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I have to say that we all, male and female, young and old, should be able to dress as we want and go where we want when we want without fear of assault, sexual or otherwise. The assaulter should be judged on that basis and no mitigation allowed.

That said, common sense dictates to me that I don't wear gold and fancy rings in public, that I take a low profile and don't exhibit signs of wealth, that I avoid certain areas at certain times, and so on. These are standards for personal behavior but not standards I would impose on others, nor would others doing otherwise be any mitigation for criminal acts.

Would you turn up to a nightclub in your underwear?

While its not quite that bad yet it almost is.

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What's "indecent?" Why should it be illegal? For that matter, what is wrong with looking like or even being a prostitute? I think all these judgments are cultural and in the end narrow-minded bigotry, but I'm willing for someone to show me objectively why not.

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Would you turn up to a nightclub in your underwear?

While its not quite that bad yet it almost is.

It's entirely conceivable were I not such a horrible specimen of humanity that I would go to such a place stark naked. It all depends (I'm not going to get myself arrested though even though I think such laws are merely prudes controlling our freedom.
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My comment could have been written better but its correct. Now another user has connected appearance to rape. If we strip away all the rubbish then most women who get raped share the same characteristics. Basically if they dress like a tart a lot of men out they assume they are a tart and will treat them like one too. Fact of life. Ignoring or refusing to acknowledge this isnt going to make the problem go away. Women who choose to be ignorant while going out dressed and acting like tarts make themselves targets. They send the wrong message out to men.

Why would a woman go out dressed like that anyway? They obviously have no self respect to begin with.

So you are basically saying all women that go to the beach in the summer and like to relax in the sun wearing a bikini deserve to get raped because of the way they have dressed? And I guess you would also assume all women that take part in sports like the sprinters at the Olympics are asking for it due to them wearing tight fitting sports gear?

Do you see that it does not really make any difference what they are wearing? What about all the kids raped by adults, were they somehow asking for it in your mind, you clown.

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So you are basically saying all women that go to the beach in the summer and like to relax in the sun wearing a bikini deserve to get raped because of the way they have dressed? And I guess you would also assume all women that take part in sports like the sprinters at the Olympics are asking for it due to them wearing tight fitting sports gear?

Do you see that it does not really make any difference what they are wearing? What about all the kids raped by adults, were they somehow asking for it in your mind, you clown.

There are some of the most unstreetwise people I have ever met in my life on this forum. I suspect many of you have never actually been outside your houses.

Wearing a bikini to the beach is both socially and culturally acceptable. Dressing like a hooker isnt. Thats why everyone stands there watching women dressed like that in a nightclub. Some think tramp, some are laughing at her and others are just shocked. Then theres the perves who target her. If you're letting your child daughter wonder around dressed like a hooker then theres something wrong with you. Dont come crying to me when shes yet another teen pregnancy statistic.

Then again with some of the views on here I wouldnt be surprised to find some of you think the sexualisation of children is acceptable? Some seem to think everything else is acceptable even with illegal things such as public nudity and prostituition. Liberal extremism with complete disregard to its implications on society but thats what happens when individualism is taken too far. No wonder the west is in the moral and social state that it is.

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There are some of the most unstreetwise people I have ever met in my life on this forum. I suspect many of you have never actually been outside your houses.

Wearing a bikini to the beach is both socially and culturally acceptable. Dressing like a hooker isnt. Thats why everyone stands there watching women dressed like that in a nightclub. Some think tramp, some are laughing at her and others are just shocked. Then theres the perves who target her. If you're letting your child daughter wonder around dressed like a hooker then theres something wrong with you. Dont come crying to me when shes yet another teen pregnancy statistic.

Then again with some of the views on here I wouldnt be surprised to find some of you think the sexualisation of children is acceptable? Some seem to think everything else is acceptable even with illegal things such as public nudity and prostituition. Liberal extremism with complete disregard to its implications on society but thats what happens when individualism is taken too far. No wonder the west is in the moral and social state that it is.

