029b10 Posted February 12, 2014 #1 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. Neil de grasse Tyson "Faith is neither good nor evil; it is the principle of believing that all things might be true and that each individual shalt inquire, make search, and ask diligently and behold, if examined and proven to found to be true, then shall one be wise in holding it as the Truth." Unknoewi Amarrah --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I want to put on the table, not why 85% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences reject God, I want to know why 15% of the National Academy don't Neil de grasse Tyson "It should be impossible for one once illuminated by the error of a belief to subscribe to the fatal error intrinsic to any doctrine of absoluteness." Unknoewi Amarrah --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance.Neil de grasse Tyson "The adversary of truth stands on hearsay as irrefutable evidence of proof." Unknoewi Amarrah --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “Down there between our legs, it's like an entertainment complex in the middle of a sewage system. Who designed that?” Neil de grasse Tyson "The ultimate depravity of the thinking mind is knowledge of wisdom without understanding." Unknoewi Amarrah Edited February 12, 2014 by 029b10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almagest Posted February 12, 2014 #2 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Never heard of Unkoewi Amarrah, but I still prefer NdGT's quotes. For one his make sense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted February 12, 2014 #3 Share Posted February 12, 2014 What/who is Unknoewi Amarrah? When I tried googling it, this thread is the only thing that came up. Does it mean unknown author in another language or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xynoplas Posted February 12, 2014 #4 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Probably some "channeled wisdom". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Id3al Experience Posted February 12, 2014 #5 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Unknoewi Amarrah = made up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
029b10 Posted February 12, 2014 Author #6 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Guess you haven't heard of the discovery of ancient books from the belly of the Sphinx made some years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Id3al Experience Posted February 12, 2014 #7 Share Posted February 12, 2014 No because they havent yet seen what is under the sphinx. Unless im outdated on the information. Please link your evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
029b10 Posted February 12, 2014 Author #8 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xynoplas Posted February 12, 2014 #9 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Well then you have evidence. Cough it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Id3al Experience Posted February 12, 2014 #10 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) Yes, So please follow that philosophy and provide evidence. Edited February 12, 2014 by The Id3al Experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted February 13, 2014 #11 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I will third that.. Please post up links for us about books from the Sphinx's belly being discovered, and what those books are, and what that has to do with what/who Unknowi Ammarrah please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
029b10 Posted February 13, 2014 Author #12 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Yes, So please follow that philosophy and provide evidence. Geez, talk about intellectual corruption, you start off disbelieving then expect proof of what you don't believe. it is the principle of believing that all things might be true and that each individual shalt inquire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almagest Posted February 13, 2014 #13 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Geez, talk about intellectual corruption, you start off disbelieving then expect proof of what you don't believe. it is the principle of believing that all things might be true and that each individual shalt inquire It's called incredulity and it's a great trait for a person to have. Believing things outright is a corruption of the intellect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted February 13, 2014 #14 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Geez, talk about intellectual corruption, you start off disbelieving then expect proof of what you don't believe. it is the principle of believing that all things might be true and that each individual shalt inquire What is so intellectual about being gullible?Science is all about supporting claims, it's obvious you aren't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros of Skaro Posted February 13, 2014 #15 Share Posted February 13, 2014 People can spin away untill they blow a tire, but in the end this picture sums it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
029b10 Posted February 14, 2014 Author #16 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) It's called incredulity and it's a great trait for a person to have. Believing things outright is a corruption of the intellect. Like the Presumption of Innocence for those accused of a Crime. e]What is so intellectual about being gullible? Science is all about supporting claims, it's obvious you aren't. Let's see, Religion says in the beginning God created the heaven and earth [universe] Metaphysics says, in the beginning the all the observable universe came into existence by the Big Bang. [source] Religion holds that a serpent talked to the woman using the spoken word. Evolutions holds the belief that animals can speak the spoken word. [source] Religion holds that man was created in the likeness and image of an Eternal Being. Science holds that energy can neither be created nor destroyed yet denies the existence of a Eternal Entity. (Yet the Universe has a finite nature, in size, in substance and in process; If the Universe is not finite body of space, then how could it expand. If the Universe is not finite in substance then how could it be finite in size. And if the Universe is not a finite life process, then how could it end [soure] People can spin away untill they blow a tire, but in the end this picture sums it up. Since Man can not fertilize the egg of a female primate, nor can the male primate fertilize the egg of the Woman,. then seeing that this fact is observed today, then logic would dictate that it neither could have occurred nor will occur, so then where is the proof of this miraculous conception except but in the mind of the believer only. Edited February 14, 2014 by 029b10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted February 14, 2014 #17 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Let's see, Religion says in the beginning God created the heaven and earth [universe] Metaphysics says, in the beginning the all the observable universe came into existence by the Big Bang. [source] Stephen Hawking is a theoretical physicist, I don't know where you got metaphysics from. Religion holds that a serpent talked to the woman using the spoken word. Evolutions holds the belief that animals can speak the spoken word. [source] Evolution makes no such claim. Oh and your link is about scientists teaching *some apes* to speak.Religion holds that man was created in the likeness and image of an Eternal Being.Science holds that energy can neither be created nor destroyed yet denies the existence of a Eternal Entity. Science is knowledge collected via the scientific method. Why should it accept make believe? Since Man can not fertilize the egg of a female primate, nor can the male primate fertilize the egg of the Woman,. then seeing that this fact is observed today, then logic would dictate that it neither could have occurred nor will occur, so then where is the proof of this miraculous conception except but in the mind of the believer only. Humans are primateshttp://anthro.palomar.edu/primate/prim_8.htm Assuming you're talking of apes, who are these believers who think humans can breed with apes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
029b10 Posted February 14, 2014 Author #18 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Stephen Hawking is a theoretical physicist, I don't know where you got metaphysics from. Evolution makes no such claim. Oh and your link is about scientists teaching *some apes* to speak. Science is knowledge collected via the scientific method. Why should it accept make believe? Humans are primates Ok, then do you believe that the Universe had a beginning that made the heaven and the earth [universe] like written in Genesis? Is it possible to teach apes to communicate using the spoken word? Do you hold all energy is a form of Eternal substance since it can neither be created nor destroyed? Did live originate from common descent, like from a Adam and Eve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted February 14, 2014 #19 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) Ok, then do you believe that the Universe had a beginning that made the heaven and the earth [universe] like written in Genesis? Is it possible to teach apes to communicate using the spoken word? Do you hold all energy is a form of Eternal substance since it can neither be created nor destroyed? Did live originate from common descent, like from a Adam and Eve? 1. The universe had a beginning but nothing like Genesis, the Genesis creation is geocentric with the earth forming before the sun and stars.2. From your link only one ape came close, Viki could speak 4 words by moving her lips. Given the amount of contact between humans and apes, I'd have to say no. 3. Energy isn't a substance, it's a property. 4. The earliest life forms were bacteria. Edited February 14, 2014 by Rlyeh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros of Skaro Posted February 14, 2014 #20 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) Since Man can not fertilize the egg of a female primate, nor can the male primate fertilize the egg of the Woman,. then seeing that this fact is observed today, then logic would dictate that it neither could have occurred nor will occur, so then where is the proof of this miraculous conception except but in the mind of the believer only. That's not what evolution looks like, besides Humans, and Apes share a common ancestor, but are not the same species. http://www.unexplain...60#entry5069121 Edited February 14, 2014 by davros of skaro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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