Hazzard Posted December 12, 2013 #26 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Did Zoser actually link to a story that has its origins in a Weekly World News article? That's so beyond hilarious, it's not funny. It's actually sad and an indicator of just how he swallows anything that claims to be a UFO story without even the most basic of fact checking He sure did! I mean - Good Lord,... just when you thought this fool couldnt possiby sink any lower!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted December 12, 2013 #27 Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) Jim's not a Ufologist Hazz. He's a rocket scientist. Would you send your car to be repaired by the window cleaner? Right, to be a rocket scientist requires a keenly analytical mind and extensive training in science. Ufology requires only a keen sense of outrage and a low budget website. Edited December 12, 2013 by sinewave 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted December 12, 2013 #28 Share Posted December 12, 2013 After this EPIC FAIL, I have a hard time seeing anyone taking this fool seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 12, 2013 #29 Share Posted December 12, 2013 After this EPIC FAIL, I have a hard time seeing anyone taking this fool seriously. But we know its water of a ducks back - to him.. he'll offer a reply while posting something totally unrelated - doing his swerve again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted December 12, 2013 #30 Share Posted December 12, 2013 But we know its water of a ducks back - to him.. he'll offer a reply while posting something totally unrelated - doing his swerve again That's his MO. He also likes to accuse others of swerving just for questioning his assertions. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacenut56 Posted December 12, 2013 #31 Share Posted December 12, 2013 He sure did! I mean - Good Lord,... just when you thought this fool couldnt possiby sink any lower!! I think its rather sad to resort to name calling. I respect a skeptics point of view, doesn't mean I necessarily agree with it though, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 12, 2013 #32 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I think its rather sad to resort to name calling. I respect a skeptics point of view, doesn't mean I necessarily agree with it though, But if you're a believer...FINE...there's room for everyone. But can all believers at least do a little bit of research about the stories they post? And will believers please familiarise themselves with known BAD SOURCES of information? That'd be a start. Then at least the sceptics will have to work a bit looking into the claims.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacenut56 Posted December 12, 2013 #33 Share Posted December 12, 2013 well but the said can be said of the other side as well though. May I ask what do you consider to be "bad sources of information" besides, you tube? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 12, 2013 #34 Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) well but the said can be said of the other side as well though. May I ask what do you consider to be "bad sources of information" besides, you tube? Heres a start! Keep away from: - Anything from World Weekly News Ditto, Russian Pravda All of Billy Meirs Claims Ditto Von Daniken Everything the AA series imply Sitchin Chris Dunn and the Pyramid power plant theories, well, any of his pyramid theories actually No doubt others will add more, but like I said, its a good place to start from, And doesn't really leave ufology with much after the above are ruled out typo Edited December 12, 2013 by seeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 12, 2013 #35 Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) For example, I just went to the world weekly news, know what their first story is? GOOGLE STREET VIEW REVEALS E.T. BERKELEY HEIGHTS, NJ – Google Street View users have discovered what appears to be an alien next to a mysterious beam of light! http://weeklyworldnews.com/ Now they publish as if its from 2013...BUT, the astute researcher who verifies links - finds...its from 2009 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/5042502/ET-tracked-down-on-Google-Street-View.html Edited December 12, 2013 by seeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted December 12, 2013 #36 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I think its rather sad to resort to name calling. I respect a skeptics point of view, doesn't mean I necessarily agree with it though, It is clear some people are frustrated with Zoser's inability to intelligently discuss the ETH. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowl Posted December 12, 2013 #37 Share Posted December 12, 2013 It is clear some people are frustrated with Zoser's inability to intelligently discuss the ETH. Or discuss it at all. He finds one or two phrases designed to avoid any discussion and repeats them like a robot. "That's not true" and "tell me what proof you need" are his favorites at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted December 12, 2013 #38 Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) Or discuss it at all. He finds one or two phrases designed to avoid any discussion and repeats them like a robot. "That's not true" and "tell me what proof you need" are his favorites at the moment. Indeed. I've seen a few people here eventually abandon the belief in favor of rational approaches. One regular poster here used to post lots of links and never discussed them in any real way. Now that person shows a high degree of critical thinking and challenges the ETH. Our old friend MID had the patience to pull that off. I'm sure we can follow his example. Edited December 12, 2013 by sinewave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted December 12, 2013 #39 Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) Indeed. I've seen a few people here eventually abandon the belief in favor of rational approaches. One regular poster here used to post lots of links and never discussed them in any real way. Now that person shows a high degree of critical thinking and challenges the ETH. Our old friend MID had the patience to pull that off. I'm sure we can follow his example. I have been saying that for months now,... Poor zoser is his own worst