seeder Posted November 10, 2013 #1 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Found in the Trash: A Box of Otherworldly Notes and strange drawings Drawings of flying craft, statements like "“Now things start to get a little odd. It seems that the artist saw something in Tampa, FL in 1977 that changed him … This appears to be an early sketch of the event”. http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/11/06/found-in-the-trash-a-box-of-otherworldly-notes/ 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSS Posted November 10, 2013 #2 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Haven't had chance to look through it all, but at first glance - what a fantastic find! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted November 10, 2013 Author #3 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Haven't had chance to look through it all, but at first glance - what a fantastic find! Yes it is, a bit like the voynich manuscript but readable! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted November 10, 2013 #4 Share Posted November 10, 2013 A Beautiful Mind ....yeah....probably scizophrenic....just saying... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted November 10, 2013 #5 Share Posted November 10, 2013 The last documents seem to be a design for a railroad roller bearing. Typically a pair of simple taper bearings are used in RR truck applications. For reasons unknown, this design has counter-rotating cylinder bearings and a complex retaining race. I cannot imagine a railroad adopting such a design. It would be expensive to manufacture and would not offer any advantages over existing designs. The person who created these documents clearly had extensive training as a draftsman. There is high degree of skill demonstrated in both the lettering and delineations, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted November 10, 2013 Author #6 Share Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) Found another link with MANY zoom-able images, and therefore readable. The author seems to have an Ezekiel's Wheel thing going on.. scroll thru them here http://imgur.com/a/uCSg1 . . Edited November 10, 2013 by seeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted November 10, 2013 #7 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Pretty neat, and weird the drawings kind of remind me of the artwork style of the Thoth deck, or a series of posters from Encyclopedia Britannica my parents had when I was a kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted November 10, 2013 #8 Share Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) The crazy stuff seems to be from the 70's and 80's. There is even a reference to Omni magazine which was a pseudo-scientific magazine produced by Bob Guccione. Serious lowest-common-denominator stuff. Edited November 10, 2013 by sinewave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keninsc Posted November 10, 2013 #9 Share Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) Yeah, the guy was probably a draftsman or an engineer. The plastic like material is synthetic mylar, used commonly by draftsmen. I used to work with a fellow who was into drawing maps and such back before computers, the internet and satellite imagery. I began my professional career as a draftsman then went on to get my BSME. The stuff look pretty familiar. Apparently they belonged to a man by the name of Daniel Christiansen in St. Petersburg. At least that's the name some envelops are addressed to. Edited November 10, 2013 by keninsc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted November 10, 2013 #10 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Yeah, the guy was probably a draftsman or an engineer. The plastic like material is synthetic mylar, used commonly by draftsmen. I used to work with a fellow who was into drawing maps and such back before computers, the internet and satellite imagery. I began my professional career as a draftsman then went on to get my BSME. The stuff look pretty familiar. Yeah, that's probably modern vellum. It was used for presentation drawings or for archival purposes. Since the advent of computer drafting, those methods and materials have nearly vanished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keninsc Posted November 10, 2013 #11 Share Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) Several of the drawing are geometric which many draftsmen used to do in order to hone the drawing skills. I used to make many like them in my spare time back when I had my old drafting board and machine. Yeah, they used to be common as dirt, now if you mention doing drawing on mylar or linen or vellum people look at you like you're wearing a bear skin and carrying a stone tipped spear. He make a lot of references to OMNI magzine which died quietly in the eighties. I used to subscribe to it myself. The ex thought I was whacked for subscribing to it, but then I thought he subscription to Better Homes and Garden was strange as well. The guy apparently was a very good free-hand drawer as well. He may have been a technical illustrator rather than a detail draftsman........he might have been both. My guess is the guy probably died and his family was just clearing out his things. That's the way of it, when we die everyone looks threw our deep personal stuff and then tosses it out in the trash. Edited November 10, 2013 by keninsc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted November 10, 2013 #12 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Several of the drawing are geometric which many draftsmen used to do in order to hone the drawing skills. I used to make many like them in my spare time back when I had my old drafting board and machine. Yeah, they used to be common as dirt, now if you mention doing drawing on mylar or linen or