Ufo engineering

[qxcontinuum]

the secret ingredient in space travel are black holes. I bet the ufo engine is nothing but a complex particle accelerator capable of producing mini black holes that ca generate huge anti gravitational waves bending the space and time as traveling means between galaxies. Bending the fabric of space from point a to b is the safest travel method since does not even involve moving at higher speeds therefore potential risks of knocking meteorites or space ice particles which can damage even the most resistant ship.Those are not flying objects as our planes. They are stationary observation stations appearing to move to certain speeds due to their capacity of gradually controlling the deformation of space. That will explain why the older non anti magnetic devices like mechanical watches or electronics would stop functioning in their vicinity, or the absence of noises.

More about black holes and their potential;

http://www.hawking.org.uk/into-a-black-hole.html

[psyche101]

Did you read this part?

People have searched for mini black holes of this mass, but have so far, not found any. This is a pity, because if they had, I would have got a Nobel prize.

[qxcontinuum]

Did you read this part?

People have searched for mini black holes of this mass, but have so far, not found any. This is a pity, because if they had, I would have got a Nobel prize.

I am sure they will find them one day. It is just beyond our boundaries right now. Not for an advanced civilization though.

[Rlyeh]

the secret ingredient in space travel are black holes. I bet the ufo engine is nothing but a complex particle accelerator capable of producing mini black holes that ca generate huge anti gravitational waves bending the space and time as traveling means between galaxies. Bending the fabric of space from point a to b is the safest travel method since does not even involve moving at higher speeds therefore potential risks of knocking meteorites or space ice particles which can damage even the most resistant ship.Those are not flying objects as our planes. They are stationary observation stations appearing to move to certain speeds due to their capacity of gradually controlling the deformation of space. That will explain why the older non anti magnetic devices like mechanical watches or electronics would stop functioning in their vicinity, or the absence of noises.

Sorry but what makes you think micro black holes would produce huge "anti" gravitational waves?

[qxcontinuum]

Sorry but what makes you think micro black holes would produce huge "anti" gravitational waves?

this is one of their proprieties amongst bending space and time continuum.

http://cds.cern.ch/record/1005569/files/0612088.pdf

Edited February 4, 2014 by qxcontinuum

[Rlyeh]

this is one of their proprieties amongst bending space and time continuum.

http://cds.cern.ch/r...les/0612088.pdf

According to the paper a black hole could generate anti-gravity *if* anti-gravity exists. Black holes or micro black holes do not automatically mean anti-gravity exists.

"We speculate about impact of antigravity (i.e. gravitational repulsion between

matter and antimatter) on the creation and emission of particles by a black

hole. If antigravity is present a black hole made of matter may radiate

particles as a black body, but this shouldn’t be true for antiparticles."

Edited February 4, 2014 by Rlyeh

[scowl]

I am sure they will find them one day. It is just beyond our boundaries right now. Not for an advanced civilization though.

Please let us know when someone finds one.

[markprice]

What we experience as gravity is really an ether gradient flow into the planet equally from all sides simultaneously. Because of the demands on ether by the molten core the planet acts like a funnel; this is what gravity is. What looks like gravity might really be competition for ether. Warren York put it another way: "If you move aether through mass you get gravity. If you move mass through aether you get inertia." These end up as essentially the same thing. A moving plane absorbs more ether. Einstein spent a lifetime trying to understand what gravity is; Bujic's ether theory explains precisely what this same structure is. Gravity is actually the never ending absorption of ether by elementary particles to maintain their spin. Absorption rate increase= G-force.

According to this you would be talking about anti-ether propulsion. If time can be altered it would alter the rate of spin reducing G-force for traveling convenience...hell, I better think about this now.

[S2F]

What we experience as gravity is really an ether gradient flow into the planet equally from all sides simultaneously. Because of the demands on ether by the molten core the planet acts like a funnel; this is what gravity is. What looks like gravity might really be competition for ether. Warren York put it another way: "If you move aether through mass you get gravity. If you move mass through aether you get inertia." These end up as essentially the same thing. A moving plane absorbs more ether. Einstein spent a lifetime trying to understand what gravity is; Bujic's ether theory explains precisely what this same structure is. Gravity is actually the never ending absorption of ether by elementary particles to maintain their spin. Absorption rate increase= G-force.

