Simbi Laveau Posted December 7, 2013 #1 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Yes folks, first water is not a right, and now wind and sun shine, are not free..... I assume there will soon be a vitamin D personal production tax as well. ~~~~~~~~~~ An alliance of corporations and conservative activists is mobilizing to penalize homeowners who install their own solar panels — casting them as “free riders” — in a sweeping new offensive against renewable energy. Over the coming year, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) will promote legislation with goals ranging from penalizing individual homeowners and weakening state clean energy regulations, to blocking the Environmental Protection Agency, which is Barack Obama’s main channel for climate action.Details of ALEC’s strategy to block clean energy development at every stage — from the individual rooftop to the White House — are revealed as the group gathers for its policy summit in Washington this week.About 800 state legislators and business leaders are due to attend the three-day event, which begins on Wednesday with appearances by the Wisconsin senator Ron Johnson and fellow Wisconsinite and Republican budget guru Paul Ryan.Another ALEC speaker will be senator Ted Cruz of Texas, a leading figure behind the recent government shutdown, and the governors of Indiana and Wyoming, Mike Pence and Matt Mead. For 2014, ALEC plans to promote a suite of model bills and resolutions aimed at blocking Barack Obama from cutting greenhouse gas emissions, and state governments from promoting the expansion of wind and solar power through regulations known as Renewable Portfolio Standards. More here : http://grist.org/climate-energy/alec-calls-for-penalties-on-free-rider-solar-panel-users/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=update&utm_campaign=socialflow And here : http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/ALEC_In_Wisconsin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorbia Posted December 7, 2013 #2 Share Posted December 7, 2013 http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed I don't believe the people will allow any of this to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickian Posted December 7, 2013 #3 Share Posted December 7, 2013 In the vaguest of ways I can understand some restrictions on rainwater(not wanting to disrupt the natural collection into reservoirs/ground water and so on), but trying to limit solar power is just plain greed. If that every happens, next thing you know energy companies will get legal rights to charging for sunlight collection in their area of service. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted December 7, 2013 #4 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I hope you are right. This is insane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy4 Posted December 7, 2013 #5 Share Posted December 7, 2013 America, land of the free, home of the...wait, are you trying to get clean renewable energy?! Not here!! We need to get paid too! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted December 7, 2013 #6 Share Posted December 7, 2013 In the vaguest of ways I can understand some restrictions on rainwater(not wanting to disrupt the natural collection into reservoirs/ground water and so on), but trying to limit solar power is just plain greed. If that every happens, next thing you know energy companies will get legal rights to charging for sunlight collection in their area of service. How are they going to convince the sun to only shine on those who pay? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor T Posted December 7, 2013 #7 Share Posted December 7, 2013 WTF FTW This is how revolutions begin.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted December 7, 2013 #8 Share Posted December 7, 2013 really? really? Wtf .... ****ers... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veledran Posted December 7, 2013 #9 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Georgia Power is looking into charging people a monthly fee for having solar panels. http://savannahnow.com/news/2013-10-18/ga-power-proposed-rate-hike-solar-fee-blasted#.UqPA-eJ2_Og Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 7, 2013 #10 Share Posted December 7, 2013 http://www.alecexpos...ki/ALEC_Exposed I don't believe the people will allow any of this to pass. What do the people have to do with it? The politicians with their snouts in the trough will do whatever is bidden of them by the people who brought them. How are they going to convince the sun to only shine on those who pay? They'll go around and smash the solar panels. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted December 7, 2013 #11 Share Posted December 7, 2013 This is insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayno Posted December 7, 2013 #12 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Nothing's free. Everything has baggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted December 7, 2013 #13 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Sunshine isn't free? Since when? If I pay to build solar panels on my own land how does anyone have the right to charge me anything for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 7, 2013 #14 Share Posted December 7, 2013 This is insane This is 'Merica. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted December 7, 2013 #15 Share Posted December 7, 2013 This is 'Merica. I didn't think it was possible but I think I've just become an anarchist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted December 7, 2013 #16 Share Posted December 7, 2013 http://www.alecexpos...ki/ALEC_Exposed I don't believe the people will allow any of this to pass. Baaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaaa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted December 7, 2013 #17 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Sunshine isn't free? Since when? If I pay to build solar panels on my own land how does anyone have the right to charge me anything for this? Because its not fair that YOU should be able to put up Solar Panels when there are poor people out there that need Government assistance. Can you not see that you are depriving them of some of that assistance because you are depriving the government of much needed tax dollars by not paying the Electiric Company? That's not only un-patriotic SC. That is selfish! ahem...just trying to think like Ninjadude... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libstaK Posted December 7, 2013 #18 Share Posted December 7, 2013 http://www.alecexpos...ki/ALEC_Exposed I don't believe the people will allow any of this to pass. No, you are right the people would not allow any of this to pass. That's why you have a Congress, to pass the things the people would not otherwise allow to pass. They could so easily hide it in an innoculous and random bit of legislation about Parks Maintenance or some such and bingo it's legislation. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted December 7, 2013 #19 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Because its not fair that YOU should be able to put up Solar Panels when there are poor people out there that need Government assistance. Can you not see that you are depriving them of some of that assistance because you are depriving the government of much needed tax dollars by not paying the Electiric Company? That's not only un-patriotic SC. That is selfish! ahem...just trying to think like Ninjadude... I don't know man. You know I'm all for helping the poor, but I pay income taxes, I pay sales taxes, I pay property taxes on property that has been paid for for twenty years. A couple of years ago I had to register my well for some unspecified reason and now I can't even utilize the sunshine that is shining on me? For once I am absolutely speechless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbi Laveau Posted December 8, 2013 Author #20 Share Posted December 8, 2013 http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed I don't believe the people will allow any of this to pass. We can hope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbi Laveau Posted December 8, 2013 Author #21 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Everyone does know, the solar panels are somehow connected to satellite grids, and if it's deemed we are getting too much free energy, the satellite connections can be terminated by whomever controls it, which I think are the electric companies. Iforget tthe semantics of it, but there's something like that in effect as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted December 8, 2013 #22 Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) I don't know man. You know I'm all for helping the poor, but I pay income taxes, I pay sales taxes, I pay property taxes on property that has been paid for for twenty years. A couple of years ago I had to register my well for some unspecified reason and now I can't even utilize the sunshine that is shining on me? For once I am absolutely speechless. You are obviously suffering from the dillusion that the government does not own the sun. Have YOU put a flag on the moon? No. You haven't. The government put a flag on the moon and therefore...as history has taught us to accept these things...possession is 9/10 of the law. Government put a flag on the moon, therefore Government has claimed and so, owns, the moon. Since the moon is closer to the sun that Earth is...it is logical to conclude that Government also owns the sun. And you think you can just take the Governments sunshine for free? It doesn't work like that. The Government gives you so much and all you do is complain about how much tax you have to pay. Remember, when you put up a solar panel, a child in Detroit goes hungry because of it. If even one child goes hungry because of your selfishness...is your solar panel really worth it? Edited December 8, 2013 by joc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted December 8, 2013 #23 Share Posted December 8, 2013 You are obviously suffering from the dillusion that the government does not own the sun. Have YOU put a flag on the moon? No. You haven't. The government put a flag on the moon and therefore...as history has taught us to accept these things...possession is 9/10 of the law. Government put a flag on the moon, therefore Government has claimed and so, owns, the moon. Since the moon is closer to the sun that Earth is...it is logical to conclude that Government also owns the sun. And you think you can just take the Governments sunshine for free? It doesn't work like that. The Government gives you so much and all you do is complain about how much tax you have to pay. Remember, when you put up a solar panel, a child in Detroit goes hungry because of it. If even one child goes hungry because of your selfishness...is your solar panel really worth it? I thought the conservatives were the ones that didn't want to stifle people's independence. It's all a racket. I am building solar panels now and I defy any one to tell me I owe them for sunshine 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 8, 2013 #24 Share Posted December 8, 2013 They should just do what the power companies did in Oz. Raise prices and openly say "it's because all the solar panels are cutting into our profits". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickian Posted December 8, 2013 #25 Share Posted December 8, 2013 How are they going to convince the sun to only shine on those who pay? Legal charges against anyone who doesn't pay a "solar fee" for the right to use solar panels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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