vellum people look at you like you're wearing a bear skin and carrying a stone tipped spear. He make a lot of references to OMNI magzine which died quietly in the eighties. I used to subscribe to it myself. The ex thought I was whacked for subscribing to it, but then I thought he subscription to Better Homes and Garden was strange as well. The guy apparently was a very good free-hand drawer as well. He may have been a technical illustrator rather than a detail draftsman........he might have been both. My guess is the guy probably died and his family was just clearing out his things. That's the way of it, when we die everyone looks threw our deep personal stuff and then tosses it out in the trash. Unless it has value then they fight over who gets to have / sell it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keninsc Posted November 10, 2013 #13 Share Posted November 10, 2013 True, that's why when I die I'm going to have a will with a no challenge clause. If you challenge the will then you get nothing, zero, zippo. Not that I have a great deal, but I have seen people fight over the damn lent in the dyer at times. "You really want great-grand mother's old underwear?" Things people fight over, at times I simply don't understand, goes right over my head so high it doesn't even mess up my hair......what little hair I have that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted November 10, 2013 #14 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Good find, seeder. Will be interesting as the docs are further examined and crtiqued. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted November 10, 2013 #15 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Maybe those drawings were part of a sci-fi story he was planning to write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qxcontinuum Posted November 10, 2013 #16 Share Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) i think it is a vintage engineer architectural sci-fi drawings. Maybe even a school project. If signed by a renowned artist might bring some money at Antiques Road show. It is from 1920's no late than 1940's Edited November 10, 2013 by qxcontinuum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted November 10, 2013 #17 Share Posted November 10, 2013 i think it is a vintage engineer architectural sci-fi drawings. Maybe even a school project. If signed by a renowned artist might bring some money at Antiques Road show. It is from 1920's no late than 1940's It is from later than that. Some of the mechanical drawings are dated 1939 and others in the 40s's. The crazy stuff seems to be from the 70's and later. There is a mention of Omni magazine and there are late 70's dates on some of the artwork. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted November 10, 2013 #18 Share Posted November 10, 2013 There are some bits in the second gallery that are dated 1991 too.. Along with some pretty amusing kids drawings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbi Laveau Posted November 10, 2013 #19 Share Posted November 10, 2013 A few couple of the sketches remind me of ancient time telling devices. The one with the figure with four heads, is reminiscent of Egyptian depictions of God's and alleged spaceman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonFromPorlock Posted November 10, 2013 #20 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Definitely worth preserving: the overall feel is "schizophrenic," but a damned talented one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qxcontinuum Posted November 10, 2013 #21 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I've seen also a Zoroastrian representation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted November 10, 2013 #22 Share Posted November 10, 2013 There are some bits in the second gallery that are dated 1991 too.. Along with some pretty amusing kids drawings. I strongly suspect it is not the work of a single person though I would not rule out an Alzheimer's victim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 11, 2013 #23 Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) Maybe those drawings were part of a sci-fi story he was planning to write. I thought that might be the case as well, or a sudden interest resulting in research. It sure would be interesting to talk to him, I wonder if he would be like Man Ray or Zoser? Whilst the guy in the safari suit is always the most interesting guy at a party to speak to, deliberate ignorance is an entirely different thing. This picture seems to show both what could be spaceships, as well as fairies. In many depictions we see religion and sci fi crossing paths. Artistic expression is very much individual, not sure why people look beyond the artist for such. They are paintings, not photos. One can paint a picture of Cat Dog, that does not mean any such creature ever existed. Edited November 11, 2013 by psyche101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted November 11, 2013 #24 Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) This is really cool and I would love to know more about it. Perhaps, though, it is the mystery which makes it so much more interesting. I am, however, surprised zoser hasn't shown up and declared this proof of ET's yet. Edited November 11, 2013 by Imaginarynumber1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 11, 2013 #25 Share Posted November 11, 2013 This is really cool and I would love to know more about it. Perhaps, though, it is the mystery which makes it so much more interesting. I am, however, surprised zoser hasn't shown up and declared this proof of ET's yet. I agree, historical finds like this are more than interesting. Kudos to Seeder for spotting and sharing this one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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