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simon.john

Besides which, pretending videos will ever be proof of anything is a non-starter.

Hello. It's not that simple, I have to train more but I will upload a last video with witnesses (doctors, psychologists, paradoctors) so I can prove once and for all that telekinesis is real, that anybody has it but it's just dorment. That will be my final video that I will upload or give to a public forum. Believe what you want folks. It is your right to free expresion.
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Skep B

Hello. Man, you're full of crap! That is a real candle as it can be! :) You can give my video to any computer specialist, expert, you name it and see if that is a trick or real as I said. I will not justify myself to you or to anyone else anymore. Believe what you want.

I didnt say computer editing, i'm sure computer specialists will say it look undoctored, because that parts fine. You're doing a cool illusion, but the paper spinning thing is an old trick that I used as a kid to impress girls, and the candle is a clever bit, but its just not a real candle

I'm not asking for justifcation, I'm just explaining what's happening

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stereologist

This sort of trick is old hat. It's the sort of thing that was done by the Soviets years ago to trick the US into thinking they could do psi spying. This trick has been filmed for over 70 years.

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Skep B

Yeah, dog...internet hi-five!

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aquatus1

Hello. It's not that simple, I have to train more but I will upload a last video with witnesses (doctors, psychologists, paradoctors) so I can prove once and for all that telekinesis is real, that anybody has it but it's just dorment. That will be my final video that I will upload or give to a public forum. Believe what you want folks. It is your right to free expresion.

It doesn't really matter. Like i said, no video will ever be proof of anything. It doesn't matter how many doctors, psychologists, paradoctors (whatever the hell those are) you get. Proof doesn't work that way. Proof is not a one-time thing. It isn't even a once-per-event thing. Proof is something that has to be there continuously, forever, as long as the event exists. Proof is something that has to be available for examination, dissection, documentation, otherwise you have nothing.

So you have telekineses? So what? You are going to upload a few videos and fade away into obscurity? How has the world changed? How has science changed? What have you added? What have you contributed? When all is said and done, what did you accomplish that couldn't have been accomplished in the exact same way by someone with a bit of imagination, a candle, and a video camera, but no psychic powers?

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DieChecker

This is just sad, you can see him waiting for the clearly pre-rigged candle to change before responding with a theatrical hand movement to make it look like he is controlling it, yet you can see his hand move later than the flame, particularly when he is waiting for it to flare back up, you can even see him pre-empt it a little early. It is imbeciles like this who make the genuine study of the unknown a fringe, laughed at subject.

I'm going to agree. It even appears his other hand is going under the table. I can't imagine he drilled a hole in it, so I'm thinking he hollowed out a candle and has it running a tiny tube bahind the candle over the edge of the table, where his other hand is turning a knob.

The paper is simply well balanced with very finely controlled air blowing on it from off camera.

Both are simple mechanical illusions in my opinion.

Hello. I want to assure you I'm not an imbecil. :( There is no theatre played! I don't like theatre and I'm not good at it! :) What you see is real! I will upload a video where you will see that I cand do much more than that with a candle flame.

If you're going to be a successfuly illusionist, you'll need more convincing setups.

If you want to prove that the candle trick is true, do the same trick, but pick up the candle and put it on a glass table, also have your other arm and hand in sight, and have a large mirror behind you. Then we'll see there is no one helping you (mirror), and that the candle is actually a candle (picking it up), and that you're not messing with it under the table (glass table and other hand in sight).

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simon.john

I'm going to agree. It even appears his other hand is going under the table. I can't imagine he drilled a hole in it, so I'm thinking he hollowed out a candle and has it running a tiny tube bahind the candle over the edge of the table, where his other hand is turning a knob.

The paper is simply well balanced with very finely controlled air blowing on it from off camera.

Both are simple mechanical illusions in my opinion.

If you're going to be a successfuly illusionist, you'll need more convincing setups.