Well, you seem to have some specific ideas of which women, in your mind, should expect to get raped and those that don't. I used to go clubbing twice a week every week for about 10 years (across several cities in 2 different countries) and still never saw a lass and thought 'she's asking to be raped'. I just saw mostly happy people out having fun.

You are actually a pretty creepy guy, and you seem to have some 'ability' in that you can look at a woman without knowing her and in your mind decide if she deserves to be raped or not. What you say doesn't even make much sense, you seem to think that just because a woman dresses provocatively in a night club she is fair game for rapists but if she wears similar or less clothes at a beach then the rapists should stay away. Do you not think that the responsibility of rape should entirely be on the rapist? I hope you are bright enough one day to realize how absurd you are making yourself appear.

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Well, you seem to have some specific ideas of which women, in your mind, should expect to get raped and those that don't. I used to go clubbing twice a week every week for about 10 years (across several cities in 2 different countries) and still never saw a lass and thought 'she's asking to be raped'. I just saw mostly happy people out having fun.

You are actually a pretty creepy guy, and you seem to have some 'ability' in that you can look at a woman without knowing her and in your mind decide if she deserves to be raped or not. What you say doesn't even make much sense, you seem to think that just because a woman dresses provocatively in a night club she is fair game for rapists but if she wears similar or less clothes at a beach then the rapists should stay away. Do you not think that the responsibility of rape should entirely be on the rapist? I hope you are bright enough one day to realize how absurd you are making yourself appear.

It isnt about being 'fair game' as you put it. Its about the woman making herself a target whether it be because she is naive, ignorant or refuses to factor in what human nature is like.

Its like me leaving my car door unlocked, refusing to lock it because I shouldnt have too, then getting upset when someone steals the thing. I'm an idiot for leaving it unlocked in the first place. Does that make the car theft any less of a crime? No it doesnt. Does it make me partly responsible? Yes it does because I failed to take basic steps to protect my property while knowing what human nature is like.

I can guarentee my daughters wont be druggies, teen pregnancy statistics, rape victims, mugging victims, assault victims, etc. But then again I have my head more screwed on than you do. I see the world for what it is not what it should be.

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It isnt about being 'fair game' as you put it. Its about the woman making herself a target whether it be because she is naive, ignorant or refuses to factor in what human nature is like.

Its like me leaving my car door unlocked, refusing to lock it because I shouldnt have too, then getting upset when someone steals the thing. I'm an idiot for leaving it unlocked in the first place. Does that make the car theft any less of a crime? No it doesnt. Does it make me partly responsible? Yes it does because I failed to take basic steps to protect my property while knowing what human nature is like.

I can guarentee my daughters wont be druggies, teen pregnancy statistics, rape victims, mugging victims, assault victims, etc. But then again I have my head more screwed on than you do. I see the world for what it is not what it should be.

Leaving a car unlocked is not the same "come and rape me", people leaving cars unlocked is people forgetting they have locked thier cars. You see that a few times but some of those times cars don't get knicked. i say its luck.

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I actually think you're kind of naïve SilentHunter.

I've personally been a victim of a violent crime, not a rape, but the incident could have gone that way had my attacker decided he wanted it to. I did EVERYTHING right. My only crime was going to a Mexican restaurant on a Sunday night at 9pm to meet some friends in a good part of town my own neighborhood. As a woman, as a human, I should be able to do that. I even saw my attacker when I pulled into the parking lot, and being aware, I chose a parking spot in front of the restaurant doors which was more well lit that others. There were even people standing outside less than thirty feet away. He STILL came at me when I opened the car door to get out, and hit me in the face hard enough to break my cheek bone, break my nose and crush my sinuses. Contrary to your belief, I did NOTHING to invite that attack, except get out of my car. Luckily, he wasn't a rapist as far as I know, but if he had been, I have no doubt I would have been a rape victim.

