Astronaut recalls encounter with a UFO

[mystery fan]

You believe in some fantastical stories which you thought were backed up by credible witnesses but Jim Oberg proved that those stories weren't quite true, in a most polite fashion I may add, and you call him a dictator? A dictator is a person who asks you to believe the impossible, with no real proof to back it up and then punishes you for not buying their crap. You have no proof and demand we believe you or we are idiots and worse and Oberg has nothing but proof and asks you to just consider it. Who is the tyrant here?

Gotta love internet message forums! I called Oberg a "dictator" because he is stating things as if they are empirical fact without the slight possibility of being wrong. Call it a "know-it-all" if you like, if you think that sounds more "polite". Whatever the case may be, people are entitled to tell their stories without being ridiculed by others. Whether it is Gordon Cooper or whomever else. I never claimed to have "proof" of anything and have always stuck by the same point here: it is a story that one either tends to believe or doesn't. I have never called anyone an "idiot or worse" as that was assumed on your part. I am not responsible for what one chooses to believe. Nor am I trying to influence because that would be pointless and arrogant on my part to even try. Man, people are sensitive these days!

[mystery fan]

What is it precisely that Schuessler claims to have learned 'inside NASA' that you find so significant? He disagrees with my assessment of the Gemini-4 'beer can', I know that. What else? Anything he saw or read or heard?

Anyone who has listened to John Schuessler whether it is on TV shows, radio interviews, or otherwise knows the answer to that. His claim is that NASA knows[and has for some time] about alien life/contact and is actively covering it up. Let me guess, he's another "crackpot"? That debunker ridicule thing never gets old

[mystery fan]

It was never my intent to 'ridicule' Cooper or his stories, just to explain my reasons for having the opinion they were unworthy of belief. Is that would you misunderstood as 'ridicule', or do you think the word means something else?

You have indeed made my point abundantly clear here! Who deems you worthy of being the judge of what is "unworthy of belief"? While I understand people need proof, Cooper was simply stating what he witnessed. Stating that you don't share the same beliefs is one thing but claiming his story is unworthy of being believed as if it is irrefutable fact with no margin of error for being wrong is what I take issue with. And while I have always said some parts of Cooper's story are outrageous, I have never judged him as being a UFO nut or anything. It is what it is: a great story. I have never said it is fact and left it open for interpretation to those who read this topic.

[sinewave]

Drama? Hardly.

Calling Jim Oberg a dictator because he disagrees with you is a little dramatic. Attack the idea, not the person.

The case I have been making from the beginning is that these are just indeed stories. Since we have no way to verify what is being told, it is impossible for it to be proven. I have said it over & over that what it really boils down to is whether you believe these witnesses or not.

Hey! We agree on something!

How can one PROVE opinion? By all means, if you can explain that one you'll deserve a Nobel prize for debate and definitely be able to give us answers where none previously existed.

Jim's opinion is based on research where he actually spoke with the people involved. He is not merely quoting some version of the story posted on openminds.com. Jim has stated fact where appropriate and offered his opinion otherwise.

I never took a personal shot at anyone.

You did.

Just made observations based on replies. The ironic part is that if you are referring to Oberg, then you call me out for "taking personal shots" when he has been ridiculing Gordon Cooper, Armstrong, or any other witness who told their stories. Simply because he doesn't agree with their accounts and has an opposing viewpoint and mindset on the issue.

I read the same thread you did and I don't see where Jim ridiculed Cooper or anyone else for that matter. I said that I thought Cooper was nuts but Jim never said that.

Which is why the field of ufology is rarely taken seriously, because you have people who are telling their stories and not forcing anyone to believe it & then you have skeptics who will stop at nothing to ridicule those who are simply getting their accounts on record. Whether one chooses to believe the story or not is entirely their decision. I am simply stating my views on the matter no more and no less.

The field of ufology gets little respect because after 60+ years it has not produced a single piece of meaningful evidence. It has, however produced a thriving industry complete with conventions, books, and campy merchandise.

[JimOberg]

.....The ironic part is that if you are referring to Oberg, then you call me out for "taking personal shots" when he has been ridiculing Gordon Cooper, Armstrong, or any other witness who told their stories. .... I am simply stating my views on the matter no more and no less.

Where have I 'ridiculed' Cooper? I do not think that word means what you seem to think it means.