If you want to prove that the candle trick is true, do the same trick, but pick up the candle and put it on a glass table, also have your other arm and hand in sight, and have a large mirror behind you. Then we'll see there is no one helping you (mirror), and that the candle is actually a candle (picking it up), and that you're not messing with it under the table (glass table and other hand in sight).

Hello. I will do that, don't worry! I am not illusionist, I haven't ever practice magic not eaven the smallest trick possible in magic!!! The candle wasn't drilled, I have not drill a hole in the candle.... THAT WAS A REAL CANDLE FOLKS! I haven't use any tubes or whatever trick to fool you. I AM NOT CRISS ANGEL OR DYNAMO OR DAVID BLAINE! I'M NOT DOING NAY MAGIC OR TRICK, THIS IS REAL TELEKINESIS, AND ANYBODY CAN DO IT IF THEY TRAIN! Is that hard to understand!? Next time I will film everything and anything OK!?, I AM NOT A FOLLOWER OF MAGIC! and I will keep my hands in sight and I will put mirrors behind me and ask some of my friends to film with 2-3 cameras in the same time from different angles. OK!? MABE than you will believe me. I will appear also on TV, I already got an offer to a TV show. But I need to train a little bit more so I can move a heavier object, because many of people like you and like others, are white-livered eaven when a simple proof is shown to them. They expect you to move a mountain so they start to believe. :)) God have mercy on people like that. You are really something... you know... Edited by simon.john
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simon.john

I didnt say computer editing, i'm sure computer specialists will say it look undoctored, because that parts fine. You're doing a cool illusion, but the paper spinning thing is an old trick that I used as a kid to impress girls, and the candle is a clever bit, but its just not a real candle

I'm not asking for justifcation, I'm just explaining what's happening

Hello again.

Like I said before, that IS NOT AN ILLUSION! THAT IS REAL MY FRIEND as you or I are. The candle IS NOT DRILLED, HASN'T ANY HOLE DRILLED IN IT! IT IS A NORMAL CANDLE! :)) you make laugh... MAY GOD HELP ME SO AS THE TRUTH I AM SAYING!!! :)) I will post a videoclip where I will have witnesses (doctors, paradoctors, psychologists, friends and eaven a recorded TV show where all of you will see that I am real, my telekinesis is real! I wish you all the best in the world.

About the paper, I can spin it as much and as long as I want. In that video I have stoped it to move on purpose for four times in a row and almost in the same spot. Never mind, I will be able to move a heavier object like a cell phone on a table... NO MAGNETS, NO TRICKS, filmed from different angles OK! :)

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aquatus1

A TV show now. Man, this story is growing bigger and bigger. Even though most is still repetition, repetition, and more repetition.

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simon.john

A TV show now. Man, this story is growing bigger and bigger. Even though most is still repetition, repetition, and more repetition.

Hello.

Yes, a TV show. I have a friend at a local TV show, which is on line usualy in the morning from 09:00 am untill 11:00 am from Monday to Friday. But I will not go there yet! I will keep on practicing until I will be able to move a heavier object like a cell phone or an average glass with water... And prove to all people that what I have is REAL and TRUE! It wouldn't be a harm that all poeple should start to get self aware or have self awarness. And by the way, what do you mean by "is still repetition, repetition, and more repetition"?

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Skep B

SO you have a cable access show interested, well that's neat-o

Funny that you've gone along arguing all this after declaring early on that you're not interested in making anyone believe in anything. You seem open to trying to convince people now.

If you believed in all the stuff you're talking about here, you wouldn't have shown up here, wouldn't have wasted time with penny ante things like paper or flame, you wouldn't keep talking to us, you'd go off, get better at it, and take over the world or something.

I'm good with a conartist, love a con artist its a noble profession so I'm not condeming what you're doing.

Just get better at the tricks. You come in here yelling "ITS NOT A TRICK, ITS NOT A FAKE CANDLE!

ok well, I have bat wings that pop out of my back when the sun goes down and i fly around fighting crime. Me saying that and expecting you to believe it is the same as what you're doing. Without evidence, nothing will be proven. And, if you're not interested in proving anything, you'll just stop responding to these.

