andy4 Posted May 3, 2014 #476 Share Posted May 3, 2014 It's doing better than what it was. God help us all if a republican wins the presidency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 3, 2014 #477 Share Posted May 3, 2014 (edited) It couldn't be any worse if one does. I've seen nothing but rising prices of every single thing I buy on a day to day basis in the last six years and fifty million new food stamp recipients. What's better about that? Edited May 3, 2014 by F3SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted May 3, 2014 Author #478 Share Posted May 3, 2014 It's doing better than what it was. God help us all if a republican wins the presidency. Yeah because the democrats have done so well the last six freakin' years. Record debt, .1% economic growth which is actually -2% if the democrats hadn't changed the formula, massive failure in in geopolitics, spying on US citizens at a rate never thought possible, IRS attacking Obama's political enemies, first lady gallivanting around the world at the cost of 100s of millions of dollars while millions have quit looking for a job, real unemployment of 12%, highest gas prices in US history, ACA a complete failure and getting worse and now we have Benghazzi. This is what andy4 considers success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 4, 2014 #479 Share Posted May 4, 2014 It's doing better than what it was. God help us all if a republican wins the presidency. Or maybe.... God will help us all when a republican wins the presidency?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 4, 2014 #480 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I doubt they have an accurate count of who signed up for what because the website is still broken. No one really knows since the whole thing is so shrouded in lies and BS now. Some are speculating that just starting an application, a necessity for getting on the unsecured site, is counted as enrolled. Regardless, until you pay it doesn't count for anything but the lies and fabrications get deeper and deeper every day. At my work I have a simply SQL script (That took 5 minutes to write) that can go out to our database and find which of several million die (aka "Chips") had voltage measurements at specific points of the processor. Then show me every detail of those chips. Building a database is super, super, super easy. There is absolutely no, no, no, no reason why the FedGov can't build a database that includes who enrolled, who payed, and who is currently covered. Aside from the data entry itself, the process is one of minutes, and the searching of that data would be one of seconds. The fact is that the data entry part of this whole thing, which was supposed to be automated, is a complete failure. We can't have any figures, other then estimates that are rounded off to the millions (Wow, super accurate there... Not), because no one really knows. Is Joe the Plumber from Ohio covered? Only Joe really knows it seems. Even the insurance companies are confused. Very bad implementation. But hell they only had what 4 to 5 years to get it set up..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 4, 2014 #481 Share Posted May 4, 2014 To repeal Obamacare the Republicans will need both houses of Congress, the Senate by at least sixty votes, and the Presidency. The process would also disrupt the American economy for a couple more years of uncertainty. Both houses of Congress for the Republicans might not be unimaginable. Neither is the Presidency. Actually I think the 60 votes is only necessary to bypass a filibuster. And I think it is actually a percentage. So if somehow.... a few democrat Senators were out of town..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 4, 2014 #482 Share Posted May 4, 2014 At my work I have a simply SQL script (That took 5 minutes to write) that can go out to our database and find which of several million die (aka "Chips") had voltage measurements at specific points of the processor. Then show me every detail of those chips. Building a database is super, super, super easy. There is absolutely no, no, no, no reason why the FedGov can't build a database that includes who enrolled, who payed, and who is currently covered. Aside from the data entry itself, the process is one of minutes, and the searching of that data would be one of seconds. The fact is that the data entry part of this whole thing, which was supposed to be automated, is a complete failure. We can't have any figures, other then estimates that are rounded off to the millions (Wow, super accurate there... Not), because no one really knows. Is Joe the Plumber from Ohio covered? Only Joe really knows it seems. Even the insurance companies are confused. Very bad implementation. But hell they only had what 4 to 5 years to get it set up..... It was a government contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 4, 2014 #483 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Both houses of Congress for the Republicans might not be unimaginable. Neither is the Presidency. Actually I think the 60 votes is only necessary to bypass a filibuster. And I think it is actually a percentage. So if somehow.... a few democrat Senators were out of town..... Well I live in another country but think I have a better feel for American politics than most Americans -- all educated foreigners are like that. The news we get is slanted but not nearly so much, at least about America, and not so admiring of the institutions themselves.I think Obamacare could be repealed fairly easily actually, with a Republican president enough Democrats could be persuaded this way or that. What I think is more likely is that it will go into effect, be found to not really do anything much, and end up with the unpopular parts repealed and a few other tweaks and rendered workable. All rich countries, in my opinion, ought to provide some foundation of health protection for the population. As it is the US does less than Vietnam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 4, 2014 #484 Share Posted May 4, 2014 It was