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[CyberKen]

The magical. Obama never had magic, will be unable to put it off. There is nothing magical about Obama. There was only marketing, deception and the misguided hope of others, including a small fraction in myself.

And may I add, may Holder be dammed.

If the government had been paying more for medical R&D, the health care costs would not be so high.

Holder : Will be Impeached in the House of Representatives. I'm sure the GOP /Tea Party has made a list and checked it twice.

It's hard to say what the U.S. Senate will do to Eric Holder.

[regeneratia]

Holder : Will be Impeached in the House of Representatives. I'm sure the GOP /Tea Party has made a list and checked it twice.

It's hard to say what the U.S. Senate will do to Eric Holder.

Ironically, the GOP is waking up. They were certainly asleep during the Bush years. I do not like the GOP but they may be able to clean up government, ... perhaps. I seriously doubt it tho. They don't have the magic either.

I have to move this keyboard.

Edited November 14, 2013 by regeneratia

[+OverSword]

But as I said with Obamacare all along: Better marginal healthcare than no healthcare at all.

I've never had no insurance so can not identify with this statement.

[Merc14]

Apparently Obama has decided he can change any law just by invoking his own name. ACA made it illegal to sell policies that didn't meet ACA standards so they canceled old policies and offered the new ACA policy (and some idiotts blame the insurance companies) and people went nuts! They voted these crooks into office a second time and now they are complaining. So waht does teh dictator in chief do? He decides he can unilaterally change the law. Can you imagine a republican president usurping congress' powers?

So the democrats kick another can down the road to get one more election out of the way before the full weight of Obamacare hits. This is why Bill is attacking the Obama regime. He knows his wife will be running as a democrat and that the democrats will be feeling the wrath of the nation in 2016 so teh Clinton's need to distance themselves from Obama. Ten to one BC dumps on Obama re. his latest "solution".

Strangely absent is Obamacare's #1 cheerleader here at UM . Startraveler hasn't made a post on this site since 10/4, when the Sh hit the fan. He spent months here extolling the virtues of Obamacare but has gone silent. Ninja pops up every now and again and says everything is fine, and that startraveler was spot-on, completely oblivious to reality, as usual. A month ago ted Cruz was called a terrorist by the same democrats scrambling to do exactly what he was trying to do at the time.

[CyberKen]

Apparently Obama has decided he can change any law just by invoking his own name. ACA made it illegal to sell policies that didn't meet ACA standards so they canceled old policies and offered the new ACA policy (and some idiotts blame the insurance companies) and people went nuts! They voted these crooks into office a second time and now they are complaining. So waht does teh dictator in chief do? He decides he can unilaterally change the law. Can you imagine a republican president usurping congress' powers?

So the democrats kick another can down the road to get one more election out of the way before the full weight of Obamacare hits. This is why Bill is attacking the Obama regime. He knows his wife will be running as a democrat and that the democrats will be feeling the wrath of the nation in 2016 so teh Clinton's need to distance themselves from Obama. Ten to one BC dumps on Obama re. his latest "solution".

Strangely absent is Obamacare's #1 cheerleader here at UM . Startraveler hasn't made a post on this site since 10/4, when the Sh hit the fan. He spent months here extolling the virtues of Obamacare but has gone silent. Ninja pops up every now and again and says everything is fine, and that startraveler was spot-on, completely oblivious to reality, as usual. A month ago ted Cruz was called a terrorist by the same democrats scrambling to do exactly what he was trying to do at the time.

Democrat Howard Dean shares your views. He says this New Quick Fix by Obama is illegal.

"I wonder if Obama has the legal authority to do this, since this was a congressional bill that set this up."

The existing ACA needs to be altered or repealed altogether.

The altered ACA must make the old health care plans legal instead of illegal.

[lightly]

Oh, so THAT was the plan after all ? - Single Payer / Public Option -

Well now, who could have seen that coming?

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Just today Pelosi said a fix is on the way!!!

I'm guessing their " Fix " is not the Single Payer. It will propose a Big Fat Check from the government ( subsidy ) to all Americans

who have lost their health care plans. There you go! Now you can buy the more expensive health care plan! Merry Christmas ?!

We will have to wait and see.

That is a distinct possibility. That would be a bailout for the insurance companies. The important thing , after all, is that Insurance companies get lots of money.

Another glowing example of claiming to do something for the Public Good... which , in reality is just a transfer of wealth from the public to the private sector .

[Merc14]

That is a distinct possibility. That would be a bailout for the insurance companies. The important thing , after all, is that Insurance companies get lots of money.

Another glowing example of claiming to do something for the Public Good... which , in reality is just a transfer of wealth from the public to the private sector .

Just how are insurance companies the bad guys here? They were legally bound to offer only ACA approved policies which all of the canceled policies were not. Should they have ignored the law?

[CyberKen]

That is a distinct possibility. That would be a bailout for the insurance companies. The important thing , after all, is that Insurance companies get lots of money.