Two of my girlfriends have been raped in the last decade... neither were provocatively dressed, both were in places they had every right to be in safely. Their situations were not unlike mine! One went to meet friends like I did (dressed in super sexy jeans and a pull over sweatshirt), the other was merely leaving work (wearing a super sexy market checkers uniform), these were things they'd done thousands of times before. They parked their cars in well lighted lots and (and in once case it was an attended lot!) and didn't make it to dinner or their car, but instead wound up in ambulances. Women should NOT be required to have an escort to go out to eat or to their car after work!! We should be able to do that safely! But, there were always be rapists, there will always be criminals... you do the best you can, but you can't do it perfectly every single time. You pretty much just hope your number isn't up unfortunately.

If you're going to be realistic, you can only reduce the amount of risk you're in at any given time, you cannot eliminate it unless you're going to lock yourself in a windowless concrete block and never leave it or open it up to anyone.

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It isnt about being 'fair game' as you put it. Its about the woman making herself a target whether it be because she is naive, ignorant or refuses to factor in what human nature is like.

Its like me leaving my car door unlocked, refusing to lock it because I shouldnt have too, then getting upset when someone steals the thing. I'm an idiot for leaving it unlocked in the first place. Does that make the car theft any less of a crime? No it doesnt. Does it make me partly responsible? Yes it does because I failed to take basic steps to protect my property while knowing what human nature is like.

I can guarentee my daughters wont be druggies, teen pregnancy statistics, rape victims, mugging victims, assault victims, etc. But then again I have my head more screwed on than you do. I see the world for what it is not what it should be.

Can I ask what nationality you are? And where you are going to chain your daughters up to protect them from the sins of the west is and all our morals and social state.

I know there are two sides to every discussion but you are way off target with your opinions.

A women should be able to dress how the hell they want to, or should we enforce a full Burka dress code, so a woman cannot dress to look attractive. You use the term ” Dressing like a hooker” does this include tight tops, short skirts, boots, is every single woman that dresses like this a hooker or inviting rape. Good luck with your burka or Amish dress code..

You say most of the people on this forum are “un-streetwise” Tell me what qualifies you as the gangster of the forum, the hip street wise god?

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I agree Miss Melswell,

It does seem that Silent Hunter is naive because it seems that his idea of how hookers dress is shot straight out of the movies or bad television programs and doesn't consider that not all prostitutes are female or adults. Prostitutes can also be raped and most people who are in prostitution have been raped either before entering the life and often after. It is also an under reported crime since some people like to forget they are people too and often treat them like garbage and throwaways. It's because of this mindset that serial rapist and killers often target prostitutes.

Mabon.

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One of the two of my friends mentioned in my previous post didn't report her rape for two years... Why? Because she KNEW her attacker, and worse? He was a cop in her neighborhood. Someone ELSE she knows finally reported it against her wishes. He did eventually get prosecuted, but only because she wasn't the only innocent woman he violated.

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One of the two of my friends mentioned in my previous post didn't report her rape for two years... Why? Because she KNEW her attacker, and worse? He was a cop in her neighborhood. Someone ELSE she knows finally reported it against her wishes. He did eventually get prosecuted, but only because she wasn't the only innocent woman he violated.

Poor girl and a story we hear so many times.

I wonder how many individuals get away with this crime, especially people in a position of trust, (cops, politicians, etc) Cops used to target Native American girls, because they felt they had more power and control over them and any complaints against them.

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Silenthunter I hope you read the following facts and get rid of this deluded, misogynistic mindset you have regarding women. Even when you brought up children you only focused on girls, it was therefore clearly not in your mind to mention children just because they are vulnerable, like old people and disabled people are too who fall into the vulnerable group and are targeted MORE SO than your flimsy opinion piece about the image of women in night clubs. You also left out boy children as well who also suffer a large percentage of abuse at the hands of sexual predators.

Instead, you only mentioned girl children and blame girls being sexualised as the reason for it which is an extension of your overall attitude towards women, objectifying them as an "image" and nothing else. If no one else is going to inform you then i will, because children are not sexualised beings, it is society that projects that onto children, and it is through the eye of the beholder. Most adults do not see children as a sexual no matter what they are wearing, or putting on their face. But your views are clearly distorted because image controls your perception so strongly since you base your entire argument around it. In your eyes even if a child is dressed up in 'hooker' style clothes, you are saying they are somehow asking for it or will wind up pregnant as teenagers. You are concluding that it is ok for a woman to be in "this image" and then she will be safe from all harm ever toughing her, but not "that image" - but you fail to count for child boys or the disabled or elderly. You can not ignore the whole demographic and focus just on women. It isn't rational to do so.

