4,600-Y.O. Pyramid Uncovered in Egypt

[Harambasha]

http://www.livescience.com/43051-step-pyramid-uncovered-in-egypt.html

"The similarities from one pyramid to the other are really amazing, and there is definitely a common plan," said Gregory Marouard, a research associate at the University of Chicago's Oriental Institute who led the work at the Edfu pyramid.

[cladking]

Khufu may have felt politically secure in southern Egypt and saw no need to maintain or build pyramids there, Marouard said in the email. The "center of gravity of Egypt was then at Memphis for many centuries — this region draining resources and manpower from the provinces, all regions being put to use for the large construction sites of funerary complexes."

At Wadi al-Jarf, a port found on the shore of the Red Sea that dates to Khufu's time, papyri (written documents) dating to the end of Khufu's reign were recently discovered that supports the idea that the pharaoh tried to converge all the resources he could toward Giza and the ancient wonder being constructed there.

This is all speculative. There is nothing in Merrer's diary to confirm that the Great Pyramid

is a tomb or that Khufu was marshalling resources for use at Giza. This same rag reported

the other day that Lehner suggests pyramid builders lived on the Great Pyramid ramps. It's

gettiung harder and harder to find real "science" or common sense.

[+DieChecker]

This is all speculative. There is nothing in Merrer's diary to confirm that the Great Pyramid

is a tomb or that Khufu was marshalling resources for use at Giza. This same rag reported

the other day that Lehner suggests pyramid builders lived on the Great Pyramid ramps. It's

gettiung harder and harder to find real "science" or common sense.

So you're saying that the documents they found are frauds? Or, that no such documents were found? Or, just that the "Experts" are reading them wrong????

The internet is crawling with references to these papyri. There is even pictures...

http://amun-ra-egypt...ur-in-suez.html

Edited February 4, 2014 by DieChecker

[cladking]

So you're saying that the documents they found are frauds? Or, that no such documents were found? Or, just that the "Experts" are reading them wrong????

The internet is crawling with references to these papyri. There is even pictures...

http://amun-ra-egypt...ur-in-suez.html

There's not one word in the document that supports ramps, tombs, or

superstitious people who never changed. There's not one word that supports

the concept that Khufu was marshalling his resources. There's nothing to sup-

port any of the contentions. The only things it supports is that stones were

brought by boat but this is easily deducible since the stones are on one side

of the river and the pyramids are on the other. This "new" information is uteer-

ly meaningless. It also supports the idea that Khufu is a king associated with

a great pyramid (presumably G1), but this too is already very firmly established

so is not of much importance.

This provincial pyramid is of interest but it hardly defines a new pattern nor es-

tablishes anything. It is a forgotten pyramid that didn't stand the ravages of

time and sheds no new light on the Egyptians, what they believed, or how they

accomplished what they did.

People are simply trying to make every new fact fit a paradigm made of teflon.

This story means only what it actually says and only to the degree that it's right.

[+DieChecker]

There's not one word in the document that supports ramps, tombs, or

superstitious people who never changed. There's not one word that supports

the concept that Khufu was marshalling his resources. There's nothing to sup-

port any of the contentions. The only things it supports is that stones were

brought by boat but this is easily deducible since the stones are on one side

of the river and the pyramids are on the other. This "new" information is uteer-

ly meaningless. It also supports the idea that Khufu is a king associated with

a great pyramid (presumably G1), but this too is already very firmly established

so is not of much importance.

This provincial pyramid is of interest but it hardly defines a new pattern nor es-

tablishes anything. It is a forgotten pyramid that didn't stand the ravages of

time and sheds no new light on the Egyptians, what they believed, or how they

accomplished what they did.

People are simply trying to make every new fact fit a paradigm made of teflon.

This story means only what it actually says and only to the degree that it's right.

Doesn't it imply a lot of people were moving stones, and not just a handful as you often suggest?

[cladking]

Doesn't it imply a lot of people were moving stones, and not just a handful as you often suggest?

No! Absolutely not.

A specific number of people are required to haul Turah limestone from the quarry whether

they used ramps or not. A set number are required necessary whether their descendents

were superstitious or not. Nothing changes just because we know a few details of one of

the stones movers' life. We already knew there mustta been stone movers and there must

have been details to their lives.

[+DieChecker]

No! Absolutely not.

A specific number of people are required to haul Turah limestone from the quarry whether

they used ramps or not. A set number are required necessary whether their descendents

were superstitious or not. Nothing changes just because we know a few details of one of

the stones movers' life. We already knew there mustta been stone movers and there must

have been details to their lives.

I thought just the titles alone on the Giza workers tombs told you that there was no ramp?

I'd think a great deal can be deduced from even a partial account. The number of people needed to drag the stones could be deduced and if much more then that was in evidence, then maybe they were dragging them further then just the pyramid base.

[cladking]

I'd think a great deal can be deduced from even a partial account. The number of people needed to drag the stones could be deduced and if much more then that was in evidence, then maybe they were dragging them further then just the pyramid base.

When you start with the assumption they dragged stones all roads lead to ramps.

You can't deduce how far they dragged stones by how many people they had unless you know they dragged stones.

If you put the cart before the horse you go nowhere.

Everything does not confirm your beliefs. It just seems that way because of the nature of "belief".