Now, about "Armstrong who told [his] stories", that seems to me to be grounds for ridiculing YOU who has fantasized that Armstrong ever told such a story. Of course you are free to believe this is true despite it being an unsourced tabloid newspaper story that is inconsistent with a hundred separate pieces of evidence you can check. This is what provides disproof of the story, not a wishy-washy 'might have been'.

I never order anybody to believe anything, I show them where THEY can verify it. Maybe if you refuse to do it, it's because you're afraid it will check out and you WANT to not believe it.

You're really squirming, which is an opportunity to realize some stuff you thought you knew, wasn't accurate. You want to know this, don't you?

[JimOberg]

Anyone who has listened to John Schuessler whether it is on TV shows, radio interviews, or otherwise knows the answer to that. His claim is that NASA knows [and has for some time] about alien life/contact and is actively covering it up. Let me guess, he's another "crackpot"? That debunker ridicule thing never gets old

Pointless hand-waving and dodging. What is it precisely about specific space encounters that Schuessler claims to have learned 'inside NASA' that you find so significant? He disagrees with my assessment of the Gemini-4 'beer can', I know that. What other astronauts does he say saw UFOs?

Why would NASA tell him their big secret?

[mystery fan]

Calling Jim Oberg a dictator because he disagrees with you is a little dramatic. Attack the idea, not the person.

I call him a dictator obviously being sarcastic at how narcissistic he is. As if he's the only one with the correct answer, kind of a bit arrogant. Even so, it is not an attack. Merely an observation, big difference.

Hey! We agree on something!

How about that?

Jim's opinion is based on research where he actually spoke with the people involved. He is not merely quoting some version of the story posted on openminds.com. Jim has stated fact where appropriate and offered his opinion otherwise.

I respect the fact that Oberg has done his research. BRAVO! However, doing research does not qualify you to judge what is believable and what isn't, which is what I took issue with. State it as your opinion and not fact.

You did.

Did I?

I read the same thread you did and I don't see where Jim ridiculed Cooper or anyone else for that matter. I said that I thought Cooper was nuts but Jim never said that.

He never said it, but if you pay attention to the overall tone of his replies it is very heavily implied. The fact that he keeps saying Cooper is unbelievable shows he isn't open minded enough to even consider the possibility he MIGHT be wrong. Just maybe!

The field of ufology gets little respect because after 60+ years it has not produced a single piece of meaningful evidence. It has, however produced a thriving industry complete with conventions, books, and campy merchandise.

The field of ufology while having its obvious flaws, is a very real attempt to at least analyze what is going on with UFOs and an effort to determine what millions worldwide are seeing. In every line of work there will be the con men and those attempting to profit.

Edited March 10, 2014 by mystery fan

[mystery fan]

Pointless hand-waving and dodging. What is it precisely about specific space encounters that Schuessler claims to have learned 'inside NASA' that you find so significant? He disagrees with my assessment of the Gemini-4 'beer can', I know that. What other astronauts does he say saw UFOs?

Why would NASA tell him their big secret?

Once again, Oberg has spoken. No point debating, right? Chances are no matter what I say subsequent, you'll just deflect or otherwise distort to fit whatever your excuse happens to be for that reply. I never said that Schuessler claimed "other astronauts" saw UFOs. Another of your assumptions that you wrongly made. Maybe the whole problem is that you think Schuessler is beneath you and deep down, you might suspect that you were kept out of the loop? Is that even possible? Let me guess, no! As for your prior reply to me, I found that so laughable as to not even respond. You keep saying that I said something about Armstrong, when in fact I never said anything about him. That was another user entirely! So much for paying attention to the details.....

[JimOberg]

I call him a dictator obviously being sarcastic at how narcissistic he is. As if he's the only one with the correct answer, kind of a bit arrogant. .....

So because somebody else knows more about some subject than you do, you will deliberate ignore what he says unless he strokes your ego? I can see how the smooth-talking UFO con artists gain your trust -- they make you FEEL smart. Life's gonna be full of unpleasant shocks if that's your criterion for trust.

When making statements of fact [not of opinion] about space flight, where have I -not- been correct? A few examples, please.

He never said it, but if you pay attention to the overall tone of his replies it is very heavily implied.