It is also known that the majority of rape attacks are committed by people known to the person and by people in trusted positions to them, carers, guardian figures, relatives, friends, work collogues, husbands, boyfriends. It is also known that rape has nothing to do with sexualisation but power and control. It is categorised as a violent crime and that alone sinks your nonsensical opinion right out the water.

Lastly, For someone who enjoys getting into the psychological side of matters, it stumps me as to why you completely ignore the facts in mabons post and mine regarding the known prolific facts about sexual predators and predators in general. ( Mabon that was an excellent post and very informative) It is understood that when you have people who live to control and abuse others through their power games and control, and as mabon put it, "within their experience range", that only the very novice ones are going to be deterred at all by any common sense measures taken. The one thing that predators look to get is trust and trust means letting your guard down or being manipulated to do so, be it through drugs, ie having a drink spiked. The other issue is in the type of attacks where it is spontaneous and unpredictable there is no way anyone can see it coming if the predator has lined up and gone for you. He is going to strike when you least expect it.

Anyway, until something on this level of violence happens to you or someone close to you, you can have no idea of just how stupid your remarks are sounding.

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I should be clear... while there were five people standing about 30 feet away from my attack, they honestly did not see it. I believe if they had, they would have attempted to stop it, they were mortified when they saw me crawling up the sidewalk and felt horrible they hadn't seen anything. They were good people, the instant they realized something was very wrong, they really jumped in to help. Their vision was obscured by some bright awning lights--kind of like when you're standing inside a bright house and try to look out into the dark you can't see much. And, while I thought I was screaming my fool head off, the damage to my face was so extensive I actually couldn't make any sounds loud enough for any of them to hear.

Oddly, earlier that evening, before I arrived at the restaurant, my best friend walked out to her boyfriends truck alone to grab something. They were parked behind the building and it was VERY dark back there. My attacker (who I don't believe was ever caught) actually followed her and watched her get into the truck and walk back into the restaurant. He could have easily rolled her and stolen the truck. But he didn't. We don't know why. She and I look enough alike to almost be sisters, we were dressed similarly as well having both come from the same wedding earlier in the evening... I just showed up about a half hour later because I had to drop my daughter off with a sitter. The whole thing was just strange.

In fact, it's a really good example of how even if you do everything right, you can still end up on the wrong end of an attack... or you can do everything wrong and wind up being left alone--by the same attacker! There's literally no explanation as to why he chose to hurt me rather than her.

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Silenthunter I hope you read the following facts and get rid of this deluded, misogynistic mindset you have regarding women. Even when you brought up children you only focused on girls, it was therefore clearly not in your mind to mention children just because they are vulnerable, like old people and disabled people are too who fall into the vulnerable group and are targeted MORE SO than your flimsy opinion piece about the image of women in night clubs. You also left out boy children as well who also suffer a large percentage of abuse at the hands of sexual predators.

Hey? I dont hate women. I wasnt the one that brought up girl children either I simply replied to someone using girl children as ammunition to try to project onto me. Children are vulnerable and thats why I dont like the way some parents allow their kids to dress. When it comes to women in nightclubs I wasnt referring to the way 99% of them dress its the other 1% and I think you knew what I meant.

Instead, you only mentioned girl children and blame girls being sexualised as the reason for it which is an extension of your overall attitude towards women, objectifying them as an "image" and nothing else.

Nope, the poster I replied to mentioned girl children which is why my reply mentioned girl children. If they had talked about the old, disabled, boy children or other vulnerables then my reply would have focused on them. You're constructing and protecting onto me now.

If no one else is going to inform you then i will, because children are not sexualised beings, it is society that projects that onto children, and it is through the eye of the beholder. Most adults do not see children as a sexual no matter what they are wearing, or putting on their face. But your views are clearly distorted because image controls your perception so strongly since you base your entire argument around it.