Another glowing example of claiming to do something for the Public Good... which , in reality is just a transfer of wealth from the public to the private sector .

I think now Pelosi will trot out her Quick Fix. ( ??? Who knows what it will be???)

The John Boehner Quick Fix should actually open and alter ObamaCare instead of a lame Band-Aid.

It's not a good sign when Democrat Howard Dean suggests that Obama is breaking the law.

[lightly]

Just how are insurance companies the bad guys here? They were legally bound to offer only ACA approved policies which all of the canceled policies were not. Should they have ignored the law?

Yes, they are legally bound to cancel policies which don't comply, and replace them with policies which do comply and cost more. That is no accident.. it's just a plan gone haywire. The expected result was to be millions of more NEW policies being paid for by those forced to comply with the act.

Since nearly a third ? of Americans currently had No health insurance policies .. the mandated millions would be a BONANZA to insurance companies. They like to play the odds and it pays off. It's Business ...they end up taking in much more than they pay out.

I smell their greedy hands all over this bill... don't you? I also smell the drug companies.. who should be expecting a windfall as well when millions and millions of newly insured, decide they might as well use it.... Go to a pill happy Dr. and , odds are, walk out the door with at least one prescription.

This thing was designed to make insurance companies and drug companies money. The poor newly insured would enrich the drug companies too... on our tax dollars.

Anyone starting to notice a pattern here in the relationships between governments and BIG business?

[CyberKen]

Yes, they are legally bound to cancel policies which don't comply, and replace them with policies which do comply and cost more. That is no accident.. it's just a plan gone haywire. The expected result was to be millions of more NEW policies being paid for by those forced to comply with the act.

Since nearly a third ? of Americans currently had No health insurance policies .. the mandated millions would be a BONANZA to insurance companies. They like to play the odds and it pays off. It's Business ...they end up taking in much more than they pay out.

I smell their greedy hands all over this bill... don't you? I also smell the drug companies.. who should be expecting a windfall as well when millions and millions of newly insured, decide they might as well use it.... Go to a pill happy Dr. and , odds are, walk out the door with at least one prescription.

This thing was designed to make insurance companies and drug companies money. The poor newly insured would enrich the drug companies too... on our tax dollars.

Anyone starting to notice a pattern here in the relationships between governments and BIG business?

If ObamaCare is not repealed, then i can see New Medical Practices popping up practicing - Concierge Medicine -.

I have to tell you that this looks like - Real Affordable Health Care -.

This is how it works. By refusing to deal with insurance companies, these practices can keep overhead and administrative costs low.

Thereby providing affordable healthcare to patients.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concierge_medicine

Edited November 14, 2013 by CyberKen

[travelnjones]

Yes, they are legally bound to cancel policies which don't comply, and replace them with policies which do comply and cost more. That is no accident.. it's just a plan gone haywire. The expected result was to be millions of more NEW policies being paid for by those forced to comply with the act.

Since nearly a third ? of Americans currently had No health insurance policies .. the mandated millions would be a BONANZA to insurance companies. They like to play the odds and it pays off. It's Business ...they end up taking in much more than they pay out.

I smell their greedy hands all over this bill... don't you? I also smell the drug companies.. who should be expecting a windfall as well when millions and millions of newly insured, decide they might as well use it.... Go to a pill happy Dr. and , odds are, walk out the door with at least one prescription.

This thing was designed to make insurance companies and drug companies money. The poor newly insured would enrich the drug companies too... on our tax dollars.

Anyone starting to notice a pattern here in the relationships between governments and BIG business?

No **** ?!!? Government regulation seems like an idea, until the regulated realizes it can get in bed with the government and REALLY **** us over!

Edited November 14, 2013 by travelnjones

[spartan max2]

No **** ?!!? Government regulation seems like an idea, until the regulated realizes it can get in bed with the government and REALLY **** us over!

a perfect opening for the comic lol

[preacherman76]

BS. He absoolutely wants single payer and has said as much to some of his favorite constituents such as the SEIU. He told then that was the ultimate goal but it would take a few years to get there and ACA was teh first step. What stopped him from putting it in the original bill is that it would never have been passed in to law because every idiot that voted for single payer in a country of this size would be out of office the next election cycle.

BS nothing. Single payer was in the bill originaly, and he pulled it before the vote. His supporters loved it. His fellow dems in office loved it. The only people who hated it were republicans and libertarians, and they were gonna hate what ever he brought to the table. Stop letting main stream make you chace your tail. He isnt a socialist. He is a fascist. Bank/Corprate rule.

[preacherman76]

Well actually harry Reid did say that it is a stepping stone to a single payer he basically says they plan on going single payer. Im on mobile so too much work to link it but yeah feel free to look it up

Oh dont get me wrong, they WANT you to think single payer is the distant plan. Slight of hand my friend. You gotta stop listening to what they say, and instead watch what they actualy do. Again, if he wanted single payer, it would be a reality right now. He had the votes. He had the support.