And that justifies stating AS A FACT that indeed I -HAD- said it because I 'almost' did? ROTFLOL

The fact that he keeps saying Cooper is unbelievable shows he isn't open minded enough to even consider the possibility he MIGHT be wrong. Just maybe!

Where did I say that Cooper as a man was 'unbelievable', didn't I just say that some stories that I had CHECKED were unworthy of belief? This just implied to me that any other extraordinary stories that had not been checked needed careful assessment before concluding his sole-source say-so was proof of the claim.

If Cooper had offered you an aviation industry investment that could double your money in two years, would you give him your life savings? This is not a theoretical question -- it actually happened. What would have been the prudent decision? Don't you TRUST Cooper's word?

Seems to me you feel helpless in the face of people claiming stuff, to determine if you should believe them. You don't seem to know anything you might do to improve the accuracy of your guess.

What do you suggest should be done to assess Cooper's story of the Germany UFO event? What techniques would a grown up use to gather factors relevant to such an event happening or not. Please, suggest some stuff.

[JimOberg]

Once again, Oberg has spoken. No point debating, right? Chances are no matter what I say subsequent, you'll just deflect or otherwise distort to fit whatever your excuse happens to be for that reply. I never said that Schuessler claimed "other astronauts" saw UFOs. Another of your assumptions that you wrongly made. Maybe the whole problem is that you think Schuessler is beneath you and deep down, you might suspect that you were kept out of the loop? Is that even possible? Let me guess, no! As for your prior reply to me, I found that so laughable as to not even respond. You keep saying that I said something about Armstrong, when in fact I never said anything about him. That was another user entirely! So much for paying attention to the details.....

How can I verify a factual claim by somebody when you won't say what the claim IS and how the claimer supposedly learned it?

[bendigger0]

i wonder why astronauts, such as Gordon Cooper, aren't contributors to a Forum like this? i imagine 'they' are very disinterested in the mal-eloquent posturing of uninformed "critical thinkers" who insist that any incidence of contact with "flying saucers" is erroneous and/or cannot be substantiated. I, for one, am much more inclined to believe the first hand accounts of honorable men; as opposed to the "researched" conclusions of armchair observers.

[bendigger0]

What's with all the drama dude? Also, taking personal shots at other members just makes you look foolish.

He said, with a pointed, personal attack.

[Merc14]

i wonder why astronauts, such as Gordon Cooper, aren't contributors to a Forum like this? i imagine 'they' are very disinterested in the mal-eloquent posturing of uninformed "critical thinkers" who insist that any incidence of contact with "flying saucers" is erroneous and/or cannot be substantiated. I, for one, am much more inclined to believe the first hand accounts of honorable men; as opposed to the "researched" conclusions of armchair observers.

Make a list of these Honorable men and the claims they made and let's verify that claims were actually made.

[Merc14]

Gotta love internet message forums! I called Oberg a "dictator" because he is stating things as if they are empirical fact without the slight possibility of being wrong. Call it a "know-it-all" if you like, if you think that sounds more "polite". Whatever the case may be, people are entitled to tell their stories without being ridiculed by others. Whether it is Gordon Cooper or whomever else. I never claimed to have "proof" of anything and have always stuck by the same point here: it is a story that one either tends to believe or doesn't. I have never called anyone an "idiot or worse" as that was assumed on your part. I am not responsible for what one chooses to believe. Nor am I trying to influence because that would be pointless and arrogant on my part to even try. Man, people are sensitive these days!

Gotta love internet forums? What does that mean? Are you some kind of professional analyst come here to bestow your vast wisdom on the subject at hand and are snidely handling us plebes? I kind of think that is your attitude and while I was trying to be polite I can be an ass the same as you. You haven't presented any proof of anything, just taken potshots at people so lay it all out big man and show us your proof so we can all be amazed. I am starting to think you have nothing more than a desire for this garbage to be true and a love for a proven fraud to back it all up, which isn't an unusual thing for these internet forums.

[bendigger0]

and a love for a proven fraud

What fraud are you referring too? Please provide your sources and evidences.

[DONTEATUS]

Entropy isnt what it used to be !

[JimOberg]

i wonder why astronauts, such as Gordon Cooper, aren't contributors to a Forum like this? i imagine 'they' are very disinterested in the mal-eloquent posturing of uninformed "critical thinkers" who insist that any incidence of contact with "flying saucers" is erroneous and/or cannot be substantiated. I, for one, am much more inclined to believe the first hand accounts of honorable men; as opposed to the "researched" conclusions of armchair observers.