So, the moment you respond to argue with this, you've proven yourself as interested in proving something, if it were true, you wouldn't care, because its the truth and the truth doesn't need defended because its the truth.

So, go ahead, prove me wrong, say nothing, and go change the world. Or prove me right and defend yourself.

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Avallaine

I don't have an opinion on the validity of the videos here, but I do have a couple of suggestions: simon.john, nip off to the Container Store or your local equivalent and get one of those clear plastic boxes that are made for displaying signed sports paraphernalia; they're inexpensive and close very tightly. Seal your paper thing inside one and then spin it. For the candle flame, light a candle and film it burning normally for several minutes, and then play with it telekinetically. You can't seal the candle inside anything airtight, obviously, but you could get a tall glass wind-guard, or experiment with the candle on the inside of the house and yourself outside of a closed window.

I also wanted to address this side issue:

So you have telekineses? So what? You are going to upload a few videos and fade away into obscurity? How has the world changed? How has science changed? What have you added? What have you contributed? When all is said and done, what did you accomplish that couldn't have been accomplished in the exact same way by someone with a bit of imagination, a candle, and a video camera, but no psychic powers?

Don't be silly; if telekinesis is every conclusively demonstrated, it will change the world dramatically; the mere fact that it happens will necessitate some important additions to the known laws of physics.

You might as well ask the Wright Brothers why they bothered to build an airplane, if they could have traveled the exact same distance faster and easier on one of their own bicycles.

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aquatus1

Don't be silly; if telekinesis is every conclusively demonstrated, it will change the world dramatically; the mere fact that it happens will necessitate some important additions to the known laws of physics.

No, it really won't. Not with a mere demonstration. The mere fact that something happens is nowhere near enough to cause change.

Think about it. What additions are going to be made? "Telekinesis is real" doesn't provide a whole lot of explanatory power. Without the phenomena to study in depth, we are left with little more than an anecdote Yep, when all is said and done...videos are really little more than anecdotal evidence).

You might as well ask the Wright Brothers why they bothered to build an airplane, if they could have traveled the exact same distance faster and easier on one of their own bicycles.

If the Wright brothers were making claims that they had already flown, and were passing around pictures of themselves allegedly in the air, but had nothing else to show, then that example might fly (pun fully intended).

As it turns out, however, the Wright brothers didn't make claims they couldn't back up and didn't deal with half-baked information. Anyone who wanted to contest their claims were free to come down to the workshop and look at the wind tunnel the brothers built to test their invention. A replicable device based on existing data which faithfully reproduced over and over again the phenomena in question, with no external variables involved, and no unknown forces at work.

And no, a candle and a piece of paper on a needle is not the equivalent of a wind tunnel and known drag principles.

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simon.john

SO you have a cable access show interested, well that's neat-o

Funny that you've gone along arguing all this after declaring early on that you're not interested in making anyone believe in anything. You seem open to trying to convince people now.

If you believed in all the stuff you're talking about here, you wouldn't have shown up here, wouldn't have wasted time with penny ante things like paper or flame, you wouldn't keep talking to us, you'd go off, get better at it, and take over the world or something.

I'm good with a conartist, love a con artist its a noble profession so I'm not condeming what you're doing.

Just get better at the tricks. You come in here yelling "ITS NOT A TRICK, ITS NOT A FAKE CANDLE!

ok well, I have bat wings that pop out of my back when the sun goes down and i fly around fighting crime. Me saying that and expecting you to believe it is the same as what you're doing. Without evidence, nothing will be proven. And, if you're not interested in proving anything, you'll just stop responding to these.

So, the moment you respond to argue with this, you've proven yourself as interested in proving something, if it were true, you wouldn't care, because its the truth and the truth doesn't need defended because its the truth.

So, go ahead, prove me wrong, say nothing, and go change the world. Or prove me right and defend yourself.

