Trajectory from flying objects

[Perene]

OK this is getting absurd. It wasn't a space ship

There`s no way of knowing whatever it was. That`s why I called UFO. I never said it was anything specific. Did you even bother to read any of the posts I made?

and there is no cover-up, just an ATC that really doesn't have the time to tell you what aircraft is flying over your house at such and such a time.

Thank you for explaining the difference between a cover-up and pure laziness. I am sure anyone who took time to read between the lines from what I just said would have reached the same conclusion. I am not fond of conspiracy theories, but I am sure the explanation could be other than **aliens are visiting us** and more like **a foreign aircraft is invading this airspace and no one is monitoring properly**. This other scenario is very plausible, why in the world do you think is so absurd that can`t even be mentioned or suspected?

BTW, there are several sites that show all aircraft in the air real time if you'd take the least bit of time to do a search.

Do they keep logs from past events, too?

No cover-up, no secrecy nothing but what I suspect is someone looking to make something out of nothing.

I am not making something out of nothing. I am just gathering information to reach a conclusion. You on the other hand seem damn sure about what you know and with that attitude you are not helping me or anyone else here.

What kind of investigation do you conduct in your own life? I bet if you were a cop, you would flip a coin to decide whether someone committed a crime or not.

Don`t blame me for being thorough. Not everything in this world (sensible realm to be more accurate) is exactly what appears to be.

Only cowards are afraid of being wrong and do not pursue the Truth. Instead of doing something useful their favorite pastime is to ridicule others. I have no sympathy for this kind of fool.

Edited March 2, 2014 by Perene

[scowl]

One of the best options

for sky observations is a DLSR with a 50mm lens, fixed on a tripod and connected to a PC/laptop with a time exposure software.

I'd recommend an SLR instead of a dual lens single reflex camera. They're a lot cheaper and lighter!

[toast]

I am not making something out of nothing.

You are doing nothing else here than this, that`s for sure.

Edited March 2, 2014 by toast

[Perene]

You are doing nothing else here than this, that`s for sure.

When I came here, I was expecting to hear similar UFO reports. There`s a reason why this thread is named TRAJECTORY FROM FLYING OBJECTS. I am not interested to make this about my experience.

I didn`t mean to report an UFO sighting, but to ask if there are other flying objects rather than an airplane that could be similar to mine. Plus to investigate, based on recorded sightings (not just your word) and evalution from **specialists**, that planes can create this illusion in the night to the unwary observer.

Instead I only received criticism from you.

So what I said earlier still stands. Nobody is going to help me or anyone else to find out the truth about anything. We have to discover what happened (or what is happening) ourselves.

Worse than being alone in the Universe is to realize you can never count on anyone for anything.

Except to display arrogance, incompetence, laziness, and all those vices that are spread in this existence like a virus.

[Merc14]

When I came here, I was expecting to hear similar UFO reports. There`s a reason why this thread is named TRAJECTORY FROM FLYING OBJECTS. I am not interested to make this about my experience.

I didn`t mean to report an UFO sighting, but to ask if there are other flying objects rather than an airplane that could be similar to mine. Plus to investigate, based on recorded sightings (not just your word) and evalution from **specialists**, that planes can create this illusion in the night to the unwary observer.

Instead I only received criticism from you.

So what I said earlier still stands. Nobody is going to help me or anyone else to find out the truth about anything. We have to discover what happened (or what is happening) ourselves.

Worse than being alone in the Universe is to realize you can never count on anyone for anything.

Except to display arrogance, incompetence, laziness, and all those vices that are spread in this existence like a virus.

You want to hear you saw something other than an optical illusion. PM zoser, he'll believe you

[Dumpnuts]

Seriously, this topic is going nowhere. You saw an aircraft of human nature & don't want to accept it when others point that out. This is truly a clear cut case of Zoserian thinking at work. There is a good old fashioned adage for this; "You can't teach stupid."

[toast]

When I came here, I was expecting to hear similar UFO reports.

That`s ok in general.

There`s a reason why this thread is named TRAJECTORY FROM

FLYING OBJECTS. I am not interested to make this about my experience. I didn`t mean to report an UFO sighting, but to ask if there

are other flying objects rather than an airplane that could be similar to mine. Plus to investigate, based on recorded sightings (not just

your word) and evalution from **specialists**, that planes can create this illusion in the night to the unwary observer.

Instead I only received criticism from you. So what I said earlier still stands.

In yr 1st post you stated that you are "not buying

it was an UFO" but is seems that you have changed yr opinion during the discussion.

This ping-pong continues in your comments.