According to this you would be talking about anti-ether propulsion. If time can be altered it would alter the rate of spin reducing G-force for traveling convenience...hell, I better think about this now.

So you would reference an outdated and largely abandoned theory to support your argument?

[scowl]

So you would reference an outdated and largely abandoned theory to support your argument?

Ether = crackpot science.

[JesseCuster]

What we experience as gravity is really an ether gradient flow into the planet equally from all sides simultaneously. Because of the demands on ether by the molten core the planet acts like a funnel; this is what gravity is. What looks like gravity might really be competition for ether. Warren York put it another way: "If you move aether through mass you get gravity. If you move mass through aether you get inertia." These end up as essentially the same thing. A moving plane absorbs more ether. Einstein spent a lifetime trying to understand what gravity is; Bujic's ether theory explains precisely what this same structure is. Gravity is actually the never ending absorption of ether by elementary particles to maintain their spin. Absorption rate increase= G-force.

Yes. And disease is caused by imbalance of the bodily humours.

Toot toot! All aboard the woo-woo train!

[DONTEATUS]

I know Whom`s building the UFO`s ! THey Fly on these everyday !

"Just Another Non-Existant Terminal "

[Dumpnuts]

The anti-gravity mystery has been solved!

https://www.fatbrain...avity_boots.cfm

Edited February 4, 2014 by DumpsterJesus

[psyche101]

I am sure they will find them one day. It is just beyond our boundaries right now. Not for an advanced civilization though.

You are sure are you? Are you sure God won't pop down and just make one for you? Same thing really isn't it? Wishful thinking to make something seem real.

With particle accelerators capable of creating these, why is this beyond our boundaries?

LINK - Mini Black Holes Easier To Make Than Thought

Due to Hawking radiation, they fizzle out before they get big and swallow the earth, but we have not actually made one yet.

LINK - Particle accelerators as black hole factories?

From the above link:

When the two particles moving in that plane have almost reached each other, a black hole forms, its horizon represented by the black sphere:

LINK - Man-Made (But Very Tiny) Black Holes Possible

[qxcontinuum]

well you are contradicting yourself saying that Geneva's particle accelerator is capable of creating black holes. The experience is proving otherwise. They've never been able to do so. They are still missing the secret ingredient, our science is still far to make it happening and God forbidden to create one that can't be tempered or not tempering itself...yea yeah,,, the only few milliseconds life spawn Black Hole story ... Geneva's playing with fire , I am surprised entire world is trusting these pioneers!

Edited February 5, 2014 by qxcontinuum

[psyche101]

What we experience as gravity is really an ether gradient flow into the planet equally from all sides simultaneously. Because of the demands on ether by the molten core the planet acts like a funnel; this is what gravity is. What looks like gravity might really be competition for ether. Warren York put it another way: "If you move aether through mass you get gravity. If you move mass through aether you get inertia." These end up as essentially the same thing. A moving plane absorbs more ether. Einstein spent a lifetime trying to understand what gravity is; Bujic's ether theory explains precisely what this same structure is. Gravity is actually the never ending absorption of ether by elementary particles to maintain their spin. Absorption rate increase= G-force.

According to this you would be talking about anti-ether propulsion. If time can be altered it would alter the rate of spin reducing G-force for traveling convenience...hell, I better think about this now.

Link THE HISTORY OF THE AETHER THEORY

[psyche101]

well you are contradicting yourself saying that Geneva's particle accelerator is capable of creating black holes. The experience is proving otherwise. They've never been able to do so. They are still missing the secret ingredient, our science is still far to make it happening and God forbidden to create one that can't be tempered or not tempering itself...yea yeah,,, the only few milliseconds life spawn Black Hole story ... Geneva's playing with fire , I am surprised entire world is trusting these pioneers!

Really?

You should have read the links. Do you read links of they are not woo, or do you ignore them like the resident recalcitrant? Black Holes are impossible according to General relativity, particles however could create microscopic ones that decay too quickly to record.

