Will Russia come to the "aid" of Ukraine?

[stevewinn]

Haters gonna hate Russia .....

Of course, Russia it seems will always be the enemy even though they've been our Allies in two world wars. I just cannot believe the non-signing of the EU agreement by the former Ukrainian President as resulted in what we see today. its a understatement to say its snowballed.

[SolarPlexus]

Fact is the state of world today is a direct consequence of the breakup of USSR. America and its NATO allies are seeking to grab as much land and resources they can before Russia regains its strength or a new world power emerges. Yup... some people don't want the world to be bipolar again... Its funny when your country established a hegemony they you're OK with it, just other aren't.

[bmk1245]

Haters gonna hate Russia .....

Its not about "hate Russia", its about real concerns about "what next step will be". Don't be fooled by "We are defending Russians", cause Russia basically sold Russians in former soviet Central Asia countries with all guts and properties long time ago (funny thing, extremely oppressed Russians from Baltic states chose to emigrate to the so hated "evil west" instead of mother Russia).

BTW, did Kosovo became 51st state of USA? Or province in Germany/UK?

[SolarPlexus]

Youre afraid of the Russian "next step"? Sorry, who is sewing misery across the globe, NATO or Russia?

[Mr.United_Nations]

I say Russia because who wants to live where you cant protest against the government which is, against minorities and against human rights and against foreign workers. Russia is behind 50 years everyone else and also move on from Kosovo, you sound like a spoilt child that feels everything has gone against them

[acidhead]

CNN [Cartoon News Network] is running a headline: Early Results: 95.5% Vote to join Russia

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Youre afraid of the Russian "next step"? Sorry, who is sewing misery across the globe, NATO or Russia?

Who just invaded another country and forced the locals to vote about secession?

[acidhead]

a big joke (thanks CNN)

CNN's Christine Amanopour (sp?) is there reporting and she said voters were being held up by gun point to vote pro Russian.

How can any thinking person believe the propaganda by western media? There is an outdoor concert going on there... fireworks. ...... video on the ground it appears everybody looks happy.

Held up by gun point? Forced to vote for Russia? ---- thanks for the laugh CNN

Hahaha

Edited March 16, 2014 by acidhead

[bmk1245]

Youre afraid of the Russian "next step"? Sorry, who is sewing misery across the globe, NATO or Russia?

Sorry, change "NATO" to "Russia", and you would be speaking in Russian now (Serbs with a bit of national pride would be extinct nowadays). Again, look at Belarus today.

Edit: some grammar..

Edit II: quotation-marks added.

Edited March 16, 2014 by bmk1245

[MordorOrc]

Fact is the state of world today is a direct consequence of the breakup of USSR. America and its NATO allies are seeking to grab as much land and resources they can before Russia regains its strength or a new world power emerges.

You mean China? Most countries, including the US, are fairly happy doing business with China. Their economic growth and ever increasing demand for consumer products has been nothing but a gravy train for us. It was also a gravy train for Australia, who were seeing substantial growth on the boom of mineral exports. China's economic rise has been the best thing for us in years.

As for your ideas of a "bipolar world", sadly, this isn't the case. Russia will probably sit towards the bottom of the pile and have its place taken by China, India and possibly Brazil as "countries to listen to and take not of" in the future. And I for one, would be happy to see these countries take the place of Russia as they do not openly interfere in another country's internal affairs, nor blatantly invade and occupy another country's territory.

[MordorOrc]

CNN's Christine Amanopour (sp?) is there reporting and she said voters were being held up by gun point to vote pro Russian.

How can any thinking person believe the propaganda by western media? There is an outdoor concert going on there... fireworks. ...... video on the ground it appears everybody looks happy.

Held up by gun point? Forced to vote for Russia? ---- thanks for the laugh CNN

Hahaha

If you think CNN is bad, wait until you see the bile spurted out by Russian state media.

Oh wait, I forgot. You probably think Russian state media is more impartial than western media. More "fact based" instead of Soviet propaganda 2.0.

[acidhead]

If you think CNN is bad, wait until you see the bile spurted out by Russian state media.

Oh wait, I forgot. You probably think Russian state media is more impartial than western media. More "fact based" instead of Soviet propaganda 2.0.

Thanks for the vitrol but I don't trust any of the media whores. I search for video from the ground on all issues. I decide for myself.

[Just Dave]

Don't know which is worse US or Russia.. they are both bad in their ways.. but if you look at history US and allies did more damage than russians, and now when Russia is taking a hold in their neighborhood, everyone needs to drag EU,US, NATO, everyone in it... Leave it be... They want it they will take it and nato can make as many drills as they want... no one wants to wage war obviously.. Lets wait for results of referendum first.

As for China well they bought US already and they are on technological midnight express... becoming one of the strongest..

[+and-then]

I can't imagine the Russians shutting off their only source of money.

I hope I'm wrong but I really feel like this is mostly about Putin's ego and his realization that Obama is an empty suit. If this is the case then we are looking at brinksmanship that could end really badly.

[+and-then]

Of course, Russia it seems will always be the enemy even though they've been our Allies in two world wars. I just cannot believe the non-signing of the EU agreement by the former Ukrainian President as resulted in what we see today. its a understatement to say its snowballed.