[preacherman76]

I've never had no insurance so can not identify with this statement.

Me either. Well till ACA put it out of my price range.

[lightly]

If ObamaCare is not repealed, then i can see New Medical Practices popping up practicing - Concierge Medicine -.

I have to tell you that this looks like - Real Affordable Health Care -.

This is how it works. By refusing to deal with insurance companies, these practices can keep overhead and administrative costs low.

Thereby providing affordable healthcare to patients.

http://en.wikipedia....cierge_medicine

Anything is worth a try at this point .. but it looks like it would still be out of reach for many many people? middle america' just doesn't seem to understand how poor many others are. ...Cost of Living... has gone out of sight compared to average incomes.

[preacherman76]

Apparently Obama has decided he can change any law just by invoking his own name. ACA made it illegal to sell policies that didn't meet ACA standards so they canceled old policies and offered the new ACA policy (and some idiotts blame the insurance companies) and people went nuts! They voted these crooks into office a second time and now they are complaining. So waht does teh dictator in chief do? He decides he can unilaterally change the law. Can you imagine a republican president usurping congress' powers?

So the democrats kick another can down the road to get one more election out of the way before the full weight of Obamacare hits. This is why Bill is attacking the Obama regime. He knows his wife will be running as a democrat and that the democrats will be feeling the wrath of the nation in 2016 so teh Clinton's need to distance themselves from Obama. Ten to one BC dumps on Obama re. his latest "solution".

Strangely absent is Obamacare's #1 cheerleader here at UM . Startraveler hasn't made a post on this site since 10/4, when the Sh hit the fan. He spent months here extolling the virtues of Obamacare but has gone silent. Ninja pops up every now and again and says everything is fine, and that startraveler was spot-on, completely oblivious to reality, as usual. A month ago ted Cruz was called a terrorist by the same democrats scrambling to do exactly what he was trying to do at the time.

You mean like declaring war on Afgan and Iraq without congressional approval?

Aside from that, Good post

[preacherman76]

That is a distinct possibility. That would be a bailout for the insurance companies. The important thing , after all, is that Insurance companies get lots of money.

Another glowing example of claiming to do something for the Public Good... which , in reality is just a transfer of wealth from the public to the private sector .

Just how are insurance companies the bad guys here? They were legally bound to offer only ACA approved policies which all of the canceled policies were not. Should they have ignored the law?

The dems and the insurance companies went into a room, and shut the door behind them. Both sides knew exactly what was gonna happen, cause both sides planned the whole damn thing. They are in on it hand and hand together. Thats why they want people focused on this 'single payer' BS. They have people trying to build a defense against a unreal situation, while letting them get away with exactly what they wanted to do all along. Another major step tward a global fascist police state.

[Merc14]

BS nothing. Single payer was in the bill originaly, and he pulled it before the vote. His supporters loved it. His fellow dems in office loved it. The only people who hated it were republicans and libertarians, and they were gonna hate what ever he brought to the table. Stop letting main stream make you chace your tail. He isnt a socialist. He is a fascist. Bank/Corprate rule.

Wow, finally someone who read the bill before it was passed. LMFAO, What a crock of you know what. Prove it.

[+and-then]

So Obama is the first president in history who is capable of magically changing or ignoring any law he disagrees with - EVEN when HE was responsible for the law originally. Add to that he is helping several million people to get health insurance cards who don't have or didn't choose to have them at the expense of another several million who are working and paying but now will have to resort to going to an ER because they lost their insurance due to ACA fueled price hikes - does that about sum it up? And NOT ONE DAMNED congresscritter is willing to risk his career to fight what should be impeachable conduct on this president's part!!!!

[CyberKen]

Anything is worth a try at this point .. but it looks like it would still be out of reach for many many people? middle america' just doesn't seem to understand how poor many others are. ...Cost of Living... has gone out of sight compared to average incomes.

Of course it would be "out of reach for many people". It's called a 2 Tier System.

The Concierge Medicine sure has benefits. - No wait times -

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

The Concierge Medicine sure has benefits. - No wait times -

And you can promise that that will happen even when there are millions of people on a concierge system?

Millions of people in line for surgery and you can still promise "no wait times"?

Sounds like a pipe dream to me.

[CyberKen]

And you can promise that that will happen even when there are millions of people on a concierge system?

Millions of people in line for surgery and you can still promise "no wait times"?

Sounds like a pipe dream to me.

Millions of rich people do not all of a sudden require - surgery -.

The all cash option sure makes a lot of sense.

Their administrative costs are low. As an added bonus the patients can - request privacy - and tell the nosy U.S. Government to " Get lost !"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concierge_medicine

[Frank Merton]

If you control costs you can have such a system for the vast majority of the population. I know cause I live where one functions a lot like that.

[CyberKen]

If you control costs you can have such a system for the vast majority of the population. I know cause I live where one functions a lot like that.

Control Costs in ObamaCare = Death Panels - iPAB