Just the last link answers these for you, here look:

“Our overall conclusion is therefore that the tidal charged black holes are a viable model of micro-black holes which might be produced at the LHC. The model predicts that such black holes cannot grow to catastrophic size, but might live long enough to escape the detectors and result in significant amounts of missing energy.” –Casadio et al., 2009

What you are speaking about is this:

According to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity, it is impossible for microscopic black holes to be produced at the LHC. There are, however, some speculative theories that predict the production of such particles at the LHC. All these theories predict that these particles would disintegrate immediately. Black holes, therefore, would have no time to start accreting matter and to cause macroscopic effects.

Although theory predicts that microscopic black holes decay rapidly, even hypothetical stable black holes can be shown to be harmless by studying the consequences of their production by cosmic rays. Whilst collisions at the LHC differ from cosmic-ray collisions with astronomical bodies like the Earth in that new particles produced in LHC collisions tend to move more slowly than those produced by cosmic rays, one can still demonstrate their safety. The specific reasons for this depend whether the black holes are electrically charged, or neutral. Many stable black holes would be expected to be electrically charged, since they are created by charged particles. In this case they would interact with ordinary matter and be stopped while traversing the Earth or Sun, whether produced by cosmic rays or the LHC. The fact that the Earth and Sun are still here rules out the possibility that cosmic rays or the LHC could produce dangerous charged microscopic black holes. If stable microscopic black holes had no electric charge, their interactions with the Earth would be very weak. Those produced by cosmic rays would pass harmlessly through the Earth into space, whereas those produced by the LHC could remain on Earth. However, there are much larger and denser astronomical bodies than the Earth in the Universe. Black holes produced in cosmic-ray collisions with bodies such as neutron stars and white dwarf stars would be brought to rest. The continued existence of such dense bodies, as well as the Earth, rules out the possibility of the LHC producing any dangerous black holes.

LINK

No, Geneva is not playing with fire Nature has been doing what they have since before we got here. People who can read trust them.

[qxcontinuum]

Actually there was a guy back in 1999 posting on numerous scientific forums claiming to be a time traveller. The device capable of warping him through time was allegedly made by General Electric in the future exploiting the principle of black holes. Hi was publicizing pictures including the drawings of the GE time machine. Astonishing some of his claims and predictions about future have turned into reality while some were not. The most solid claim was that he came to retrieve a computer made by IBM in 70's capable of debunking some glitches in the future unix based OS. Later on a few scientists admitted that the info regarding this feature implemented in IBM machines was not even known to ibm engineers. He has also made some claims about advanced quantum physics not known at that time.

He is a legend and the only allegedly time traveller known so far. His name was John Titor

Titor described the time machine on several occasions. In an early post, he described it as a "stationary mass, temporal displacement unit powered by two top-spin, dual positive singularities", producing a "standard off-set Tipler sinusoid". The earliest post was more explicit, saying it contained the following:

Two magnetic housing units for the dual micro singularities

An electron injection manifold to alter mass and gravity of the micro singularities

A cooling and X-ray venting system

Gravity sensors, or a variable gravity lock

Four main cesium clocks

Three main computer units

According to the posts, the device was installed in the rear of a 1967 Chevrolet Corvette convertible and later moved to a 1987 truck having four-wheel drive.

Titor also shared several scans of the manual of a "C204 Time Displacement Unit" with diagrams and schematics. He also shared some photographs of the device installed in the car.[6]

Titor further claimed that the "Everett–Wheeler model of quantum physics" was correct. This model, better known as the many-worlds interpretation, posits that every possible outcome of a quantum decision actually occurs in a separate "universe". Titor stated that this was the reason the grandfather paradox would not occur; following the logic of the argument, Titor would be killing a different John Titor's grandfather in a timeline other than his own.

...The grandfather paradox is impossible. In fact, all paradox is impossible. The Everett–Wheeler–Graham or multiple world theory is correct. All possible quantum states, events, possibilities, and outcomes are real, eventual, and occurring. The chances of everything happening someplace at sometime in the superverse is 100%.[7]

Edited February 5, 2014 by qxcontinuum

[Rlyeh]

Well this is getting lame.