My comments that you refer too are based on my view that many teenage boys note which teenage girls 'seem or look easy' and then teen pregnancy using follows. That wouldnt happen if the parents stopped the sexualisation of their kids caused by trash teenager magazines, pop music, peer pressure and whatever other sources exist. Most parents are responsible and wont let their 14 year-old daughter go out in a miniskirt and g-string. Some bad parents do.

In your eyes even if a child is dressed up in 'hooker' style clothes, you are saying they are somehow asking for it or will wind up pregnant as teenagers. You are concluding that it is ok for a woman to be in "this image" and then she will be safe from all harm ever toughing her, but not "that image" - but you fail to count for child boys or the disabled or elderly. You can not ignore the whole demographic and focus just on women. It isn't rational to do so.

No, no, no, Rape is rape and deserves a long prison sentence. I simply think that women should act to reduce their chances of being victims by not being that 1% who are dressed over the top. In my opinion yes, children who are dressed provocatively have high chances of ending up pregnant. You dont really think that the teenage boys are going to be hovering around girls like Meg out of Family Guy do you?

It is also known that the majority of rape attacks are committed by people known to the person and by people in trusted positions to them, carers, guardian figures, relatives, friends, work collogues, husbands, boyfriends. It is also known that rape has nothing to do with sexualisation but power and control. It is categorised as a violent crime and that alone sinks your nonsensical opinion right out the water.

Well that might be true but I dont know. Perhaps my view of who becomes rape victims needs widening. I wont argue with this part of your reply but I'm not impressed with the earlier stuff. Thats because its all constructions and projections based on taking me out of context.

Lastly, For someone who enjoys getting into the psychological side of matters, it stumps me as to why you completely ignore the facts in mabons post and mine regarding the known prolific facts about sexual predators and predators in general. ( Mabon that was an excellent post and very informative) It is understood that when you have people who live to control and abuse others through their power games and control, and as mabon put it, "within their experience range", that only the very novice ones are going to be deterred at all by any common sense measures taken. The one thing that predators look to get is trust and trust means letting your guard down or being manipulated to do so, be it through drugs, ie having a drink spiked. The other issue is in the type of attacks where it is spontaneous and unpredictable there is no way anyone can see it coming if the predator has lined up and gone for you. He is going to strike when you least expect it.

Yes, but do you know that is true or do you assume that is true? I take what people write on the internet with a pinch of salt no matter how much confidence they speak with. If you want me to see its about power then how about links to proper studies of rapists showing thats the case?

Like mels, I have been involved in what would be termed a viscous unpredictable attack ( not rape ) but the unpredictability of it was what was most traumatising part for me and it happened in a public place in front of many people passing by who did nothing to help. That was the second most traumatising part to it. I had to take control of the situation as a passer byer, and organise a group of people standing near just watching, to assist the lady being assaulted and what was it all over ? because the woman who was assaulted rejected the advances of a sleazy man and she was 'punished' for doing so. In getting involved in trying to help i was also held by the throat and threatened.

Well if she did nothing to provoke him then she has my sympathy. However I also realise that about a quarter of women dont respond with 'sorry, I've got a boyfriend' or 'sorry, I'm not interested' when they get chatted up. Their idea of telling a man no is to be verbally abusive and sometimes that makes a man snap. I also know most of them will lie about it afterwards too giving a one-sided version of events. Every man on the planet has experienced this.

Anyway, until something on this level of violence happens to you or someone close to you, you can have no idea of just how stupid your remarks are sounding.

This debate seems to be like a parent telling their teenage daughter she isnt going out dressed like that. The parent with their life experience knows their daughter will be putting herself in danger with the outfit she is wearing. But of course the teenage daughter (you in this case! lol) thinks she knows best and things the parent has some kind of problem.

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Oh please just get over the outfits and the image thing - it has eff all to do with it.

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Latest study coming out of the eastern world, that the massive problem with rape over there completely squashes your opinions that it is just a western world issue. One out of four Asian men have admitted to raping or going there without getting consent.

