CyberKen Posted November 15, 2013 #1 Share Posted November 15, 2013 The Republican Bill offered by Fred Upton passed the House November 15, 2013. 39 Democrats defected and hopped on the Bill Clinton row boat ( Think Titanic ). 261 Voted - Yes 157 Voted - No 12 Did Not Vote Official Count Here: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll587.xml The article is here: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/15/House-Passes-Upton-Fix-for-ObamaCare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted November 15, 2013 #2 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Glad to have heard this(I saw this previously on CNN) Changes in the ACA are much needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted November 15, 2013 Author #3 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Glad to have heard this(I saw this previously on CNN) Changes in the ACA are much needed. - If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan. - unless of course a Republican offers a bill that makes sure it really happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshadow60 Posted November 15, 2013 #4 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Crooks, every single one of them. I wouldn't believe them if they said the sky was blue. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoIverine Posted November 15, 2013 #5 Share Posted November 15, 2013 So...there's no Kate Upton? Meh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted November 15, 2013 #6 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Crooks, every single one of them. I wouldn't believe them if they said the sky was blue. I wouldn't trust them to open a can of baked beans that was already open. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted November 16, 2013 #7 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Of course it will never pass the Senate or be signed by the president. The Goppers are attention !!!#!!#s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted November 16, 2013 #8 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Of course it will never pass the Senate or be signed by the president. The Goppers are attention !!!#!!#s. Which would be really mature of el Presidente, wouldn't it? It's on his desk, the people elected to speak for the people have spoken and he says "sod off". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted November 16, 2013 #9 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Live everyday like it's your last. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted November 16, 2013 #10 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Of course it will never pass the Senate or be signed by the president. The Goppers are attention !!!#!!#s. Why would the Senate oppose a bi-partisan measure such as this? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted November 16, 2013 Author #11 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Why would the Senate oppose a bi-partisan measure such as this? This bipartisan bill has passed the House. Now we get to wait and see what kind of goodies Nancy Pelosi throws in her bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted November 16, 2013 #12 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Which would be really mature of el Presidente, wouldn't it? It's on his desk, the people elected to speak for the people have spoken and he says "sod off". First it's not on his desk. Second, it is his job to uphold his ideals. Maybe you just don't understand the legislative process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted November 16, 2013 #13 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Why would the Senate oppose a bi-partisan measure such as this? just because it has some bipartisan support does not make it right or good. In fact, the Senate will drop kick this into the little round file just like all the other Gopper Teapartier attempts to kill the ACA. And rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted November 16, 2013 #14 Share Posted November 16, 2013 First it's not on his desk. Second, it is his job to uphold his ideals. Maybe you just don't understand the legislative process. Well as I live in a Constitutional Monarchy, I kind of expect my head of state to be a figurehead and for the two Houses of Parliament to do all the legislating. We elect them (may God forgive us) and they make the legislation and the Head of State signs them into Law. Why does the Head of State do that? Because the people we elected to make decisions made a decision. The people spoke and the Head of State listened. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted November 17, 2013 #15 Share Posted November 17, 2013 In the US, the president signing the law is not just a rubber stamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted November 17, 2013 #16 Share Posted November 17, 2013 In the US, the president signing the law is not just a rubber stamp. I'm genuinely curious now. Have there been any other instances of Presidents ignoring the will of the Senate and the House of Reps? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted November 18, 2013 Author #17 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I'm genuinely curious now. Have there been any other instances of Presidents ignoring the will of the Senate and the House of Reps? Yes, President Richard Nixon had a bunker mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted November 18, 2013 #18 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Yes, President Richard Nixon had a bunker mentality. And did things go well for him? (nope) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted November 19, 2013 #19 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I'm genuinely curious now. Have there been any other instances of Presidents ignoring the will of the Senate and the House of Reps? the wiki is your friend. there have been thousands. Obama has vetoed two. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted November 19, 2013 Author #20 Share Posted November 19, 2013 And did things go well for him? (nope) President Richard Nixon got re-elected ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taun Posted November 19, 2013 #21 Share Posted November 19, 2013 First it's not on his desk. Second, it is his job to uphold his ideals. Maybe you just don't understand the legislative process. The Presidents job is NOT to "uphold his ideals"... The Presidents job is to Administratively represent the PEOPLE, just as Congress Legislatively represents us and the Judiciary represents us ...er um... Judicially... Politicians in a Democracy (all forms) are Public Servants not Public Masters... Though most of them quickly forget that.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted November 19, 2013 Author #22 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The Presidents job is NOT to "uphold his ideals"... The Presidents job is to Administratively represent the PEOPLE, just as Congress Legislatively represents us and the Judiciary represents us ...er um... Judicially... Politicians in a Democracy (all forms) are Public Servants not Public Masters... Though most of them quickly forget that.... Oh , i see. So it is not King Obama ? That explains why everybody is keeping a very close eye Obama's Approval Numbers. 39% and falling..... The next drop will occur November 30, 2013 when HealthCare.gov is still DEAD.....RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taun Posted November 19, 2013 #23 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Oh , i see. So it is not King Obama ? That explains why everybody is keeping a very close eye Obama's Approval Numbers. 39% and falling..... The next drop will occur November 30, 2013 when HealthCare.gov is still DEAD.....RIP. I never once said "King" Obama... Nor did I mention any one particular politican... And approval ratings are important BECAUSE they are servants... If they were truely "Masters" our approval would be a moot point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted November 19, 2013 Author #24 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I never once said "King" Obama... Nor did I mention any one particular politican... And approval ratings are important BECAUSE they are servants... If they were truely "Masters" our approval would be a moot point... Obama's Approval Rating % is very low. More importantly, Obama has lost credibility. Nobody believes what he says. - If you want to keep your doctor, you can keep your doctor. - - If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan ---- PERIOD ! Well, Pinocchio Obama got 4 Pinocchio's from the Washington Post. --------- Democrat Kirsten Powers says Obama needs to stop lying. She says Obama keeps calling her old plan - substandard -. That makes her blood boil. There was - nothing - wrong with her old plan that just got cancelled. The truth is that this is all just - wealth redistribution - . People who can afford to pay more are subsidizing people who cannot. The White House is NOT saying that. ---------- Well, good for you Kirsten! It's called - Subterfuge - and it's right out of the Secular Progressive Tool Box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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