UM-Bot Posted October 27, 2013 #1 Share Posted October 27, 2013 The key to explaining why some dinosaurs were so big may lie in the structure of their bones and joints. Scientists have long pondered over what made it possible for some dinosaurs to grow to immense sizes and why land-based mammals have never been able to do the same. Some sauropod dinosaurs weighed up to 30 tons, far heavier than the largest land mammals. Read More: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/256909/why-did-dinosaurs-grow-to-such-a-large-size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jensen Posted October 27, 2013 #2 Share Posted October 27, 2013 How about dealing with the obvious. ALL giant flora and fauna including Dinosaurs and Hominids in the Geological record grew to a size that was biologically feasible for the attenuated gravity of that time. A 'lighter' or 'less dense' gravitational effect ('G' force) would allow all flora and fauna to increase in relative size compared to the 'G' force of today. As ALL larger flora and fauna died out across the mid Holocene, it is logical to assume that gravity increased in 'density' during that same period. The only problem with the above logical statement, means that IF true, then Einstein was the charlatan that Tesla said he was. And that folks, puts an end to theoretical Physics because Gravity is NOT a fixed Law as Newton postulated. It's all a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and when the reality can no longer be ignored, my oh my, what will we do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimlesswalk Posted October 27, 2013 #3 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) How about dealing with the obvious. ALL giant flora and fauna including Dinosaurs and Hominids in the Geological record grew to a size that was biologically feasible for the attenuated gravity of that time. A 'lighter' or 'less dense' gravitational effect ('G' force) would allow all flora and fauna to increase in relative size compared to the 'G' force of today. As ALL larger flora and fauna died out across the mid Holocene, it is logical to assume that gravity increased in 'density' during that same period. The only problem with the above logical statement, means that IF true, then Einstein was the charlatan that Tesla said he was. And that folks, puts an end to theoretical Physics because Gravity is NOT a fixed Law as Newton postulated. It's all a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and when the reality can no longer be ignored, my oh my, what will we do? That's a very interesting post and I've often wondered why organisms don't grow to the immense size now as they did in earlier ages I always thought it was something to do with higher oxygen levels but after some reading I've found that there doesn't seem to be a definite consensus about this matter. If humans existed back then could maybe they too have also grown to such sizes which reminds of me of the vague stories I've read about giant footprints being found which go against established theories. Edited October 27, 2013 by aimlesswalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawken Posted October 27, 2013 #4 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Why do some species grow large and some small? Maybe several factors come into play. Diet, genetics, enviroment, (etc) Why is an African elephant larger then an Indian elephant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorbia Posted October 27, 2013 #5 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I remember reading somewhere years ago that it at least partially had to do with the fact that oxygen levels where as high as 36% during the age of the dinosaurs compared with the 21% level we currently have.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted October 27, 2013 #6 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) Yes, what Euphorbia said ! I read this also, I think it was on new scientist site, but can't be sure. Edited October 27, 2013 by Aten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient astronaut Posted October 27, 2013 #7 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Because they ate all their vegetables? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finity Posted October 27, 2013 #8 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) There were higher levels of both Oxygen and CO2. That caused both plants and animals to grow huge. The air was a lot different to how it is now. A human (or any modern lifeform) wouldn't be able to breath the air from that era for long. The planet changed a lot after the big one of 65 million years ago Edited October 27, 2013 by Finity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fester John Posted October 27, 2013 #9 Share Posted October 27, 2013 The size difference is because of "ozone". Ozone of that era was 200% greater than it is now. This was because there was an ice shield, or layer surrounding the earth long ago above the atmosphere. Makes you think about the great flood and such... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted October 28, 2013 #10 Share Posted October 28, 2013 How curious, the post counts of all the people in agreement here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted October 28, 2013 #11 Share Posted October 28, 2013 How about dealing with the obvious. ALL giant flora and fauna including Dinosaurs and Hominids in the Geological record grew to a size that was biologically feasible for the attenuated gravity of that time. A 'lighter' or 'less dense' gravitational effect ('G' force) would allow all flora and fauna to increase in relative size compared to the 'G' force of today. As ALL larger flora and fauna died out across the mid Holocene, it is logical to assume that gravity increased in 'density' during that same period. The only problem with the above logical statement, means that IF true, then Einstein was the charlatan that Tesla said he was. And that folks, puts an end to theoretical Physics because Gravity is NOT a fixed Law as Newton postulated. It's all a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and when the reality can no longer be ignored, my oh my, what will we do? What? Cheers, Badeskov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted October 28, 2013 #12 Share Posted October 28, 2013 A 'lighter' or 'less dense' gravitational effect ('G' force) would allow all flora and fauna to increase in relative size compared to the 'G' force of today. Why do you believe gravity would have a significant effect on plant growth? Incidentally, G force is a metric used to indicate the force a body is subjected to during acceleration. It has nothing to do with weight or...density. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted October 28, 2013 #13 Share Posted October 28, 2013 WTF is going on in this thread? I haven't seen this much stupid on UM since the two-legged dogman database thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted October 28, 2013 #14 Share Posted October 28, 2013 My understanding is that except for the sauropods (the ones with the long necks and tails and where we understand the ecological reasons for the size) group that was long extinct before the dinosaurs disappeared most of the larger dinosaurs were on the same order of magnitude as modern mega-fauna (rhinos, hippos and of course elephants). Some bison get up into those ranges too. In other words there is no need to go looking for special reasons. Evolution naturally produces a lot of variation. It seems that oxygen levels were a good deal higher in eras preceding the dinosaurs, which produced some pretty big bugs, but that has to do with insect respiration. The way vertebrates breathe allows big size with much less oxygen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorbia Posted October 28, 2013 #15 Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) WTF is going on in this thread? I haven't seen this much stupid on UM since the two-legged dogman database thread. So, you read the thread, call people's posts stupid, and then not give an answer or an opinion? What the hell......it's the equivalent of coming on and saying "you're wrong" and then leaving without responding to the OP....or saying why we're wrong...or even who is wrong. Edited October 28, 2013 by Euphorbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperdyer Posted October 28, 2013 #16 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Why do you believe gravity would have a significant effect on plant growth? Incidentally, G force is a metric used to indicate the force a body is subjected to during acceleration. It has nothing to do with weight or...density. Since gravity is, as I understand, a combination of the Earth's rotation, mass and speed. The earth's rotation has gradually getting ever so slower as is the relative speed in the galaxy. So wouldn't gravity be slightly less now than it was during the DSino era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted October 28, 2013 #17 Share Posted October 28, 2013 So, you read the thread, call people's posts stupid, and then not give an answer or an opinion? What the hell......it's the equivalent of coming on and saying "you're wrong" and then leaving without responding to the OP....or saying why we're wrong...or even who is wrong. You're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorbia Posted October 28, 2013 #18 Share Posted October 28, 2013 You're wrong. Without reasons, your posts on this thread are meaningless. Anybody can come onto a thread and say "you're wrong".......that takes no intelligence. Please provide an answer or you're just going to come off as a jerk. The thing is, I know you're an intelligent man as you have proven in many posts I have read, so I don't understand why you are calling everyone stupid without something to back it up. I simply gave an opinion of something I heard years ago without looking it up.....so I'm stupid? And what does a person's post count have to do with anything? Even you had a first post. I know this wasn't your post, but you liked it. Are you in a bad mood or have you just gone into jerk mode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted October 28, 2013 #19 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Without reasons, your posts on this thread are meaningless. Anybody can come onto a thread and say "you're wrong".......that takes no intelligence. Please provide an answer or you're just going to come off as a jerk. The thing is, I know you're an intelligent man as you have proven in many posts I have read, so I don't understand why you are calling everyone stupid without something to back it up. I simply gave an opinion of something I heard years ago without looking it up.....so I'm stupid? And what does a person's post count have to do with anything? Even you had a first post. I know this wasn't your post, but you liked it. Are you in a bad mood or have you just gone into jerk mode? I never said your post was stupid. I have read the same thing myself. My comment was i no way directed at you, it was directed at those making up things about gravity, giant humans and the like. I am sorry if you felt my disdain was directed at you. As for the content of my post, I do not feel that I need post something thought provoking nor even intelligent all the time.Sometimes it's more fun to poke at the crazies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorbia Posted October 28, 2013 #20 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I never said your post was stupid. I have read the same thing myself. My comment was i no way directed at you, it was directed at those making up things about gravity, giant humans and the like. Great! I feel better now. I am sorry if you felt my disdain was directed at you. We're good! As for the content of my post, I do not feel that I need post something thought provoking nor even intelligent all the time.Sometimes it's more fun to poke at the crazies. Understood, there was a questionable post or two early on which made me shake my head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibeliever Posted October 28, 2013 #21 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Hmm, now that I know they were so big I'm starting to have my doubts that they were all able to fit on the ark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient astronaut Posted October 28, 2013 #22 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Hmm, now that I know they were so big I'm starting to have my doubts that they were all able to fit on the ark. HUH?????????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted October 28, 2013 #23 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Since gravity is, as I understand, a combination of the Earth's rotation, mass and speed. The earth's rotation has gradually getting ever so slower as is the relative speed in the galaxy. Not quite, but it gets fairly complex. In all cases, neither the rotation of the Earth nor the speed has anything to do with gravity. Gravity is solely a product of the mass of the Earth. So wouldn't gravity be slightly less now than it was during the DSino era? Not really, no, at least, not in any signifigant way that would affect life on Earth. Incidentally, I am not sure where you are getting your information from, but you may want to look into tidal acceleration and tidal decceleration, as I suspect you have heard some incorrect information stemming from both of these phenomena. The question, however, was not about why you believe gravity was different, but rather why you believe plant growth would be affected by it. Have you simply assumed that a plant under less gravity would grow larger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted October 29, 2013 #24 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) http://evillusion.wo...became-a-whale/ well I guess its how a little deer can turned into a big whale:) Edited October 29, 2013 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraldgemheart Posted October 29, 2013 #25 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Maybe they got big because... That's how they were made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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