"Mike Lynch, a private detective hired for an Italian documentary on Titor, suggests that Haber's brother, John Rick Haber, is Titor. John Rick Haber is a computer scientist who would have known about the IBM 5100 and Unix 2038 problem, with a post office box application later linking John Rick Haber with the John Titor Foundation. Lynch believes John Rick Haber to have the computer knowledge and wit to perpetrate the Titor hoax."

http://io9.com/5869362/the-man-who-told-the-internet-hed-come-from-the-future

[psyche101]

Actually there was a guy back in 1999 posting on numerous scientific forums claiming to be a time traveller. The device capable of warping him through time was allegedly made by General Electric in the future exploiting the principle of black holes. Hi was publicizing pictures including the drawings of the GE time machine. Astonishing some of his claims and predictions about future have turned into reality while some were not. The most solid claim was that he came to retrieve a computer made by IBM in 70's capable of debunking some glitches in the future unix based OS. Later on a few scientists admitted that the info regarding this feature implemented in IBM machines was not even known to ibm engineers. He has also made some claims about advanced quantum physics not known at that time.

He is a legend and the only allegedly time traveller known so far. His name was John Titor

Titor described the time machine on several occasions. In an early post, he described it as a "stationary mass, temporal displacement unit powered by two top-spin, dual positive singularities", producing a "standard off-set Tipler sinusoid". The earliest post was more explicit, saying it contained the following:

Two magnetic housing units for the dual micro singularities

An electron injection manifold to alter mass and gravity of the micro singularities

A cooling and X-ray venting system

Gravity sensors, or a variable gravity lock

Four main cesium clocks

Three main computer units

According to the posts, the device was installed in the rear of a 1967 Chevrolet Corvette convertible and later moved to a 1987 truck having four-wheel drive.

Titor also shared several scans of the manual of a "C204 Time Displacement Unit" with diagrams and schematics. He also shared some photographs of the device installed in the car.[6]

Titor further claimed that the "Everett–Wheeler model of quantum physics" was correct. This model, better known as the many-worlds interpretation, posits that every possible outcome of a quantum decision actually occurs in a separate "universe". Titor stated that this was the reason the grandfather paradox would not occur; following the logic of the argument, Titor would be killing a different John Titor's grandfather in a timeline other than his own.

...The grandfather paradox is impossible. In fact, all paradox is impossible. The Everett–Wheeler–Graham or multiple world theory is correct. All possible quantum states, events, possibilities, and outcomes are real, eventual, and occurring. The chances of everything happening someplace at sometime in the superverse is 100%.[7]

Rlyeh has that one covered.

As for time travel.... you need a wormhole, not a black hole as far as I know, the hypothesis is really quite straightforward but only allows one to go back to when a time machine was built.

You create a wormhole, take one end, put it on a spaceship and send it travelling at 99% the speed of light in space for a fre hundred years, and, then thanks to time dilation one end of the wormhole is separated from the other by time. You travel back and forth through time as you enter and exit that wormhole.

And we know time dilation works. At least one man has been positively verified by atomic clocks to have traveled about one fifth of a second forward in time due to his many months in space. One fifth of a second might not sound like much, but it is time travel, and verified.

He did not predict aspects of Quantum Mechanics. He said that the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, whereby events from his own timeline may differ from our own, made his "descriptions" not all that different from our own. Same with all his predictions, if it didn't happen, he can just say "Well it did in another dimension".

Titor is not the only alleged time traveller. LINK

[scowl]

Well this is getting lame.

"Mike Lynch, a private detective hired for an Italian documentary on Titor, suggests that Haber's brother, John Rick Haber, is Titor. John Rick Haber is a computer scientist who would have known about the IBM 5100 and Unix 2038 problem, with a post office box application later linking John Rick Haber with the John Titor Foundation. Lynch believes John Rick Haber to have the computer knowledge and wit to perpetrate the Titor hoax."

http://io9.com/58693...from-the-future

I can't believe I wasted time arguing with people back then about whether or not Titor was a genuine time traveler. There were people who were claiming that they were preparing for the outbreak of civil war that was to come in 2004 and thanked Mr. Titor for warning us of it. I wonder if they're still hiding in their bunkers.

[markprice]

So you would reference an outdated and largely abandoned theory to support your argument?

Ether = crackpot science.

Yes. And disease is caused by imbalance of the bodily humours.

Toot toot! All aboard the woo-woo train!