Historically speaking and culturally speaking the issue and problem with rape has always been prevalent, even in the days when women were not allowed out to public establishments without her husband or an a male escourt.

And in just catching your slur there in me being the teenage daughter and protesting to the parent, if you must know, i am not a girly girl and never have been, so wearing revealing clothes or 'hooker' clothes is something far out of my style. But even i know that still has nothing to do it with it. So no you don't get that point.

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Latest study coming out of the eastern world, that the massive problem with rape over there completely squashes your opinions that it is just a western world issue. One out of four Asian men have admitted to raping or going there without getting consent.

Historically speaking and culturally speaking the issue and problem with rape has always been prevalent, even in the days when women were not allowed out to public establishments without her husband or an a male escourt.

And in just catching your slur there in me being the teenage daughter and protesting to the parent, if you must know, i am not a girly girl and never have been, so wearing revealing clothes or 'hooker' clothes is something far out of my style. But even i know that still has nothing to do it with it. So no you don't get that point.

I saw the report from Asia this morning and found that distressing but sadly not surprizing and there doesn’t seem to be a day go by when some gang rape in India against a poor girl isn’t reported, although ‘silenthunter’ will probably say they were proactively dressed in a school uniform and brought it on to themselves.

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I saw the report from Asia this morning and found that distressing but sadly not surprizing and there doesn’t seem to be a day go by when some gang rape in India against a poor girl isn’t reported, although ‘silenthunter’ will probably say they were proactively dressed in a school uniform and brought it on to themselves.

Yes that's the one i saw as well, and before that, there has been a lot reported of western citizens (British, Europeans, Americans) being targeted as rape victims by men/gangs in India. The problem is so bad that various innovations have been invented by Indians to try and curb it, such as the device that women can wear that will mutilate a man down there if he tries. I'm not going to go into explicit detail but if you want to know do the research.

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Barbara Hewson, a human rights and civil liberties barrister? More like Rape Apolgist and Internalised Misogynist!

I'd be incredibly concerned for any victim of rape who has the misfortune of this vile woman trying their case in court.

Perhaps it's unkind to say, but my first thought is that she'd be singing a different tune if it was her / her daughter / her son/ her friend who is a victim of sexual violence. Her attitude is such a reflection of her wealth and privilege, it's an expression of how safe she feels in her ivory tower.

A victim of rape is purely that ....a victim and never to blame. Nobody asks to be raped - regardless of their chosen attire, their choice to drink alcohol, whether they wore make up, danced and flirted with men in a nightclub ...the blame lies solely with the perpetrator, the man who feels the need to exert his power and control to physically and emotionally hurt and humiliate his victim.

I only wish that more victims had the confidence to report - but it is very clear that disclosures aren't taken nearly seriously enough and victims will internalise rather than report because they know it will go nowhere - and while we have seriously deluded barristers (like Barbara Hewson) at the bar here in the UK I can't say I blame them :no:

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Yes that's the one i saw as well, and before that, there has been a lot reported of western citizens (British, Europeans, Americans) being targeted as rape victims by men/gangs in India. The problem is so bad that various innovations have been invented by Indians to try and curb it, such as the device that women can wear that will mutilate a man down there if he tries. I'm not going to go into explicit detail but if you want to know do the research.

I am a security specialist and Several years ago I was tasked with recovering a young girl that had been abducted by her father (an Afghan) from her mother (an American). She went to Afghanistan with her dad and was never returned, her mum hired us to find her and bring her home, to the US.

It was by far the most expensive child recoveries we had taken on and was very complicated I the early stages… but we found her and the mother confirmed it was her daughter from the still and video footage we sent back to her.

Normally we would never snatch a child because of the stress it puts onto them, they don’t know we are there to help them, they just see themselves being taken by strangers, but this time we had no option but to carry out a full blown extraction, due to the location and the risk to the child and custodial parent we would normally involve in the recovery.

The child was 13 years old and had been with her father and a travelling nomadic community for about 14 months & now pregnant. Our surveillance showed us she was passed around the tribe like a piece of meat.

