sean6 Posted December 1, 2013 #1 Share Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) Humans evolved after a female chimpanzee mated with a pig': Extraordinary claim made by American geneticist The human species began as the hybrid offspring of a male pig and a female chimpanzee, a leading geneticist has suggested. The startling claim has been made by Eugene McCarthy, of the University of Georgia, who is also one of the worlds leading authorities on hybridisation in animals. He points out that while humans have many features in common with chimps, we also have a large number of distinguishing characteristics not found in any other primates. http://www.dailymail...geneticist.html Edited December 1, 2013 by sean6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bendy Demon Posted December 1, 2013 #3 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I read it and it was so moronic it made me wanna puke profusely. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted December 1, 2013 #4 Share Posted December 1, 2013 What is scary is that this msn is a leading geneticist at a university 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 1, 2013 #5 Share Posted December 1, 2013 What is scary is that this msn is a leading geneticist at a university You have to remember, it's an American University. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendy Demon Posted December 1, 2013 #6 Share Posted December 1, 2013 So, basically a dismally bored (or very confused) monkey shagged a pig one day and now we have humans! Well, there you go. Evolution just got tossed out the window. Lovely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controller Junkie Posted December 1, 2013 #7 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Grunt oink oink, oh i mean wow, this dude is crazy but also a much acredited scientist. Maybe too smart for his own good. I mean really did he even think about what he was imlpying... Well hopefully no one actually buys this nonsense , even with his credentials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted December 1, 2013 #8 Share Posted December 1, 2013 You have to remember, it's an American University. BURN! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skep B Posted December 1, 2013 #9 Share Posted December 1, 2013 That pig must've had mad game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted December 1, 2013 #10 Share Posted December 1, 2013 But...but...what about the bear? I mean, you need a bear to make a 'man/bear/pig', right? (makes about as much sense as this silly nonsense hypothesis) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted December 1, 2013 #11 Share Posted December 1, 2013 But...but...what about the bear? I mean, you need a bear to make a 'man/bear/pig', right? (makes about as much sense as this silly nonsense hypothesis) But man/bear/pig is real I tell you 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted December 1, 2013 #12 Share Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) Initially the idea sounded extremely unlikely, but I went to the guy's site and started to read more. http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html#.UprPnH-9KSM There are many very interesting points he makes, and he develops his ideas in an easy to understand manner. There are sidebars full of fascinating points, for example this one, which is: ______________________________ A list of traits distinguishing humans from other primates DERMAL FEATURES Naked skin (sparse pelage) Panniculus adiposus (layer of subcutaneous fat) Panniculus carnosus only in face and neck In "hairy skin" region: - Thick epidermis - Crisscrossing congenital lines on epidermis - Patterned epidermal-dermal junction Large content of elastic fiber in skin Thermoregulatory sweating Richly vascularized dermis Normal host for the human flea (Pulex irritans) Dermal melanocytes absent Melanocytes present in matrix of hair follicle Epidermal lipids contain triglycerides and free fatty acids FACIAL FEATURES Lightly pigmented eyes common Protruding, cartilaginous mucous nose Narrow eye opening Short, thick upper lip Philtrum/cleft lip Glabrous mucous membrane bordering lips Eyebrows Heavy eyelashes Earlobes FEATURES RELATING TO BIPEDALITY Short, dorsal spines on first six cervical vertebrae Seventh cervical vertebrae: - long dorsal spine - transverse foramens Fewer floating and more non-floating ribs More lumbar vertebrae Fewer sacral vertebrae More coccygeal vertebrae (long "tail bone") Centralized spine Short pelvis relative to body length Sides of pelvis turn forward Sharp lumbo-sacral promontory Massive gluteal muscles Curved sacrum with short dorsal spines Hind limbs longer than forelimbs Femur: - Condyles equal in size - Knock-kneed - Elliptical condyles - Deep intercondylar notch at lower end of femur - Deep patellar groove with high lateral lip - Crescent-shaped lateral meniscus with two tibial insertions Short malleolus medialis Talus suited strictly for extension and flexion of the foot Long calcaneus relative to foot (metatarsal) length Short digits (relative to chimpanzee) Terminal phalanges blunt (ungual tuberosities) Narrow pelvic outlet ORGANS Diverticulum at cardiac end of stomach Valves of Kerkring present in small intestines Mesenteric arterial arcades Multipyramidal kidneys Heart auricles level Tricuspid valve of heart Laryngeal sacs absent Vocal ligaments Prostate encircles urethra Bulbo-urethral glands present Os penis (baculum) absent. Hymen Absence of periodic sexual swellings in female Ischial callosities absent Nipples low on chest Bicornuate uterus (occasionally present in humans) Labia majora CRANIAL FEATURES Brain lobes: frontal and temporal prominent Thermoregulatory venous plexuses Well-developed system of emissary veins Enlarged nasal bones Divergent eyes (interior of orbit visible from side) Styloid process Large occipital condyles Primitive premolar Large, blunt-cusped (bunodont) molars Thick tooth enamel Helical chewing BEHAVIORAL/PHYSIOLOGICAL Nocturnal activity Particular about place of defecation Good swimmer, no fear of water Extended male copulation time Female orgasm Short menstrual cycle Snuggling Tears Alcoholism Terrestrialism (Non-arboreal) Able to exploit a wide range of environments and foods RARE OR ABSENT IN NONHUMAN PRIMATES: Heart attack Atherosclerosis