Nobody is going to help me or anyone else to find out the truth about anything

That`s incorrect. Several members, also on boards.ie, gave you the information that it is most probably that you saw an A/C and you by yourself stated that you were able to see details of it. Your initial question was based on the fact that you saw an object that was directed towards to you and did not moved, as usual for you, horizontal. That`s not an unusual flight pass of A/Cs in general, but ok.

You were informed about Flightradar24.com at least on 22.02.2014, so before you entered UM, but it seems that you did not checked

this page to bring some light into your observation by yourself. You requested several times that you would like to know if the object

you saw was an A/C and you requested informations about flight details for proof or disproof. You were told where you can find these

details but it`s not the responsibility of the community to do that just to give you the proof that the object was an A/C or to confute

that it was something other that an A/C.

Many UM members with a high level of knowledge on seeing analysis gave you the information that yr observation did not lead to another

object than an A/C. You asked the community for answers and you got answers, that was the deal. But instead of accepting these

opinions, you partial gave some rude answers like : "So instead of beeing an ass, show some humility", “If you don`t have anything

more to say then get lost”, “I had enough of all these punks mocking me up about this report”, “You, on the other hand, seem content

about your own ignorance” If such kind of speaking is your level of communication quality, you will just drop down yourself to a poster

non grata and you should not wonder getting some headwind resulted by your behavior.

We have to discover what happened (or what is happening) ourselves.

Worse than being alone in the Universe is to realize you can never count on anyone for anything.Except to display arrogance,

incompetence, laziness, and all those vices that are spread in this existence like a virus.

It`s the UFO section here, not the world weariness section.

Edited March 3, 2014 by toast

[Perene]

Here`s some information I got from Flightradar24.com. They said it is possible to playback a month ago. So comparing the time here (GMT -3), February 5, 2014, 12-25 AM local time, it returned in UTC 03-25.

I took 3 pictures from the planes passing near my area

http://i.imgur.com/aP4g14o.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3OdcEjG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kE4chR5.jpg

However, in my location it was 12-25 AM but that was not GMT -3 due to the Daylight saving time that ended February 16. The official time was 01-25 AM in Brazil (GMT -3) but 12-25 AM here (we don`t have this thing). Considering that info, the correct time in UTC would be plus 3 hours around 04-25 AM.

More shots

http://i.imgur.com/5a4PWbg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/q5VX6xn.jpg <--------

http://i.imgur.com/XCIOpfY.jpg (this one was also close enough in that specific period, but far from my city)

http://i.imgur.com/5n1PWsW.jpg

Can you make an assessment now? JJ8071 was the nearest plane in that moment and area.

Edited March 3, 2014 by Perene

[Perene]

I have recorded that moment from Flightradar24 and posted a video on Vimeo (watch in fullscreen and with the best resolution)

From what I can see, it was either the TAM8071/JJ8071 (Boeing 777-32W (ER)) or the GOL1182/G31182 (Boeing 737-8EH) that flew over that area, but from the looks of it only the TAM plane was close enough from where I was/am.

[Perene]

Another UFO was spotted less than 10 minutes ago (local time 10:50 PM). This time I think I saw exactly the same thing I reported earlier, but the light was faint (it was distant from my field of view, there was no way I could identify as an airplane - and I mean really no way to tell if it was anything other than a strange light in the sky - compared to the previous report, where I believe the light could be seen more close, but I also didn't remember what it looked like) and it was going upwards as well.

There were two lights, one seemed to be red and the other was "normal". However I noticed something that perhaps was also what happened in the 1st report - the plane went upwards, but after that...

It didn't went only upwards, but over my house/head. Visiting Flightradar24.com right after that moment, I saw that a plane from Rio de Janeiro crossed my airspace, going to another location (155 miles from where I am).

http://i.imgur.com/vk8uzeK.jpg

This image also shows something interesting - the plane is 6 miles above the ground, the same thing could be noticed from the records of the 1st UFO sighting I reported here.

The thing is, when you are seeing with a naked eye that sort of image in the sky you can't really tell whatever it is. Perhaps it's exactly this sort of thing that convinces people they are not seeing a comercial airplane, but flying saucers visiting their location.

When my telescope arrives I'll be keeping track of the sky to spot other planes doing the same.

Edited March 10, 2014 by Perene

[Merc14]

Another UFO was spotted less than 10 minutes ago (local time 10:50 PM). This time I think I saw exactly the same thing I reported earlier, but the light was faint (it was distant from my field of view, there was no way I could identify as an airplane - and I mean really no way to tell if it was anything other than a strange light in the sky - compared to the previous report, where I believe the light could be seen more close, but I also didn't remember what it looked like) and it was going upwards as well.

There were two lights, one seemed to be red and the other was "normal". However I noticed something that perhaps was also what happened in the 1st report - the plane went upwards, but after that...