I try to carry out all our child recoveries as non-profit and tax free because the profit margin or the additional tax can influence the outcome of getting a child back home.. anyway, the Mother of this girl was paying in stages, (phases).

  • Find and locate.
  • Surveillance and planning.
  • The recovery.

We had been paid right up until the recovery phase and once the mother had witnessed the images and video footage and had seen her daughter pregnant…. She pulled the plug on the final phase, the recovery of her daughter.

I had plans in place to remove this child from this environment, I knew she would be dead within the next 2 years if she stayed with these animals and was subjected to being abused and raped on a regular basis.

During the surveillance I witnessed, I didn’t see it but I knew she was being raped and even now I beat myself up and think I (we) should have stepped in and done something at the time but I do know things would have turned out differently if I had done that.

Anyway.. once the mother pulled the plug and said she didn’t want her daughter back, I decided we would foot the bill for her extraction ourselves out of our teams own pockets, after all a life in the USA with or without her mum would be better than the life she had.

We did what we went to do, the girl was taken in by new parents who took and supported her baby girl also and even now I get cards and letters from them both…

Every time I read a rape news story it reminds me of this job and the images that go through my head while doing the surveillance on this job, knowing this child was being raped, should I have stepped in earlier.. I know professionally, it would have made the outcome very different but it doesn’t help.

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She pulled the plug on the final phase, the recovery of her daughter.

I don't have the words to respond to that...

I just know that this subject touches me more personally than what's been said, and it goes to show the extent of how many people it really affects in all the roles in connection to it. Your contribution really helped to show that. I wish we could all know what it takes to get rid of the problem.

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To rape someone you need to objectify them first ie: diminish in your mind their rights as a human being to not be assaulted/molested and their right to self determination. This is the crux of the issue - power and control over others because "others" do not have equal value in the perpetrators mind as their own personal desires.

In a world where we are breaking all the old bigotries and hatreds based on race, colour and sexual preference, the fact that so many will still diminish the rights of others to not be assaulted regardless of where they are or how they are dressed is truly sad and it is fundamentally ridiculous to try and justify or shift blame to the victim in any way.

If it was the "victim" that was responsible then the civil rights movement alone would never have gotten a foothold and many would still be sitting at the back of the bus because they should know better than to risk themselves by sitting where they please aka: "they have only themselves to blame for putting themselves in harms way".

Women specifically will not break through these insidious misogynistic norms if we never challenge them and determine that in doing so we do not lose our right not to be assaulted as a result. Don't blame the brave for stepping up and living life as they wish by dressing as they wish and going where they wish - blame the perpetrators for denying them the right to do so and, by default of shifting judgement to the victim then denying EVERY female these rights to live a free and full life knowing that if they are molested the person doing so is a criminal and will be the sole one judged for the crime.

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Latest study coming out of the eastern world, that the massive problem with rape over there completely squashes your opinions that it is just a western world issue. One out of four Asian men have admitted to raping or going there without getting consent.

Historically speaking and culturally speaking the issue and problem with rape has always been prevalent, even in the days when women were not allowed out to public establishments without her husband or an a male escourt.

And in just catching your slur there in me being the teenage daughter and protesting to the parent, if you must know, i am not a girly girl and never have been, so wearing revealing clothes or 'hooker' clothes is something far out of my style. But even i know that still has nothing to do it with it. So no you don't get that point.

I'm calling you out on that reply.

As the chart attached below shows 84,767 women were raped in the USA between 2004 and 2010. That makes the USA the rape capital of the world. The UK was third with 15,934. Now the USA population is just over five times that of the UK so 5 x 15,934 = 79670 putting it in the same category as the USA. Strangely enough the USA and the UK society are both in the same poor condition.

India is in second, but before we get carried away, lets remember that India has a population of 1.2 billion. I'll call that four times the number of USA citizens so 22172/4 = 5543. No where near the problem that the UK and USA have.

Now will you start to see my perspective?

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(My apologies. If you compare the chart to the numbers I give you can see they appear to match up. The popups giving the exact figures which I quote are disabled when uploading the file. Thats where they came from).

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