Cancer (melanoma) ______________________________ Interesting that the Pig has all those traits, just like us. Edited December 1, 2013 by Hugh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 1, 2013 #13 Share Posted December 1, 2013 In all fairness... Eugene McCarthy is advancing a theory of his own. He is promoting what he calls the Stabilization Theory. He posits (to my understanding) that evolutionary novelty occurs in a more or less spontaneous and stable form. Not in the nutty crocoduck creationist way, but rather at the genetic level, where phenotypes still have a bit of flexibility, but not so much as to evolve to an entirely new species. And he does make a genuine effort to explain data and phenomena, as opposed to just complaining about it or pretending it is wrong. It's...science. Sure, it's unconventional, sure it may not be correct, but I am not geneticist or biologist, so I cannot say. I can say that I have looked at his website and primae facie, it doesn't spring the usual red flags I get when reading other "alternative" (read: creationist) theories. I did raise an eyebrow at his link to peer review, as the first piece posted is less a formal critique and more a positive op ed piece (scientific peer review doesn't involved praising the author for the excellent writing and riveting narrative). I haven't read his complete argument yet, and I am somewhat impatient to get to what seems to be his crucial point regarding certain axioms he claims have been passed down without proper skeptical inspection. That said, His writing has caught my interest enough to continue reading it. If he is a nutter, he is, at this point, to me, at least a fairly persuasive one. I will reserve judgement on his theory till I have finished reading it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted December 1, 2013 #14 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Here's another article about it: http://phys.org/news/2013-07-chimp-pig-hybrid-humans.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaturtlehorsesnake Posted December 1, 2013 #15 Share Posted December 1, 2013 well, if we're talking articles, there's this one, quoted in the daily mail article as well, i think: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/07/02/the-mfap-hypothesis-for-the-origins-of-homo-sapiens/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted December 1, 2013 #16 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Perhaps he is trying to point out that 'some one or some thing' manipulated both gene sets to produce 'Man'...as such a thing cannot occure in nature i.e. infertility normally results from hybridization... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted December 1, 2013 #17 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Hybridization results in hybrid vigor, not infertility. If you have mules in mind that is breeding different species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted December 1, 2013 #18 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I'd say the fact that we share many physical traits with pigs (as listed earlier), that are not found in other primates, suggests that there is a later genetic connection to them than is currently thought. How this came about is open for debate, but I'd think in reality, the path of human evolution involved many different branches over millions of years interbreeding with each other. The further back you go, the more the branches join together to be a common one. If you go back far enough you find the common ancestor of the pig/chimp/human. Move forward a few million years and you find a divergence, but still the possibility of interbreeding producing hybrids. If we came from a line that involved an early primate breeding with an early pig tens of millions of years ago, that might explain why we have some of the physical features of each. Scientists will eventually figure it all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted December 1, 2013 #19 Share Posted December 1, 2013 There is such a thing as convergent evolution, and humans and pigs are both omnivores. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted December 1, 2013 #20 Share Posted December 1, 2013 There's nothing ground-breaking abut the theory Mr McCarthy proposes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LzSX37C5J4 Mrs Garrison has already proposed the 'truth' about evolution. (Sorry, I had to do it.) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SameerPrehistorica Posted December 1, 2013 #21 Share Posted December 1, 2013 What the......... hmm....Alright, Chimpanzee mated with a Dinosaur and Human beings evolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted December 1, 2013 #22 Share Posted December 1, 2013 before I'm going to believe this someone is going to have to show me the offspring of a chimp and a pig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted December 1, 2013 #23 Share Posted December 1, 2013 before I'm going to believe this someone is going to have to show me the offspring of a chimp and a pig I think people get caught up in the thinking of the current version of chimp and pig rather than the earlier versions that were in a closer evolutionary state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrant lizard Posted December 1, 2013 #24 Share Posted December 1, 2013 If I'm related to a pig I want to be able to ejaculate for half an hour like a pig. And find truffles 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted December 1, 2013 #25 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I think people get caught up in the thinking of the current version of chimp and pig rather than the earlier versions that were in a closer evolutionary state. There are something like 80 million years since chimps and pigs shared a common ancestor. There are 5 - 7 million years since humans and chimps share an ancestor. Pigs have 38 chromosomes, chimps 48, and humans 46. Humans and chimps most likely are too separated to produce viable offspring though we are much more closely related than pig and chimps. Even than pigs and chimps would have been 10 mya. And you are going to suggest that they could produce viable offspring? I don't think so. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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