Leon Russell -Magic Mirror

I'm standing by the highway

Suitcase by my side

There's no place I want to go

I just thought I'd catch a ride

Many people look my way

And many pass me by

In moments of reflection

I wonder why

To the thieves I am a bandit

The mothers think I'm a son

To the preachers I'm a sinner

Lord I'm not the only one

To the sad ones I'm unhappy

To the losers I'm a fool

To the students I'm a teacher

With the teachers I'm in school

To the hobos I'm imprisoned by everything I own

To the soldier I'm just someone else who's dying to go home

The general sees a number, a politician's tool

To my friends I'm just an equal in this whirlpool

Magic mirror won't you tell me please

Do I find myself in anyone I see?

Magic mirror if we only could

Try to see ourselves as others would

To policeman I'm suspicious it's in the way I look

I'm just another character to fingerprint and book

To the censors I'm pornography with no redeeming grace

To hooker I'm a customer without a face

The sellers think I'm merchandise, they'll help me for a song

The left ones think I'm right,

The right ones think I'm wrong

And many people look my way

And many pass me by

And in my quiet reflection I wonder why

Magic mirror won't you tell me please

Do I see myself in anyone I meet?

Magic mirror if we only could

Try to see ourselves as others would

We see our beliefs regardless of what's in front of our eyes. Leon Russell looks like some kind of kook so I'd just keep driving.

[Rhino666]

How can you lose a pyramid? Its not like it fell down the back of the couch.

[scorpiosonic]

Interesting read, I like how they say, "uncovered" and not "discovered" as it was never lost, just covered.

[kmt_sesh]

http://www.livescien...d-in-egypt.html

"The similarities from one pyramid to the other are really amazing, and there is definitely a common plan," said Gregory Marouard, a research associate at the University of Chicago's Oriental Institute who led the work at the Edfu pyramid.

Hey, Harambasha, welcome to UM. I see you've started several threads with links to articles, but how about providing some content of your own? What are your thoughts? It's important for the sake of the thread that you also weigh in, considering you started it.

Thanks much.

[+DieChecker]

When you start with the assumption they dragged stones all roads lead to ramps.

You can't deduce how far they dragged stones by how many people they had unless you know they dragged stones.

If you put the cart before the horse you go nowhere.

It would seem to me that logically, if you want the delivery rate to be steady, and you have to drag the stones twice as far... say up a sprial ramp.... then you'd need twice as many people as would be needed just to drag them to the base.

Is that true or not?

Edited February 5, 2014 by DieChecker

[cladking]

It would seem to me that logically, if you want the delivery rate to be steady, and you have to drag the stones twice as far... say up a sprial ramp.... then you'd need twice as many people as would be needed just to drag them to the base.

Is that true or not?

No.

More importantly it's not at all relevant unless you're trying to make some point that I can't see.

A ramp that's twice as tall requires much more than twice the work. As the ramp gets higher

it requires more material and there are more corners to drag stones around (on a pyramidal

structure). There's no reason to even maintain a steady rate of delivery. It could taper off to

next to nothing and still finish on scedule.

Ramps are debunked anyway based on the evidence.

Unless you can bring this back to topic I must refrain from posting further.

[+DieChecker]

No.

More importantly it's not at all relevant unless you're trying to make some point that I can't see.

A ramp that's twice as tall requires much more than twice the work. As the ramp gets higher

it requires more material and there are more corners to drag stones around (on a pyramidal

structure). There's no reason to even maintain a steady rate of delivery. It could taper off to

next to nothing and still finish on scedule.

Ramps are debunked anyway based on the evidence.

Unless you can bring this back to topic I must refrain from posting further.

That is total rubbish.... Tail off to nothing and still finish? What are going on about.

The rate of delivery is the cornerstone of every single delivery method theory. To disregard that fact is to just start walking into fantasy land.

Off topic? The topic is specifically about the discovery of this pyramid and references the notes from the Egyptian dock master. Which goes directly to more labor being collected. Which goes directly to what the labor was used for at Giza.

The fact is that we all know that the amount of stone that needed to be taken to the base would require a certain amount of people, and if the number of laborers was twice that it would indicate additional work, such as dragging either twice as much stone (Not the case) or twice as far, would have to be happening.

How is "Leon Russell -Magic Mirror" on topic?

Edited February 5, 2014 by DieChecker

[kmt_sesh]

Moderator's note:

People, give it a rest. Cladking, do not hijack the thread. You have your own thread to expound on your ideas, so keep it in there.

kmt_sesh

[kmt_sesh]

Moderator's note:

Thread cleaned.

I've removed several posts subsequent to my previous warning. I'm going to give you folks the benefit of the doubt that you just missed my previous warning.

Stay on topic to the OP. So far the posts have been anything but relevant to it. One more infringement and I will close the thread.

kmt_sesh

[MissJatti]

been to egypt on holiday back in 2006, been told by tour guides that there is 80% of ancient egypt still buried in the sand. KV6 and cario sun temple was found whist i was on holiday there..

[Eldorado]

A lot of hard graft went into those. Am wondering if it was a labour of love.

And also wondering how they'd feel to know that their work is still standing. Sorry folks, merely dreaming aloud.

Edited February 6, 2014 by Eldorado

[coolguy]

Awseome they found it,

[+DieChecker]

I found it interesting that the site just now had a fence put around it to keep out looters. They've known it was there, like, forever and only now protect it from looters?

[Eldorado]

I found it interesting that the site just now had a fence put around it to keep out looters. They've known it was there, like, forever and only now protect it from looters?

From the article: "It didn't look like a pyramid he said, and people in a nearby village even thought the structure was the tomb of a sheikh, a local Muslim saint."

Until they read UM. (lol) Publicity brings good people and bad people.

Edited February 8, 2014 by Eldorado