon 14 and archeological dating of 15000 year old cities. Guess what? False. Its science, and therefor its false. Then he left, and I forgot to ask him how christianity could be around for 15000 years when, according to him, humans were only around for 6000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatAstrofix Posted October 23, 2004 #2 Share Posted October 23, 2004 lol That's annoying when first someone makes ridicolous statements and then go completely deaf no matter what you try to say. It's like saying that breathing is just an illusion and has nothing to do with body-functions, and then when asked that why is this person breathing, just deny it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twpdyp Posted October 24, 2004 #3 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Even though I am a Christian I do not like the door to door people inviting me to their church and trying to testify. I usually come up with some smart aleck question telling them if they can answer it I will go to their church. I usually go with "After Cain killed Abel and was cast out, he found his mate. Where did she come from?" That usually keeps them stuttering for long enough for me to make a hasty exit. The best one is to answer the door naked with a beer in one hand and a porno in the other, invite them in and see just how fast they can run. Like I said I am a Christian, church 2 times on Sunday and Wednesday nights, but I do draw the line at knocking on people's doors to tell them about the Lord. If they want to know I figure they will ask or come to the church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kikuchiyo Posted October 24, 2004 #4 Share Posted October 24, 2004 well thats something, some one just comming your house to talk about religion, that hasn't happend to me yet but when it does... The hell fire of my library will shine like a new sun!...I guess all religions stumble at one point or an other and denying scientific facts is like poking a sleeping bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twpdyp Posted October 24, 2004 #5 Share Posted October 24, 2004 well thats something, some one just comming your house to talk about religion, that hasn't happend to me yet but when it does... The church I attend trys to get people to go out between morning and evening services on Sundays. I had to tell the Preacher that I just could not do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
final flight Posted October 24, 2004 #6 Share Posted October 24, 2004 answer the door naked with a beer in one hand and a porno in the other, invite them in and see just how fast they can run. Now that would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twpdyp Posted October 24, 2004 #7 Share Posted October 24, 2004 I did use that one one time actually, in my younger days. They really ran to their car. They also went to the nearest phone and called the law, but it worked out in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjtss Posted October 24, 2004 #8 Share Posted October 24, 2004 The "Circle of the Earth" your visitor was talking about is the ecliptic journey of the earth through the twelve houses of the Zodiac which take about 26,000 years and is due to end on dec 21, 2012. At this time the earth reaches a point/area in the milky way that the ancients believed triggered catastrophic events on the earth and caused the end of civilization and mankind comes full circle and begins again at it's beginnings. Humanoids life forms have been on this planet in excess of 75,000 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennRose Posted October 25, 2004 #9 Share Posted October 25, 2004 The hell fire of my library will shine like a new sun! 323326[/snapback] LOL! That's awesome. I have a new favorite quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelofmercy Posted October 25, 2004 #10 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Speaking as a Catholic, I think it's ridiculous to do the door to door thing. First off, it has stereotype anyway. Any body coming to my door talking about religion automatically gets the weirdo label from me Secondly, people are put on the spot about a sensitive topic, this can never end well. Thirdly: I would be curious to know what their success rate it. Is it really worth all that effort? I suppose they say that one soul is worth it, but come on, what a colossal waste of time...*shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnSide Posted October 25, 2004 #11 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Yeah. Maybe they should be doing something useful with their time. I don't care what their reasoning is, p***ing me off is a SIN, and i always make sure to tell them they're going to hell for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted October 25, 2004 Author #12 Share Posted October 25, 2004 If they really wanted to help, instead of going knocking door to door trying to convert people (but they claim they're just wanting to "inform" people), they could be collecting money for charity and such. Face it, I know what "the message" is, and I dont accept it. Going door to door constantly telling me about "the message" isnt going to change my mind, its just gonna annoy me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennRose Posted October 25, 2004 #13 Share Posted October 25, 2004 I agree. No one will ever convince me of ANYTHNG by shoving it down my throat and following me home. This is not just a stab at religion...I won't buy magazines from people banging on my door either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted October 25, 2004 Author #14 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Damn, now that I think of it, I should have told him that I'm Jesus... then I'd have more fun watching him try to prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent1 Posted October 25, 2004 #15 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Then, he started talking about how in the past there was a dome around the Earth! yep, a dome of water! Thats what caused the flood! The water (in liquid form at first, until I asked how it could remain in the atmosphere like that, then it became gasious suddenly) dropped down to the Earth, and flooded it! I asked where that water went. He says the ocean. He couldnt explain to me how the water wouldnt have fell to the depths of the ocean first, so he said that God can do anything. 321479[/snapback] I've heard that arguement before from biblical literallists (people who believe every word in the bible has to be perfect/infallible), and I think it is bunk. He was referring to Genesis 1:6-8. Depending on the translation, it states that God created a dome to seperate the waters in the sky from the waters on the earth. Because this is what the Bible says, the is what he feels he needs to defend. His faith is dependent on outerspace having water in it that fell to the earth during the floods. Not all Christians look at the Bible that literally. IMO, the men who wrote that section of the Bible lacked the scientific knowledge to understand the way the world works. From the way they saw the world, the ocean is blue, and so is the sky. Rains falls from the sky. Therefore there must be a dome to keep the water in the sky from falling to the earth, and when that dome leaks, that is rain. IMO, being a christian is not about strict belief in a perfect Bible, it is about having faith in God and his son, and the promises God has made to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent1 Posted October 25, 2004 #16 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Speaking as a Catholic, I think it's ridiculous to do the door to door thing. First off, it has stereotype anyway. Any body coming to my door talking about religion automatically gets the weirdo label from me Secondly, people are put on the spot about a sensitive topic, this can never end well. Thirdly: I would be curious to know what their success rate it. Is it really worth all that effort? I suppose they say that one soul is worth it, but come on, what a colossal waste of time...*shrug* 323688[/snapback] I agree. The door to door approach is too "in your face." I doubt that their success rate is very high at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted October 25, 2004 #17 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Just let the dude know that you breed, raise, and train Rotwilers for guard duty and if he doesn't vacant the premises posthaste you are going to open the door and let your personal guard dog out! He probably won't stick around to see your little terrier/chihuahua mix come prancing out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeblossom Posted October 26, 2004 #18 Share Posted October 26, 2004 I'm not religious and the door to door salesman effect does nothing for me. I tend to shut the door on them because i can't b bothered with their shpeel. I have nothing against ppl's religion but i think it shouldn't b forced apon any one, that's just my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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