I have always considered you to be a reasonable, thoughtful individual so I'm curious, Stevewinn, can you not understand the reticence on the part of the west to simply step aside and allow a Russian leader to repeat what happened in Georgia and thereby strengthen it's precedent? Russia, whatever it might be today has a history of some very bad acts in the not so recent past. Should all that just be forgotten? Putin wants to rebuild a leaner, meaner empire and he is on his way to achieving it. The problem is that we could end up in a war either way we handle it. The only question is whether it happens now or in a couple of years.

[+and-then]

Don't know which is worse US or Russia.. they are both bad in their ways.. but if you look at history US and allies did more damage than russians, and now when Russia is taking a hold in their neighborhood, everyone needs to drag EU,US, NATO, everyone in it... Leave it be... They want it they will take it and nato can make as many drills as they want... no one wants to wage war obviously.. Lets wait for results of referendum first.

As for China well they bought US already and they are on technological midnight express... becoming one of the strongest..

As I said earlier - I don't care what Crimeans choose - that's up to them. But Russia did something very similar in Georgia a few years ago did they not? So if this is allowed to happen without resistance do you think Putin will stop and not do it again where some poor put upon Russian speakers are being threatened? This really isn't as much about US designs as it is the rights of free people to choose to remain free from the Russian boot on their neck. I don't wish for blood but the Ukrainians have a right to resist and I hope they do so. A lot is made of their background of being neo Nazis and anti Semitic. The anti Semitism seems to be a fairly accurate description but who exactly in Europe isn't to some extent. Russia calling Ukraine out for antiSemitism is truly a case of pots and kettles.

[keithisco]

CNN [Cartoon News Network] is running a headline: Early Results: 95.5% Vote to join Russia

What we are not being told is how many Crimean registered voters actually took part in the vote, there is already massive evidence that Russian Citizens were allowed to vote, the tatars did not vote en - masse, those who wanted to vote pro - Ukraine were forcibly made to vote for Russian annexation.

95.5% of 56.8% of the population (ethnic Russians) does not equal a pro Russia vote. Of those Ethnic Russians a large percentage had already said they did not want unification with Russia - seldom do you see such an abrogation of duty as you have seen today by the Crimean politicos.

No... the whole referendum has been orchestrated by a corrupt administration in Crimea, and complicitousness from Russia.

Let the consequences now flow, let Putin see how the Western Nations brings Russia to its knees (economically), let him learn what a Pyrrhic Victory means, if he now attacks other areas of Ukraine then I think we have a "Boots on the Ground" deployment from those Nations that guaranteed security for Ukraine when they agreed to remove their Nuclear deterrent.

If I was living in the Crimea, or Russia now, then I would be very, very worried about my future quality of life....

[+and-then]

It unsettles me when I can see the kinds of strategies I imagine, being played out in real time.

http://rt.com/op-edge/gas-pipeline-ukraine-threat-218/

The Right Sector is talking about disrupting gas flow through the country to Europe. This thing is getting uglier by the hour it seems.

[acidhead]

Keith

Just curious....

Where is this massive evidence russian citizens were allowed to vote?

I was watching CNN a couple hours ago where Christine Amanpour said voters were being forced by gun point to vote Russian

....yet in their very own video the mood there painted an entirely different scenario. ... fireworks. ...an outdoor music concert.... dancing.... this was on CNN

I was looking at it and thinking.."what the hell is she talking about... LOOK!"

Edited March 17, 2014 by acidhead

[NiteMarcher]

Was it OK for us to take down Iraq on lies? Then we headed on in to Libya, and next we tried for Syria? Didn't the U.S. step in to annex the kingdom of Hawaii when they shouldn't have? We had no business there (Mid Est) from the very beginning. With all this "New World Order" BS mentioned by worldwide elite, bankers and corporate & military industrial complexes, whose main goal is for everyone to comply with ONE--but who is the ONE that's gonna be in control of this NWO? I believe this plan was in the making a long, long, time ago...with NATO, U.N., IMF, CFR, Bilderburg Group etc. -- the ultimate long term goal for the completion of this One Word Order, I feel, is the taking down of Russia and China!

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Edited March 17, 2014 by NiteMarcher

[+and-then]

Well Russia certainly came to the aid of Ukraine. Now they face a potential insurgency that can disrupt a third of Europe's gas. We could be looking at a war between east and west soon and it all gets back to a tug of war over control of Ukraine. The sad thing is that it did not have to happen - this is about Putin's short man syndrome and his lack of respect for Obama. What America did or did not do in the past has nothing to do with this issue. Unless of course one believes the CT's about the west staging a coup under the guise of a revolution.

[acidhead]

The CBC here in Canada (our gov media) just ran a number 82% of the population of Crimea eligible to vote indeed voted.

....

[acidhead]

Now the CBC is running another report saying our PM Harper doesn't recognize the vote.

Haha... this is getting hilarious.

Why?

Because if Quebec's seperatist party gets a majority in Provincial elections next month they are going to hold a referendum on the future sovereignty of Quebec.

lol

[Thanato]

The problem I have is that this was extremely fast and under Russian Occupation.

This is going to get worst before it gets apocalypse ha

Edited March 17, 2014 by Thanato

[+and-then]

The problem I have is that this was extremely fast and under Russian Occupation.

This is going to get worst before it gets apocalypse ha

I know many here think of me in unflattering terms but I tell you Thanato I really have a bad feeling about this. Maybe it's because I grew up with the old Soviet threat but I realize now how imperfect and venal our leaders are. It is amazingly like a damned high stakes poker game. And our president can't bluff for crap. This could easily spin out of control and be like a Cuban Missile Crisis. If it does then we in the US are screwed.