The Curse of Oak Island

[Kenemet]

15 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

I think they've found a treasure.  Maybe not gold but something far more valuable.  It's interesting that they are advertising a new(??) special on the Knights Templars following episode 12 which remains unnamed?  It's like there will be new interest in the Templars.  I think the crew has been sitting on a non-disclosure agreement because of what they found and it will change the history as we knew it.  We might see new sponsors with an army of archeologists.  Of course, it could just be a ploy for ratings.  I won't hold my breath.

That cross does look like the one in Domme but it also looks like an Ank.  I think there was a treasure there but it has long been moved.  I still like the idea that Capt Kidd took it and buried it under Trinity Church.  He helped to build the first church.  And John Jay Astor somehow ended up with some of it which was probably the source of his wealth.

The "cross" in Domme was actually a very crude image of Christ on the cross (it had legs and a face, for one thing.) 

Their "Information" on the Knights Templar draws very heavily from Dan Brown and other modern sources and is not entirely consistent with sources that existed at the time of the Knights Templar (who, by the way, were absorbed into the Knights Hospitaller if they weren't pardoned and pensioned off)  The Knights Hospitaller inherited any property of the Templars 

(see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar )

The speculation is getting more and more absurd (Shakespeare folios... really?) and changes with every piece of evidence they think they've found.

[travelnjones]

It has more chance of being a copy of the Fiend Folio than it does Shakespeares' folios.

They should just have a metal detecting with Gary show.  That seems to find stuff.  

[Kenemet]

2 hours ago, travelnjones said:

It has more chance of being a copy of the Fiend Folio than it does Shakespeares' folios.

They should just have a metal detecting with Gary show.  That seems to find stuff.  

Actually, I kind of like the "metal detecting with Gary" idea.  I'd watch that stuff, particularly if they do NOT have any voiceovers or strange speculations about Knights Templar, Francis Bacon, Lost Tribes, chupacabras or the like.  Just plain old detecting and identifying.

[kmt_sesh]

3 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Actually, I kind of like the "metal detecting with Gary" idea.  I'd watch that stuff, particularly if they do NOT have any voiceovers or strange speculations about Knights Templar, Francis Bacon, Lost Tribes, chupacabras or the like.  Just plain old detecting and identifying.

Agreed. That would be considerably more interesting than pretty much anything this silly show has put on.

[Jarocal]

3 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Actually, I kind of like the "metal detecting with Gary" idea.  I'd watch that stuff, particularly if they do NOT have any voiceovers or strange speculations about Knights Templar, Francis Bacon, Lost Tribes, chupacabras or the like.  Just plain old detecting and identifying.

So your saying ignore the evidence and support only what Orthodox Academia has already stated on the subject?

[DirtyDocMartens]

On 1/17/2014 at 6:57 AM, Myles said:

A couple brothers, Marty Lagina and Rick Lagina, from Michigan have purchased the island and are working with Dan and Dave Blankenship, permanent residents of the island.

You can buy an island that other people live on? That must be weird for the residents. 

[DirtyDocMartens]

I think tv shows are filmed weeks in advance. If they find anything, I wonder how long it will take for the news to break.

[Kenemet]

17 hours ago, Jarocal said:

So your saying ignore the evidence and support only what Orthodox Academia has already stated on the subject?

The evidence really isn't very convincing.  

[Kenemet]

10 hours ago, DirtyDocMartens said:

I think tv shows are filmed weeks in advance. If they find anything, I wonder how long it will take for the news to break.

If they found something, it would be all over the news - that would boost interest in the show when it aired.

[Sakari]

12 hours ago, Kenemet said:

If they found something, it would be all over the news - that would boost interest in the show when it aired.

No, there is a contract not allowing that. Now, if they did find something significant (they wont), as soon as they could end the contract, they would. It would become a documentary, and they would not need the $$$ anymore. The publicity alone would be enough.

