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[Merged] Flight MH370 to Beijing goes missing

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skookum

Would`nt the pilot had sent out a distress call for any reason for turning back? What happen to communication boxes that suddenly went dead at that moment ?

Admitted it is a long shot. But if I recall the Greek Airforce scrambled two fighters to get visual as they lost all communication. It happened slowly rather than a rapid decompression which caused the pilots and passengers to pass out and become too disorientated. The plane continued on Auto pilot until it hit a mountain they think the pilots were trying to lose altitude but passed out. Even speculation that the head steward who was a trainee pilot tried to take the controls and radio in a distress.

I have no idea whether this is feasible with the 777 as the Helios flight was a 737. It just maybe could answer why they lost communication. It could have been somebody else at the controls by then who couldn't operate the radio.

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docyabut2

Admitted it is a long shot. But if I recall the Greek Airforce scrambled two fighters to get visual as they lost all communication. It happened slowly rather than a rapid decompression which caused the pilots and passengers to pass out and become too disorientated. The plane continued on Auto pilot until it hit a mountain they think the pilots were trying to lose altitude but passed out. Even speculation that the head steward who was a trainee pilot tried to take the controls and radio in a distress.

I have no idea whether this is feasible with the 777 as the Helios flight was a 737. It just maybe could answer why they lost communication. It could have been somebody else at the controls by then who couldn't operate the radio.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said at a press conference that investigators now know that the airliner's communications devices were deliberately disabled.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/15/malaysia-airlines-search-heads-toward-indian-ocean/

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skookum

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said at a press conference that investigators now know that the airliner's communications devices were deliberately disabled.

http://www.foxnews.c...d-indian-ocean/

Yes but what does that mean. They were sabotaged or they were turned off by somebody? Here is a quote from the Helios investigation.

However, it was determined that a body found in the cockpit area was that of a male flight attendant[citation needed] and DNA testing revealed that the blood on the aircraft controls was that of flight attendant Andreas Prodromou, a pilot-in-training with approximately 260–270 hours of training completed. He tried to save the plane; he called "Mayday" five times, but the radio was still tuned to Larnaca, not Athens.[24] Autopsies on the crash victims showed that all were alive at the time of impact, but it could not be determined whether they were conscious as well. Prodromou was not originally scheduled to be on the flight; he joined the crew so he could spend time with his girlfriend, a fellow Helios flight attendant

Also happened with a Learjet that killed the golfer Payne Stewart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash

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Mario Lemieux

The flight path makes it impossible for rapid decompression to be a theory. Literally impossible. Stop talking about it. 0% chance. None. Zero.

This is crazy. Someone stole a plane.

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andy4

The flight path makes it impossible for rapid decompression to be a theory. Literally impossible. Stop talking about it. 0% chance. None. Zero.

This is crazy. Someone stole a plane.

No it doesn't, not at all in fact. There is probably still a 50% chance that that happened.

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Bavarian Raven
The flight path makes it impossible for rapid decompression to be a theory

How so? Was the plane not flying at 35,000 feet?

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skookum

The flight path makes it impossible for rapid decompression to be a theory. Literally impossible. Stop talking about it. 0% chance. None. Zero.

This is crazy. Someone stole a plane.

So somebody stole a Boeing 777, landed it avoiding radar and communications and that is more plausible than a structural fault that may or may not of been there according to safety notices.

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docyabut2

Some are saying it might have crash in the Himalayas, however wouldn't any country know if a plane invaded their air space?

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skookum

Some are saying it might have crash in the Himalayas, however wouldn't any country know if a plane invaded their air space?

I have heard somebody saying it has been sen flying through the Bermuda Triangle or been pulled up into a black hole vortex. I think looking at more known recorded explanations is best first.

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susieice

Some are saying it might have crash in the Himalayas, however wouldn't any country know if a plane invaded their air space?

Just imho, I think maybe we need to look at the part of the world this is happening in. There are countries in that area known to harbor terrorists that may not report an aircraft coming onto their radar screens, especially if this was as well planned as it seems to have been. Just anyone can't disable and fly that plane like it appears to have happened. It's also an area of dense high-tech surveillence. For example, the US is closely watching anything near North Korea and may be hesitant to reveal just what their capability is. How about that sat pic that came from China. Can their satellites really be that crappy? Probably not. Malaysia was very slow in releasing data and who knows what that reasoning was. What were those engineers on board working on and would someone want that information badly enough to act on it? Was the plane carrying something as cargo that made it a target?

So many factors beyond the plane itself that needs to be considered if in fact a hijacking occurred.