Ben, a lot of ordinary folks in the space community felt exactly that way about Cooper. In the mid-1980s, trusting and investing in people Cooper introduced as reliable friends, they lost a cumulative total in excess of two million dollars. Too bad you didn't have the chance to put your money where your mouth is.

Now that's a chapter in a hero's life most people would rather never have to be written.

[JimOberg]

Can we step back to common ground where we agree to a point? The original stories from Chiao and the dish photo from Apollo-16 -- are the offered prosaic explanations persuasive, in these cases? Anyone object to them and if so, on what grounds?

[SolarPlexus]

Donald Slayton (revealed in an interview he had seen UFOs in 1951)

Major Robert White (exclaimed over the radio: "There ARE things out there! There absolutely is!")

Joseph A. Walker (said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights but didn't like to talk to the press)

Eugene Cernan (said publicly he thinks UFOs were some other civilization)

Scott Carpenter (allegedly claimed there was constant surveillance by UFOs but claim remains unconfirmed)

Dr. Garry Henderson (said astronauts have seen these things but have been ordered not to discuss their findings with anyone)

James Lovell (Lovell witnessed UFOs at least three times, Gemini 7-8 and Appolo 8, he also made some photographs which were disputed)

Maurice Chatelain (confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater, )

MrDebunker you know all this, you interviewed half of these people, and youre telling us that all these stories are BS?

Edited March 11, 2014 by SolarPlexus

[psyche101]

Anyone who has listened to John Schuessler whether it is on TV shows, radio interviews, or otherwise knows the answer to that. His claim is that NASA knows[and has for some time] about alien life/contact and is actively covering it up. Let me guess, he's another "crackpot"? That debunker ridicule thing never gets old

AHA!

So that what this is all about. What a crying shame. I thought you kicked off OK, I never expected you to stoop to being someones sock puppet.

That was Schuessler's own personal version of events, and to the best of my knowledge an outright lie, below is what Schuessler refers to when he claims Jim called McDivvitt "a bleary eyed astronaut"

Jims words:

The glare and contrasts of space can trick even an astronaut's eyesight, as illustrated by this sequence from the Gemini-4 voice tapes. Astronaut Edward White has just spotted an object out the window: "We've got an object out in front of us. It's not flashing like it's the booster. It appears that it's that type of an object unless it's picking up some glow from the sun. It appears a very bright, very bright object. (30-second pause) It was the booster. I can see the lights flashing on it now ... Just as it goes into darkness, the reflection of the sun on the booster causes a very bright image. That's the object I had seen earlier."

Was there anything which might have affected McDivitt's eyesight during this part of the flight? A space magazine reported two items of interest: "The 100 percent oxygen atmosphere created some red eyes during the first day or so of the flight..." Furthermore, "Operation of the waste collection systems was [sic] generally satisfactory, except for leakage of urine into the cabin . . . McDivitt at one point told the ground that 'I thought those fumes around 24 hours were bad. You ought to be up here now!' "

CAPCOM: Jim, the Flight Surgeon wonders if he can say anything about your eyes. Have you had any problems? Any drying or anything at all? McDivitt: Yes. Listen, I had a lot of trouble with my eyes at the end of the first day. I wasn't sure I was going to be able to hack it. But they have cleared up now.... CAPCOM: O.K. You don't have any problem at all now with them? McDivitt: No problem at all. Though I was really bad between about 18 hours and 36 hours. Readers note: As the transcripts show, the UFO was reported at 29 hours, 52 minutes.

Schuessler in my opinion initiated this attack on Jim for no good reason whatsoever as anyone can see, and has shown he does not care for detail but paints with a very broad brush to achieve personal goals. He, like so many others, managed some impressive accomplishments in his heyday, but like so many, seems to find popularity more important than credibility. The above tells me outright lied to bolster his belief, like any UFOlogist does. Maybe not crackpot, but what from this information tells me, crackpot would be a step up. Crackpot at least is an excuse, this deliberate attack has no such excuse to fall back on. It;s just a lie. That is why UFOlogy lacks credibility today. How you place so much faith in a man who makes such erroneous claims honestly escapes me, and in turn, on his whim, you attack a genuine rocket scientist who spent decades learning the answers to the questions we ask, and gives us this information for free. Seriously, you're doing it wrong. And that is not opinion.