[atalante]

A conventional historian discovered that in September 1746, a deep treasure pit (eerily similar to the infamous money pit) was dug by leaders of a French armada (duc d'Anville expedition), to keep French treasure secure in the north american continent.  See item 1 in the following review of season 5 episode 10.  https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/the-curse-of-oak-island-recap-the-one-that-could-be-a-total-game-changer/

This could be the origin of the infamous Money Pit, even if the French expedition never left valuables in their deep pit.

 

Edited January 21, 2018 by atalante

[HollyDolly]

Yes the cross  indeed looks interesting. It seems to me that it might have been worn  by someone who was either middle class or poor, rather than someone of the nobility who could afford a more expensive one. I want to watch the new special on the Templars  after Curse of Oak Island.I enjoy watching Curse because I've heard the story of the place, and its really interesting what they keep finding there. Most people  know of the Templars from what happend in France to them. But they were also in England, Spain, Portugal and even Germany which is something I didn't know. That's of interest to me from a history and family standpoint. My father's family has always served in the military  in Germany for centuries, so it is possible  someone might have joined the Templars, certainly someone may have  belonged to the Teutonic Knights. Some cousins of my grandmother, the von Lilienschilds, actually fought in the crusades and  belonged to the Livonian Knights of the Sword. They were a group headquartered in  Riga, Latvia.Later on they were absorbed into the Teutonic Knights I can't wait to see what the guys find next.

[Kenemet]

On 1/21/2018 at 10:26 AM, atalante said:

A conventional historian discovered that in September 1746, a deep treasure pit (eerily similar to the infamous money pit) was dug by leaders of a French armada (duc d'Anville expedition), to keep French treasure secure in the north american continent.  See item 1 in the following review of season 5 episode 10.  https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/the-curse-of-oak-island-recap-the-one-that-could-be-a-total-game-changer/

This could be the origin of the infamous Money Pit, even if the French expedition never left valuables in their deep pit.

There's a huge problem with this story, though -- you don't take treasure along on an expedition to conquer a land. 

They didn't pick up any treasure on the way - they didn't attack other ships or lands.  The fleet arrived in September and d'Anville died immediately after.

Therefore, they had no treasure to bury (even if they were healthy enough to do this.)

Therefore, the log is a suspect document.

[Piney]

On 1/22/2018 at 3:09 PM, HollyDolly said:

belonged to the Livonian Knights of the Sword. They were a group headquartered in  Riga, Latvia.Later on they were absorbed into the Teutonic Knights 

Participating in a genocide to steal someones land and resources is nothing to brag about. Whole cultures are extinct because of them. 

[atalante]

14 hours ago, Kenemet said:

There's a huge problem with this story, though -- you don't take treasure along on an expedition to conquer a land. 

They didn't pick up any treasure on the way - they didn't attack other ships or lands.  The fleet arrived in September and d'Anville died immediately after.

Therefore, they had no treasure to bury (even if they were healthy enough to do this.)

Therefore, the log is a suspect document.

Kenemet,

There was international intrigue about a lost treasure in 1746.  Spain and France had agreed to finance a rebellion by Scotland against Britain in 1746.   Monthly installments of money were being transferred from Spain, through France, to be delivered to Scotland.  However, the Scots rebellion collapsed while international money shipments were occurring.  A lot of money went missing and has never been found.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Arkaig_treasure#Treasure_arrives

 

 

A book was published in France in 1989, proposing that the missing 1746 money was being re-routed to fight against Britain, in North America, instead of in Scotland.  

See the entry for 1989 in the following timeline about Oak Island events: http://briworldhistory.blogspot.com/2011/05/timeline-of-imporntant-events-with-this.html 

 

[RavenHawk]

14 hours ago, Kenemet said:

There's a huge problem with this story, though -- you don't take treasure along on an expedition to conquer a land.