It didn't went only upwards, but over my house/head. Visiting Flightradar24.com right after that moment, I saw that a plane from Rio de Janeiro crossed my airspace, going to another location (155 miles from where I am).

http://i.imgur.com/vk8uzeK.jpg

This image also shows something interesting - the plane is 6 miles above the ground, the same thing could be noticed from the records of the 1st UFO sighting I reported here.

The thing is, when you are seeing with a naked eye that sort of image in the sky you can't really tell whatever it is. Perhaps it's exactly this sort of thing that convinces people they are not seeing a comercial airplane, but flying saucers visiting their location.

When my telescope arrives I'll be keeping track of the sky to spot other planes doing the same.

I see a big star of David and an arrow. If the thing was that faint it was a satellite

[Perene]

I see a big star of David and an arrow. If the thing was that faint it was a satellite

This time it was more like this:

When you see something like this from your window and is not aware this sort of trajectory can be expected from airplanes, it makes you wonder, no doubt.

[Merc14]

It looks like an aircraft. Sorry but I see nothing strange.

[Perene]

It looks like an aircraft. Sorry but I see nothing strange.

This picture doesn't prove it was anything other than two sets of lights. It might as well be anything, even lights from the nearest building.

The main evidence this was a plane are the flight records from the moment the UFO was seen over this area. If were not for such records we could only infer it was a comercial plane based on sightings from distance, the trajectory they display us while in the air, we may also argue it's easy to get confused about distant objects, but that's it.

Unless you magnify the image and record as well (assume you did magnify but the UFO continues to be strange and doesn't look like a plane, for example, what if from your view it had no wings? Or you could not see any wings clearly?), you have no way of telling this is a plane or even a firefly.

The image I posted in the previous post is what I could see from distance.

Let's assume things like that from other planets were visiting Earth right now:

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x143/gy4/Flyingsaucer.jpg

How could you tell it was not one of them, and argue they don't even exist?

From the flight records of that moment, and if you could take a good look in details of the object. And if you knew for sure your air traffic control center is unable to detect an unknown aircraft invading your airspace. If you are sure that any UFO invading your airspace cannot be easily intercepted and identified, the same way we know it's impossible to monitor every inch from outer space, then you may also argue a "theoretical alien spaceship" could visit you.

It's easy to imagine things that don't exist and impossible scenarios when you are ignorant about the methods that are used to find out the Truth. That explains the many legends and myths that are created to explain things that with a little effort could be easily discovered.

Edited March 10, 2014 by Perene

[toast]

Another UFO was spotted less than 10 minutes ago (local time 10:50 PM). This time I think I saw exactly the same thing I reported earlier, but the light was faint (it was distant from my field of view, there was no way I could identify as an airplane - and I mean really no way to tell if it was anything other than a strange light in the sky - compared to the previous report, where I believe the light could be seen more close, but I also didn't remember what it looked like) and it was going upwards as well.

There were two lights, one seemed to be red and the other was "normal". However I noticed something that perhaps was also what happened in the 1st report - the plane went upwards, but after that...

Was this picture taken pm local today?

Edited March 10, 2014 by toast

[Perene]

This is a drawing made using Paint from a picture I found on the internet.

The cameras I have here can't record anything in the dark. You saw how clear the two shots I took using iPAD 4 were but they were recorded in the afternoon.

[sinewave]

This picture doesn't prove it was anything other than two sets of lights. It might as well be anything, even lights from the nearest building.

The main evidence this was a plane are the flight records from the moment the UFO was seen over this area. If were not for such records we could only infer it was a comercial plane based on sightings from distance, the trajectory they display us while in the air, we may also argue it's easy to get confused about distant objects, but that's it.

Unless you magnify the image and record as well (assume you did magnify but the UFO continues to be strange and doesn't look like a plane, for example, what if from your view it had no wings? Or you could not see any wings clearly?), you have no way of telling this is a plane or even a firefly.

The image I posted in the previous post is what I could see from distance.

Let's assume things like that from other planets were visiting Earth right now:

http://i186.photobuc...lyingsaucer.jpg

How could you tell it was not one of them, and argue they don't even exist?

From the flight records of that moment, and if you could take a good look in details of the object. And if you knew for sure your air traffic control center is unable to detect an unknown aircraft invading your airspace. If you are sure that any UFO invading your airspace cannot be easily intercepted and identified, the same way we know it's impossible to monitor every inch from outer space, then you may also argue a "theoretical alien spaceship" could visit you.

It's easy to imagine things that don't exist and impossible scenarios when you are ignorant about the methods that are used to find out the Truth. That explains the many legends and myths that are created to explain things that with a little effort could be easily discovered.

Yes! Congratulations, you have made an important step toward better understanding the nature of things. Nice work.