Listen, I don't want to make any money on purpose, to use my ability to make money... but if I will receive any, I will not refuse it, although I haven't ask for money if I would go to a TV show. I'm not a conartist, I just want to to prove you once and for all that telekinesis is real and anybody can have it if they train. That will be final try to convince people of this. After that I will not go to any show... Yes you are right, I wouldn't have come here to this forum... if I knew how spiritual poor you are! And there are many people like you here. I HAVE MY OWN REASONS TO DO THIS, AND I DON'T ASK OR NEED ANY MONEY FOR THIS! I haven't wasted any penny at all, not a dime! I wish you best anyway. And one more thing, you are damn right about answering to people like you. You don't deserve... I will answer to those who will contact me. Edited by simon.john
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simon.john

I don't have an opinion on the validity of the videos here, but I do have a couple of suggestions: simon.john, nip off to the Container Store or your local equivalent and get one of those clear plastic boxes that are made for displaying signed sports paraphernalia; they're inexpensive and close very tightly. Seal your paper thing inside one and then spin it. For the candle flame, light a candle and film it burning normally for several minutes, and then play with it telekinetically. You can't seal the candle inside anything airtight, obviously, but you could get a tall glass wind-guard, or experiment with the candle on the inside of the house and yourself outside of a closed window.

I also wanted to address this side issue:

Don't be silly; if telekinesis is every conclusively demonstrated, it will change the world dramatically; the mere fact that it happens will necessitate some important additions to the known laws of physics.

You might as well ask the Wright Brothers why they bothered to build an airplane, if they could have traveled the exact same distance faster and easier on one of their own bicycles.

Hello. Here is some scientific proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XatvdaOFkV8
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Avallaine

No, it really won't. Not with a mere demonstration. The mere fact that something happens is nowhere near enough to cause change.

Think about it. What additions are going to be made? "Telekinesis is real" doesn't provide a whole lot of explanatory power. Without the phenomena to study in depth, we are left with little more than an anecdote Yep, when all is said and done...videos are really little more than anecdotal evidence).

I did say "if telekinesis is ever conclusively demonstrated." I never said videos were more than anecdotal...particularly not these videos. I agree that they're not worth anything as evidence as they are.

If the Wright brothers were making claims that they had already flown, and were passing around pictures of themselves allegedly in the air, but had nothing else to show, then that example might fly (pun fully intended).

Okay, let's suppose that had happened...I would do the same thing that I have done here: I wouldn't assume their pictures were fake, not at first; I would make suggestions they could follow to improve the quality of their evidence. Then I'd wait and see if anything more happened.

If they never produced any more pictures and I never heard of two guys building a flying machine, then I'd assume the pictures had been faked.

However, if someone said, in my hearing, "So, you have flown? So what? When all is said and done, what did you accomplish that couldn't have been done easier on a bicycle?" I would still defend the principle involved. It's just a matter of...well, principle. ;)

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Rlyeh

Hello. Here is some scientific proof

Youtube videos aren't scientific journals.
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Megan marti

hello.can someone tell me what exactly 'mind over matter' means? I tried but dont know how to have my mind over matter..can someone explain me how to concentrate.?

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simon.john

hello.can someone tell me what exactly 'mind over matter' means? I tried but dont know how to have my mind over matter..can someone explain me how to concentrate.?

Hello Megan.

Mind over matter means, your will, will power, how strong your will is over something, over to do something, or to make something happen. If you want more details, just let me know or send me messages. I will answer to any question related to telekinesis. I wish you best.

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DieChecker

AND ANYBODY CAN DO IT IF THEY TRAIN! Is that hard to understand!?

It falls under the catagory of "Too good to be true". Like my mama said, if it seems too good to be true, it probably isn't true.

You should contact the Church of the Jedi, they could use telekinesis in their worship services and as protectors of the Republic.

Next time I will film everything and anything OK!?, I AM NOT A FOLLOWER OF MAGIC! and I will keep my hands in sight and I will put mirrors behind me and ask some of my friends to film with 2-3 cameras in the same time from different angles. OK!? MABE than you will believe me. I will appear also on TV, I already got an offer to a TV show. But I need to train a little bit more so I can move a heavier object,

A video taken under uncontrolled conditions and posted on youtube is not "proof". It is a video that could hide just about anything.