You guys are so gullible. Ether is the future of science. Ether is the reason Einstein failed etc...that and the oil industry shut it down for obvious reasons.

[JesseCuster]

Einstein was a failure?

What's your evidence that the ether theory was abandoned because of pressure from the oil industry? It was Einstein's theory of special relativity to put the ether theory to rest. Are you saying that Einstein was paid off or pressured by the oil industry and others were similarly pressured to accept and teach it as true? That physics professors in 2014 are teaching special relativity to students and explaining how it finally disproved the ether theory is because the universities are under the thumb of the oil industry?

You said in your post that airplanes moving through the ether at speed absorb more of it and that absorbing more ether causes gravity and G-forces. Unfortunately that is completely at odds with the facts. Acceleration causes g-forces in moving bodies, not velocity. Why would a decelerating cause opposite g-forces to acceleration in a body that is moving forward at the same velocity? A plane braking on the runway at 100mph causes you to feel a force forward in your seat, but a plane taking off at 100mph travelling in the same direction and accelerating causes you to feel a force backward in your seat. Whereas cruising at multiple times that speed in the same direction causes you to feel no g-forces at all (apart from the obvious g-force downward caused by the gravity of the earth). If your oddball theory was right, none of this could possibly be true. Cruising at 500mph should cause increased g-force, and decelerating or accelerating should cause a fraction of the g-force in the same direction (not opposite directions) but at a fraction of the g-force of the 500mph cruising speed.

I don't think you've thought any of this through at all.

Edited February 6, 2014 by JesseCuster

[psyche101]

You guys are so gullible. Ether is the future of science. Ether is the reason Einstein failed etc...that and the oil industry shut it down for obvious reasons.

The Oil Industry now? Why does this smell like Alex Jones?

[markprice]

Einstein was a failure?

In terms of gravity he failed.

What's your evidence that the ether theory was abandoned because of pressure from the oil industry?

Tesla was ready to demonstrate infinite free energy source before JP Morgan shut him down and basically ruined the rest of his life.

It was Einstein's theory of special relativity to put the ether theory to rest.

Then why the resurgence? The Nobel Prize commite refused to honor his theory of relativity because it was highly speculative and light bending around stars was not a true test of that theory, and there were other ways to explain it. Light bent because of the sun's tremendous force field, not because space is curved. Ether is warped by large bodies...

Are you saying that Einstein was paid off or pressured by the oil industry and others were similarly pressured to accept and teach it as true? That physics professors in 2014 are teaching special relativity to students and explaining how it finally disproved the ether theory is because the universities are under the thumb of the oil industry?

Einstein wouldn't need to be payed off because his math was in agreement. He just couldn't unify the field without the mechanics of Ether.

You said in your post that airplanes moving through the ether at speed absorb more of it and that absorbing more ether causes gravity and G-forces. Unfortunately that is completely at odds with the facts.

Acceleration causes g-forces in moving bodies, not velocity. Why would a decelerating cause opposite g-forces to acceleration in a body that is moving forward at the same velocity?

Good question. Bujic: "Gravity is when ether accelerates. Inertia is when matter accelerates" does that answer it? G-force is a form of inertia; decelerating breaks the inertia...

A plane braking on the runway at 100mph causes you to feel a force forward in your seat, but a plane taking off at 100mph travelling in the same direction and accelerating causes you to feel a force backward in your seat.

I've noticed that too.

Whereas cruising at multiple times that speed in the same direction causes you to feel no g-forces at all (apart from the obvious g-force downward caused by the gravity of the earth).

So why isn't G-force constant into cruising speed? another good question. Because of lack of acceleration.

If your oddball theory was right, none of this could possibly be true. Cruising at 500mph should cause increased g-force, and decelerating or accelerating should cause a fraction of the g-force in the same direction (not opposite directions) but at a fraction of the g-force of the 500mph cruising speed.

I don't think you've thought any of this through at all.

Of course it's not my theory and I don't have all the information; I just barely scratched the surface. The question seems to be why does breaking cause you to feel the force forward against your seat belt. Because deceleration releases the pressure against you.

In the end Einstein had to admit that space is endowed with physical qualities, that was played down because they thought he was past his prime. Kind of sad IMO.