What happened to what the data has to say?

[psyche101]

i wonder why astronauts, such as Gordon Cooper, aren't contributors to a Forum like this?

Cooper has been dead for ten years, that stops him from posting anywhere at all.

i imagine 'they' are very disinterested in the mal-eloquent posturing of uninformed "critical thinkers" who insist that any incidence of contact with "flying saucers" is erroneous and/or cannot be substantiated.

But would be interested in woo laden tall tales? I think only the laziest of minds would be more than happy to turn to the dumb and easy answer.

What you seem to continue to overlook is Astronauts rely on people like Jim to get them into space and back. Gemini and Mercury were basically a little box sitting on top a missile. The men did little but sit in them and survive the trip up and down, rocket scientists, ohh, did I mention that is what Jim does?, are the people who everyone point a finger at if anything goes wrong. Why? Because they are responsible for the flight, not the Astronauts.

Jim has spoken face to face with the people you fantasise about, deal with it.

I, for one, am much more inclined to believe the first hand accounts of honorable men; as opposed to the "researched" conclusions of armchair observers.

Edgar Mitchell said it happened just like NASA said it did, and he went to the moon, not a 15 minute sub orbital flight. You calling Dr Mitchell a liar are you? From your armchair at that!!

Edited March 11, 2014 by psyche101

[JimOberg]

Donald Slayton (revealed in an interview he had seen UFOs in 1951)

Major Robert White (exclaimed over the radio: "There ARE things out there! There absolutely is!")

Joseph A. Walker (said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights but didn't like to talk to the press)

Eugene Cernan (said publicly he thinks UFOs were some other civilization)

Scott Carpenter (allegedly claimed there was constant surveillance by UFOs but claim remains unconfirmed)

Dr. Garry Henderson (said astronauts have seen these things but have been ordered not to discuss their findings with anyone)

James Lovell (Lovell witnessed UFOs at least three times, Gemini 7-8 and Appolo 8, he also made some photographs which were disputed)

Maurice Chatelain (confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater, )

MrDebunker you know all this, you interviewed half of these people, and youre telling us that all these stories are BS?

Slayton made a pre-astronaut run of the mill Blue Book report, I never checked further.

White's FULL conversation was about hand-sized sheets of something slowly tumbling 30-40 feet out the window [just at limit of binocular vision ranging].

Walker talked plenty about the curiosity engineers had over where the ice was coming off of, as the rocket plane soared into vacuum at max altitude.

Geno told me -- in writing -- he has no idea where that reporter got that idea, and he doesn't think that.

Scott, a friend until his death last year, denied in writing he had ever said or thought that.

Garry Henderson I interviewed by phone in 1976, and recorded it on my home page. He said the quote was bogus but he really wasn't too worried because it was only in nutty magazines, so he didn't care.

James Lovell has denied any UFO sightings, the Gemini-7 'bogie' was a joke during their critical first-ever Gemini program orbital rendezvous, the alleged 'photo of UFOs with glowing undersides' is a tabloid forgery, and Apollo-8 'Santa Claus' was in honor of the Christmas gift of not dying stranded in lunar orbit.

Chatelain was a French ancient-astronauts buff who never worked for NASA despite bogus claims he was 'head of communications'. A few hams DID also listen to Apollo-11 transmissions -- they're names are known and their rigs well described in SWL periodicals -- and they heard the same conversations NASA broadcast live to the world.

So yes, regarding in-space sightings of UFOs, your list scored a perfect 000, and the fabrications were obviously well-targeted at you.

Now -- why are you mad at ME for your OWN foolishness, how about those who deliberately or carelessly fed you BS with honey on it?

[ChrLzs]

Solar Plexus, would you be so kind as to CITE your claimed references. As Jim states, I know some of them are unsupported rubbish, but if you just post a list with not a single reference.. well, I'm sure something just went wrong as you embedded the links, right? If not, one would have to suspect you did that deliberately to avoid scrutiny... Tell me it isn't true!!

[psyche101]

Donald Slayton (revealed in an interview he had seen UFOs in 1951)

"Deke" Slayton did not know what he saw, but was happy to work with Balloon.