Yes, you do take treasure with you.  You have operating costs.  You may need supplies from French civilian stores, neutral parties, or new-found allies.  You may need to acquire mercenaries or make bribes.  This expedition in 1749 was to retake lost territory from the King George’s War which ended unsatisfactory for the French and they were going to make good.  It became a failed expedition and it took the French 5 more years before they were ready to try it again (i.e. French & Indian War).  Maybe they found the remains of d’Anville in H8?  The log could still be suspect but not because of what is written on it.  I’d like to know more about the history of this log fragment.

[Myles]

Well, I'm not surprised that they didn't find anything in their latest hole.  

[Sakari]

26 minutes ago, Myles said:

Well, I'm not surprised that they didn't find anything in their latest hole.  

I wonder how many empty holes they need before they call it quits.

[rashore]

14 minutes ago, Sakari said:

I wonder how many empty holes they need before they call it quits.

The whole islands worth... twice. 

[Myles]

1 hour ago, Sakari said:

I wonder how many empty holes they need before they call it quits.

Since they made a big point to state that the machinery was specially made for doing this on Oak Island, they should keep drilling.    I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped though.   They rarely follow through with anything sufficiently. 

[RavenHawk]

That was a disappointing episode.  I’m beginning to believe that there is no chamber.  I think they are hitting very large boulders (glacial moraine) and they shift around.  That’s what is causing some of those exploratory shafts to veer.  But despite that, there is something historical there, the evidence points to that.  Is it the situation that something was there but no longer?  It was moved elsewhere?  What is there is not going to have a monetary value so that they can recoup costs, but they are going to find artifacts that will change history.  I think that this next episode will go in that direction.  That’s why this new (??) Templar special will air the next day??  I wonder if this is going to be a turning point especially if the next shaft doesn’t provide positive results??

[Myles]

23 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

That was a disappointing episode.  I’m beginning to believe that there is no chamber.  I think they are hitting very large boulders (glacial moraine) and they shift around.  That’s what is causing some of those exploratory shafts to veer.  But despite that, there is something historical there, the evidence points to that.  Is it the situation that something was there but no longer?  It was moved elsewhere?  What is there is not going to have a monetary value so that they can recoup costs, but they are going to find artifacts that will change history.  I think that this next episode will go in that direction.  That’s why this new (??) Templar special will air the next day??  I wonder if this is going to be a turning point especially if the next shaft doesn’t provide positive results??

 

You are more optimistic than I am.  I still think this could be mostly coincidences.   I just find it very hard to believe that they traveled all the way across the planet, chose a random small island and still felt like they had to 200 feet down to hide a treasure.   Also dig another shaft and link it to the water to booby trap the hiding place.   That would have been a huge undertaking 250 years ago with what equipment they had on a ship.   

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

On 18/01/2018 at 10:21 PM, Kenemet said:

Actually, I kind of like the "metal detecting with Gary" idea.  I'd watch that stuff, particularly if they do NOT have any voiceovers or strange speculations about Knights Templar, Francis Bacon, Lost Tribes, chupacabras or the like.  Just plain old detecting and identifying.

At the end of the day, they have to keep the fringe crowd on tender hooks so they keep coming back for more.Take away all the click bait so to speak and they don't have much of a show.

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

8 hours ago, Sakari said:

I wonder how many empty holes they need before they call it quits.

Most likely depends on how much money they have to waste. Just hope if they were to find anything that it is pretty spectacular and not just a couple of bits of pottery.

 

[skliss]

20 hours ago, Myles said:

You are more optimistic than I am.  I still think this could be mostly coincidences.   I just find it very hard to believe that they traveled all the way across the planet, chose a random small island and still felt like they had to 200 feet down to hide a treasure.   Also dig another shaft and link it to the water to booby trap the hiding place.   That would have been a huge undertaking 250 years ago with what equipment they had on a ship.   

They actually believe it was closer to the surface but that wanton drilling from the past has caused the original moneypit or vault to shift and sink.