If you follow the suggestions of myself and some of the others, you'll earm a lot more credit with the posters here.

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I did say "if telekinesis is ever conclusively demonstrated." I never said videos were more than anecdotal...particularly not these videos. I agree that they're not worth anything as evidence as they are.

That's kind of my point. "Conclusively demonstrated" is not and cannot be a one-time thing. Particularly if it intends to change the world to any degree, let alone dramatically. Any single demonstration, no matter how valid, credible, and witnessed, will ultimately do little more than increase the amount of people who believe the phenomena exists.

This is one of the huge things that most advocates of the paranormal and supernatural don't quite incorporate fully: Science isn't about proving the existence of a phenomena. Science is about explaining a particular phenomena that has already been shown to exist. What the vast majority of pro-psychic phenomena do on this forum is try their best to establish the existence of the subject, which is great, but the thing to understand is that, having done so...just means you have finally qualified to begin actual scientific research on the subject. Nothing is actually going to change until the workings of the phenomena are actually explained. Proving the existence of psi isn't the holy grail of psychic research; it's just the invitation to the party. It's the bare minimum expected.

Okay, let's suppose that had happened...I would do the same thing that I have done here: I wouldn't assume their pictures were fake, not at first; I would make suggestions they could follow to improve the quality of their evidence. Then I'd wait and see if anything more happened.

If they never produced any more pictures and I never heard of two guys building a flying machine, then I'd assume the pictures had been faked.

Which is pretty much what we all did here.

However, if someone said, in my hearing, "So, you have flown? So what? When all is said and done, what did you accomplish that couldn't have been done easier on a bicycle?" I would still defend the principle involved. It's just a matter of...well, principle. ;)

What principle would that be? After all, the reason the statement was made was to point out that the OP's intention of posting one more video, then washing his hands of the subject, was pointless. To make an incredible claim, follow it up with not quite so incredible evidence, and respond to objections by stating that one more video will be posted, with no indication that any of the techniques presented were going to be used, and with the catch-all disclaimer of the "Believe whatever you want. It's a free country" family, that's just giving up before you even get started.

In the example above, I would be speaking to the Wright brothers who were holding it as a personal point of pride and accomplishment that they had flown, even though no one had seen them do it and they were unable to replicate the flight under more controlled conditions. Now, they are willing to pass out a few more pictures, but otherwise, they have no plans to continue trying to convince anyone that they flew. "Well, there you go, great, you flew, so what?" Ultimately, unless they realize that no one should ever have the expectation that any one successful demonstration would be sufficient for anything related to science, they may as well not have flown, for all the change they are going to produce.

I'm all for people trying new directions for research. I have little patience for those who give up at the first sign of resistance, simply because they believe their role is merely as the visual aid, and a one-time one at that.

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It falls under the catagory of "Too good to be true". Like my mama said, if it seems too good to be true, it probably isn't true.

You should contact the Church of the Jedi, they could use telekinesis in their worship services and as protectors of the Republic.

A video taken under uncontrolled conditions and posted on youtube is not "proof". It is a video that could hide just about anything.

If you follow the suggestions of myself and some of the others, you'll earm a lot more credit with the posters here.