a government contract. Explains it all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 4, 2014 #485 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Well I live in another country but think I have a better feel for American politics than most Americans -- all educated foreigners are like that. The news we get is slanted but not nearly so much, at least about America, and not so admiring of the institutions themselves. I think Obamacare could be repealed fairly easily actually, with a Republican president enough Democrats could be persuaded this way or that. What I think is more likely is that it will go into effect, be found to not really do anything much, and end up with the unpopular parts repealed and a few other tweaks and rendered workable. All rich countries, in my opinion, ought to provide some foundation of health protection for the population. As it is the US does less than Vietnam. I agree with most of that. I'm not sure it will ever happen where the ACA is edited. It seems the Democrats fear that the Republicans will throw out the entire thing. And it seems the Democrats feel this is a Sacred Cow that should not be touched or meddled with, unless the meddling is done by a brother Democrat. The entire issue is one side does not trust the other, even when both sides agree that some change needs to happen, neither trusts the other to actually hold up their end of the deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted May 4, 2014 #486 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Very bad implementation. But hell they only had what 4 to 5 years to get it set up..... I've posted it before. Actually about 6-8 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted May 4, 2014 Author #487 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I've posted it before. Actually about 6-8 months. When was ACA enacted and when did it start? That is how long they had to build a website. What ever stupid excuse you are trying to make is meaningless because they had years to get this program set up. Also, they spent in excess of $600 million on that site so some contractor was burning through $100 million a month in coding if your chicanery is to be believed. That's a lot of flying fingers for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 5, 2014 #488 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I've posted it before. Actually about 6-8 months. When was ACA enacted and when did it start? That is how long they had to build a website. What ever stupid excuse you are trying to make is meaningless because they had years to get this program set up. I don't know Merc. The way I read Ninja's post, he's agreeing with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted May 5, 2014 Author #489 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I don't know Merc. The way I read Ninja's post, he's agreeing with me. He is trying to excuse the failure of the website to too little time for production which only condemns them to an inability to plan properly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy4 Posted May 5, 2014 #490 Share Posted May 5, 2014 He is trying to excuse the failure of the website to too little time for production which only condemns them to an inability to plan properly. "Teh webzite omg teh webzite don't werk!" Seriously dude, it works, has been working and no one but crazies stuck in the past of months ago don't care that it wasn't working. Months ago. Get over it already. It works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 5, 2014 #491 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I've seen companies spend years building grandiose systems recommended by consulting firms that inevitably failed. Building the data bases might be part of the problem, but the usual main problem are the interfaces and the computer resources not being up to the task. Where I would blame the managers here was in not seeming to be aware of the potential difficulties and being so grandiose rather than introducing it in baby steps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy4 Posted May 5, 2014 #492 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Yeah because the democrats have done so well the last six freakin' years. Record debt, .1% economic growth which is actually -2% if the democrats hadn't changed the formula, massive failure in in geopolitics, spying on US citizens at a rate never thought possible, IRS attacking Obama's political enemies, first lady gallivanting around the world at the cost of 100s of millions of dollars while millions have quit looking for a job, real unemployment of 12%, highest gas prices in US history, ACA a complete failure and getting worse and now we have Benghazzi. This is what andy4 considers success. 1. Benghazi (that's with 1 z...) was a republican political stunt to make Obama look bad. (It didn't work, get over it already) 2. Gas prices were highest in 2008. 3. The ACA is working just fine, even though you'll never, until the end of time, think that it ever worked well. 4. All First Ladies travel the world at the expense of millions of tax dollars. Nothing new. 5. Well, they were new groups and really, who wouldn't want to screen a new political group named after one that didn't want to pay taxes. 6. The economy has grown according to 1. Sanity and 2. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG as well as 3. http://www.multpl.com/us-gdp-growth-rate/table/by-year It only shrunk in 2008, concurrent with the highest level of gas prices AKA not surprising. 7. Yeah you're right, record debt generally proceeds after an economy nearly collapses, hence the large amount of spending to make sure it didn't actually collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 5, 2014 #493 Share Posted May 5, 2014 1. Benghazi (that's with 1 z...) was a republican political stunt to make Obama look bad. (It didn't work, get over it already) Huh?? The American ambassador was killed for Chrissake, and this is a "Republican stunt?" What the hell are you talking about? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy4 Posted May 5, 2014 #494 Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) 1. Benghazi (that's with 1 z...) was a republican political stunt to make Obama look bad. (It didn't work, get over it already) Huh?? The American ambassador was killed for Chrissake, and this is a "Republican stunt?" What the hell are you talking about? I knew someone would misinterpret that. It was blown vastly out of proportion are the words I should've used. No, I don't think john boehner was shooting off mortar rounds. How many Americans have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why no scandals over the way they are killed? Remember that one time Wikileaks released that "collateral damage" video? Why no republican scandal then? Oh wait...they weren't Americans, and a republican was president, so nevermind. And honestly, why is their death so much more important than the thousands of other Americans who die in some form EVERY day? It was nothing more than a political stunt to take out an "enemy" politician because they were too powerful, and the republicans know that the same dingdongs who vote for them would eat it up. Nothing screams louder in a "scandal" than public outrage. And you were all screaming....over nothing and at their benefit, you gained nothing from that. Did you? It was a waste of time, merc should know by now that the economy was in bad shape, and those senate hearings (which cost the taxpayer) could've been used to fix the economy, yet here he is, still propagating the same trash. But he liked them, because they were anti-Obama, hence why he has no problem with it. What a joke. Edited May 5, 2014 by andy4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 5, 2014 #495 Share Posted May 5, 2014 So all you do is avoid the question and bring up irrelevant assertions all of which are themselves just your opinion. You should get your facts straight if you want to persuade knowledgeable people and be honest about them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy4 Posted May 5, 2014 #496 Share Posted May 5, 2014 So all you do is avoid the question and bring up irrelevant assertions all of which are themselves just your opinion. You should get your facts straight if you want to persuade knowledgeable people and be honest about them. That what, a politician "lied" and said they didn't know what happened 5 hours after the initial event? I'm honestly not even sure why people were so upset in the first place? What did that accomplish and how did it help you? If it was a scandal, it was one to waste time and make some peoples lives more exciting when they wake up in the morning. I'll ask you this, why did it upset you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 5, 2014 #497 Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) How many Americans have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why no scandals over the way they are killed? Remember that one time Wikileaks released that "collateral damage" video? Why no republican scandal then? Oh wait...they weren't Americans, and a republican was president, so nevermind. And honestly, why is their death so much more important than the thousands of other Americans who die in some form EVERY day? It was nothing more than a political stunt to take out an "enemy" politician because they were too powerful, and the republicans know that the same dingdongs who vote for them would eat it up. Nothing screams louder in a "scandal" than public outrage. And you were all screaming....over nothing and at their benefit, you gained nothing from that. Did you? Seriously? Are you implying nobody ever talks about Iraq? Never a scandal or public outrage? Also, from 2008... Gas prices fall below $1.87 Gasoline prices declined for the 70th consecutive day and are now 55% below the record high in mid-July. EMAIL | PRINT | SHARE | RSS By Julianne Pepitone, CNNMoney.com contributing writer Last Updated: November 26, 2008: 12:50 PM ET NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Gasoline prices declined for the 70th straight day, falling below the $1.87 per gallon mark, according to a national survey of credit card swipes at gasoline stations. The national average fell 1.7 cents, sinking to the lowest level since Jan. 27, 2005, according to motorist group AAA. Over the last 70 days gas prices have plummeted 52%. http://www.money.cnn.com/2008/11/26/news/economy/gas_prices_sink/ Edited May 5, 2014 by F3SS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy4 Posted May 5, 2014 #498 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Seriously? Are you implying nobody ever talks about Iraq? Never a scandal or public outrage? Also, from 2008... No they do, it's just never one event that gets blown out of proportion and goes on for a year. Ridiculous. Yeah, they were low in 2008, and also had the record for being the highest 6 months previous. Therefore mercs point that under Obama they are "record setting" is false. Check the graph again. http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2013/jul/23/roger-williams/says-obama-policies-contributed-raising-gas-prices/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 5, 2014 #499 Share Posted May 5, 2014 No they do, it's just never one event that gets blown out of proportion and goes on for a year. Ridiculous. Yeah, they were low in 2008, and also had the record for being the highest 6 months previous. Therefore mercs point that under Obama they are "record setting" is false. Check the graph again. If you can't see the differences I can't help you. Maybe so but they sure as heck rose back up soon after and never looked back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy4 Posted May 5, 2014 #500 Share Posted May 5, 2014 If you can't see the differences I can't help you. Maybe so but they sure as heck rose back up soon after and never looked back. Same here. Couldn't have had anything to do with the economy and devaluation of the dollar.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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