From Deke! An Autobiography

Then they told me: Just for your information, the day you saw this object a local company was flying high-altitude research balloons. They had a light airplane tracking it, and a station wagon on the ground. Both observers were watching this balloon and had seen this object come up beside the balloon. The object appeared to hover, then took off like hell.

The guys on the ground tracked it with a theodolite, and they'd computed the speed at four thousand miles an hour.

I guess they were trying to tell me I wasn't exactly crazy: somebody else had seen something unusual, too. But I never heard another thing about it.

My position is, I don't know what it was: it was unidentified. Maybe what I saw was the company's weather balloon-maybe the object going four thousand miles an hour to these guys on the ground was me. Maybe there was something about the environment and the setup that confused me. I don't know. Or it could have been something unknown. (I don't automatically presume that it came from Alpha Centauri, just because I can't identify it.). It's still an open question to me.

No reason to invoke Aliens at all here. Confusion does not = alien.

Major Robert White (exclaimed over the radio: "There ARE things out there! There absolutely is!")

Major Whites "UFO's" were about the size of a piece of paper, most likely Ice flakes, alien spaceships are bound to be bigger than a piece of paper.

He said, and I quote:

"I have no idea what it could be. It was grayish in color and about thrity to forty feet away."

How do you get "I saw an Alien Spaceship" from that?

Joseph A. Walker (said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights but didn't like to talk to the press)

Walton or Walker? One Joe Walton made the claim, but the plane was flow by Joe Walker. Even the names are thrown around haphazardly in that mess, there is no reason to cal that a legitimate claim, the details that do exist indicate fabrication, not aliens, what is special about this claim? Even The Mammoth Encyclopedia of Extraterrestrial Encounters lists it as bogus??

Eugene Cernan (said publicly he thinks UFOs were some other civilization)

If that is true, what does this demonstrate other than Cernan has absolutely no information at all, and has only been exposed to the same Sci Fi we all have? Millions of uninformed people say exactly the same thing. Because an Astronaut leaves Science Fiction to Science Fiction does not mean that all the dopey people seeking personal validation were correct, it mean Eugene knows squat about UFO's in general and what they are.

Scott Carpenter (allegedly claimed there was constant surveillance by UFOs but claim remains unconfirmed)

That's right, a magazine said those words, not Carpenter, you didn't bother with Carpenters fireflies? That would have been more appropriate don't you think seeming as things that look like bits if paper are also considered to be Interstellar spaceships??

Dr. Garry Henderson (said astronauts have seen these things but have been ordered not to discuss their findings with anyone)

Is this why you excluded Edgar Mitchell who says the exact opposite?

James Lovell (Lovell witnessed UFOs at least three times, Gemini 7-8 and Appolo 8, he also made some photographs which were disputed)

Are you talking about the nose of the spacecraft which was doctored to look like a separate object, the bags of trash they photographed or the booster rocket? Which "IFO" exactly are you referring to?

Maurice Chatelain (confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater, )

But not Armstrong, does that not tell you anything? Some say Armstrong converted to Muslim, some say his neighbour got a ******* from his wife over an old bet about "the little boy next door walking on the moon someday" Neil himself laughs at these stories. Do you not consider Armstrong to be correct here at all?

MrDebunker you know all this, you interviewed half of these people, and youre telling us that all these stories are BS?

They are BS, read ALL of it, not just to woo sites, try actually seeing what the men themselves said. But you, and anonymous internet poster would know more than a rocket scientist who has spoken directly to many of these people?

Woo is the road one takes when reading and thinking becomes too much of a bother. What you really ought to be upset about is these halfwits trying to dupe you into bolstering their fantasies for them so they may experience personal validation. Unless of course that is what you too seek.

Edited March 11, 2014 by psyche101

[psyche101]

Solar Plexus, would you be so kind as to CITE your claimed references. As Jim states, I know some of them are unsupported rubbish, but if you just post a list with not a single reference.. well, I'm sure something just went wrong as you embedded the links, right? If not, one would have to suspect you did that deliberately to avoid scrutiny... Tell me it isn't true!!

Just Google "Astronaut UFO sightings" and pick a woo site. Most of them plagiarise each other, so the same crap is pretty much all over the net. No secret where he got his information from, and it was not decades of study and experience like he derides Jim for having, it was a lazy half attempt at a Google with some copy and paste.