You are funny and really something.... :) How am I supposed to show you some proof if not through videos. Would you have prefered through images!? I know it isn't much what I have shown you, I know that you can't take it for granted, I know that many think I have framed the videos, lie, you name it, ETC., but it a small proof and evidence that telekinesis and many more abilites any human being can develop. Are we really the most evolved living beings on this planet!? All say yes, but are we? Some aren't, trust me. So this is a way that you can evolve, that you can awaken your spirituality. :) And yes, sometimes if something is too good to be true, usulay it's like that... but not this time friend. You are religious people right? I am too! I have never seen God, but I trust in Him, so are you, or most of you right? We trust because we were raised so, that we trust. Pure religion has no name, it's just is. Jesus, didn't give a name to his followers, didn't say that they are orthodox, or catholic, or protestants, whatever. Why do you think He said, "if anyone believes in Me, shall not die, but live forever" . At what do you think he refered to anyway!? The whole Bible is about sprituality, is to awaken your spirituality... but most religious rulers invented names so they wouldn't allow people to spiritualy evolve, so they can keep "us" in check. Why there are wars in this world, famen, coruption, crimes, you name it? Because how evolved are we!? NO! Eaven some animals are more evolved than a human being. We weren't alow to evolve because some of the people don't like that (if they are realy people, I'm not sure) they don't like to evolve... they need too much of material things, too many of this world... they are incapable to spiritual evolution... so they want to "feed" and of course they need people to "feed and fed" on be keeping us in check, so that we too can't evolve, by giving us problems, wars, diseas, famen, coruption, crimes, etc. Just think a little bit. The change should start from each and every one of us, from within ourselves, from inside. If people were alow to evolve, all of those above wouldn't existed... or it wouldn't have been so many. Edited by simon.john
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You are funny and really something.... :) How am I supposed to show you some proof if not through videos. Would you have prefered through images!? I know it isn't much what I have shown you, I know that you can't take it for granted, I know that many think I have framed the videos, lie, you name it, ETC., but it a small proof and evidence that telekinesis and many more abilites any human being can develop. Are we really the most evolved living beings on this planet!? All say yes, but are we? Some aren't, trust me. So this is a way that you can evolve, that you can awaken your spirituality. :) And yes, sometimes if something is too good to be true, usulay it's like that... but not this time friend. You are religious people right? I am too! I have never seen God, but I trust in Him, so are you, or most of you right? We trust because we were raised so, that we trust. Pure religion has no name, it's just is. Jesus, didn't give a name to his followers, didn't say that they are orthodox, or catholic, or protestants, whatever. Why do you think He said, "if anyone believes in Me, shall not die, but live forever" . At what do you think he refered to anyway!? The whole Bible is about sprituality, is to awaken your spirituality... but most religious rulers invented names so they wouldn't allow people to spiritualy evolve, so they can keep "us" in check. Why there are wars in this world, famen, coruption, crimes, you name it? Because how evolved are we!? NO! Eaven some animals are more evolved than a human being. We weren't alow to evolve because some of the people don't like that (if they are realy people, I'm not sure) they don't like to evolve... they need too much of material things, too many of this world... they are incapable to spiritual evolution... so they want to "feed" and of course they need people to "feed and fed" on be keeping us in check, so that we too can't evolve, by giving us problems, wars, diseas, famen, coruption, crimes, etc. Just think a little bit. The change should start from each and every one of us, from within ourselves, from inside. If people were alow to evolve, all of those above wouldn't existed... or it wouldn't have been so many.

True enough that if we are not allowed to think we will not evolve. Or, at least not evolve in our own favor... I think it is impossible to stop evolution, but I think it could be directed if we let ourselves be directed.

As to proof through video. I did not say, "no video is proof", I said under Uncontrolled Conditions. Adding a glass table and showing the candle is a candle, and using a mirror to show no one is helping.... all are controls that will add to the believability of the video.

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Listen, I don't want to make any money on purpose, to use my ability to make money... but if I will receive any, I will not refuse it, although I haven't ask for money if I would go to a TV show. I'm not a conartist, I just want to to prove you once and for all that telekinesis is real and anybody can have it if they train. That will be final try to convince people of this. After that I will not go to any show... Yes you are right, I wouldn't have come here to this forum... if I knew how spiritual poor you are! And there are many people like you here. I HAVE MY OWN REASONS TO DO THIS, AND I DON'T ASK OR NEED ANY MONEY FOR THIS! I haven't wasted any penny at all, not a dime! I wish you best anyway. And one more thing, you are damn right about answering to people like you. You don't deserve... I will answer to those who will contact me.

I'll take this as a win for skeptics and rationality everywhere.

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