enemy. He is doing a better job getting people to become skeptical of UFOology than anyone here. Edited December 12, 2013 by Hazzard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 12, 2013 #40 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Heres a start! Keep away from: - Anything from World Weekly News Ditto, Russian Pravda All of Billy Meirs Claims Ditto Von Daniken Everything the AA series imply Sitchin Chris Dunn and the Pyramid power plant theories, well, any of his pyramid theories actually No doubt others will add more, but like I said, its a good place to start from, And doesn't really leave ufology with much after the above are ruled out typo You mean anyone who challenges the mainstream view of the world that has hypnotised thinking for hundreds of years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 12, 2013 #41 Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) Jim Oberg is an American space journalist and historian, regarded as an expert on the Russian space program,... I would say that makes him the go-to guy regarding the question/claim if the Russian cosmonauts aboard the Salyut 7 really did claim to see angels. If I wanted wild science fiction stories and fantasy in this matter, YOU would be the better choice. That must mean that you can easily debunk the case? Have a go. Edited December 12, 2013 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted December 12, 2013 #42 Share Posted December 12, 2013 That must mean that you can easily debunk the case? Have a go. The real feat would be proving it. Have a go! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 12, 2013 #43 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I have been saying that for months now,... Poor zoser is his own worst enemy. He is doing a better job getting people to become skeptical of UFOology than anyone here. Now what are you on about Mr H? I can always tell when you are out of ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 12, 2013 #44 Share Posted December 12, 2013 The real feat would be proving it. Have a go! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 12, 2013 #45 Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) The real feat would be proving it. Have a go! Done mate. Cosmonauts Leonid Kizim, Oleg Atkov, Vladimir Solovyov, Svetlana Savitskaya, Igor Volk and Vladimir Jannibekov. were doing their routine work, and laboratory experiments, when suddenly a cloud of orange mist enveloped the entire station. http://beforeitsnews...es-2442904.html Quite a few credible guys there Plus they have actually been in space. Jim can only talk about it. Edited December 12, 2013 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 12, 2013 #46 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Done mate. Cosmonauts Leonid Kizim, Oleg Atkov, Vladimir Solovyov, Svetlana Savitskaya, Igor Volk and Vladimir Jannibekov. were doing their routine work, and laboratory experiments, when suddenly a cloud of orange mist enveloped the entire station. http://beforeitsnews...es-2442904.html Quite a few credible guys there Plus they have actually been in space. Jim can only talk about it. :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 12, 2013 #47 Share Posted December 12, 2013 :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: Frustration is just lack of skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseCuster Posted December 12, 2013 #48 Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) Done mate. Cosmonauts Leonid Kizim, Oleg Atkov, Vladimir Solovyov, Svetlana Savitskaya, Igor Volk and Vladimir Jannibekov. were doing their routine work, and laboratory experiments, when suddenly a cloud of orange mist enveloped the entire station. http://beforeitsnews...es-2442904.html Quite a few credible guys there Plus they have actually been in space. Jim can only talk about it. beforeitsnews.com is not a reliable source of information. It's a website where anyone can sign up and post anything they want. It's a regular source of nonsense.ADG-UK have no credibility whatsoever. They have posted outright fakes many times on their website and YouTube and the 'angels' shown in the linked article by them are a known side effect of overly bright objects on unprocessed low-res images from the likes of the SOHO satellites. More importantly however, the story about the Russian cosmonauts seeing huge angels comes form a 1985 issue of The Weekly World News, a "newspaper" that nobody apart the truly deluded thinks is a genuine source of news. At least half the stories they print are clearly for comedic intent llke the ongoing Batboy series. I had a friend who used to collect them back in the 80s and 90s and would regularly give copies to me so I could read them for the lulz. Stories about heaven being photographed by the Hubble Telescope, the garden of eden being found in Arizona, etc. Hilarious nonsense. And you either fall for this kind of stuff or you lack the most basic fact-finding skills to try and verify this nonsense before embarrassing yourself by spewing it up on these forums as gospel truth. What next, are you going to quote articles from the Onion to back your case? Edited December 12, 2013 by JesseCuster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted December 13, 2013 #49 Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) Done mate. Cosmonauts Leonid Kizim, Oleg Atkov, Vladimir Solovyov, Svetlana Savitskaya, Igor Volk and Vladimir Jannibekov. were doing their routine work, and laboratory experiments, when suddenly a cloud of orange mist enveloped the entire station. http://beforeitsnews...es-2442904.html Quite a few credible guys there Plus they have actually been in space. Jim can only talk about it. There is no proof there Z. Fortunately for mankind, proof is more than talk. Edited December 13, 2013 by sinewave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseCuster Posted December 13, 2013 #50 Share Posted December 13, 2013 There's no proof there. Just talk. It's even worse than just talk, it's talk from a trio of sources known to be the origins of utter nonsense like I said above - beforeitsnews.com, ADG-UK and the Weekly World News. How zoser actually falls for this stuff and seriously posts it as fact is hard to fathom. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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