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keithisco

The flight path makes it impossible for rapid decompression to be a theory. Literally impossible. Stop talking about it. 0% chance. None. Zero.

This is crazy. Someone stole a plane.

Ludicrous statement. Rapid (or explosive) decompression will occur at *+20,000 feet and above. Below 20,000 feet you have a sustained decompression. The Warnings (audio and Visual) would have alerted the pilots immediately with any cabin pressure loss not able to be contained by the pressurisation systems on board. In fact the Pitot - Static sensors measuring absolute external pressures are also used in the algorhythm that determines whether Cabin Presure is correct.

Please stop making uninformed statements for which you have NO knowledge to reinforce. The Flight Path has absolutely NO bearing on what you are claiming. <_<

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Mario Lemieux

Ludicrous statement. Rapid (or explosive) decompression will occur at *+20,000 feet and above. Below 20,000 feet you have a sustained decompression. The Warnings (audio and Visual) would have alerted the pilots immediately with any cabin pressure loss not able to be contained by the pressurisation systems on board. In fact the Pitot - Static sensors measuring absolute external pressures are also used in the algorhythm that determines whether Cabin Presure is correct.

Please stop making uninformed statements for which you have NO knowledge to reinforce. The Flight Path has absolutely NO bearing on what you are claiming. <_<

Right so when they are all knocked out they can make deliberate maneuvers with the plane, which you know, we know they did. It would be different if the plane didn't go from point A to B to C to D. An unconscious pilot couldn't do that.

Reference that golfer's plane in 1999 on what happens when a plane just flies.

There are no reputable sources anywhere who say this is even a remote possibility. You're wrong.

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keithisco

Right so when they are all knocked out they can make deliberate maneuvers with the plane, which you know, we know they did. It would be different if the plane didn't go from point A to B to C to D. An unconscious pilot couldn't do that.

Reference that golfer's plane in 1999 on what happens when a plane just flies.

There are no reputable sources anywhere who say this is even a remote possibility. You're wrong.

I actually have no idea what you are saying here. I have never suggested the Pilots were "knocked out (wouldn't happen with rapid decompression anyway)

The point I am making is that there was NO rapid or explosive decompression because the aircraft would have ended up in the ocean and the EDB would have deployed - also the automatic warnings via the Avionics would have reported this immediately.

You are obviously uneducated in Aeronautic Safety - IF Rapid Decompression occurs what do you think happens? I will help you, Oxygen masks are deployed throughout the aircraft automatically. You place these over your mouth and nose to ensure that you have an adequate oxygen supply. An automatically generated "Squawk" is broadcast (in 737, 757, 777, 787, 320, 330, 340, 380 aircraft) to all receiving ATC's.

YOUR statement that the "Flight Path" makes this impossible is what I am addressing.. The "Flight Path" is irrelevant in terms of Rapid Decompression, the only salient point is the HEIGHT of the aircraft above sea level.

Do you even know that aircraft are pressurised to an equivalent of 8000 feet height (except for the 787)? NO? I didnt think so... Therefore decompression at 8000 feet cannot occur.

What is known is that autopilot was not engaged as it requires GPS (minimum) yet no "Pings" are recorded after 1 hour into the flight.

Please try to argue from professional knowledge, or at least an attempt to "Google" some knowledge...

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susieice

Tried to google what an air traffic controller's radar screen looks like and couldn't find one. If the transponder was turned off before the pilot signed off from Malaysian airspace, wouldn't the flight's identifying code under the blip be missing? Not sure how this works.

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Orcseeker

To all enquiring about the phones. The phone you are calling from has the signal go up to a satellite and then identifies where the phone was last seen and from there tries to find it. The ringing you are hearing is this process.

As for the Iranians on board. For those who are unaware there have actually been sanctions against Iran called on by the US. So for example Iranians in western universities were kicked out and deported. That being said, for an Iranian to travel internationally you'd assume a fake passport would be priority number one. If the Iranians didn't have a fake passport you could say they wouldn't have been there in the first place.

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Mario Lemieux

The point I am making is that there was NO rapid or explosive decompression because the aircraft would have ended up in the ocean

I never disagreed with that. We have the same stance, you are just high up on your Ivory Tower for some reason.

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Mario Lemieux

To all enquiring about the phones. The phone you are calling from has the signal go up to a satellite and then identifies where the phone was last seen and from there tries to find it. The ringing you are hearing is this process.

As for the Iranians on board. For those who are unaware there have actually been sanctions against Iran called on by the US. So for example Iranians in western universities were kicked out and deported. That being said, for an Iranian to travel internationally you'd assume a fake passport would be priority number one. If the Iranians didn't have a fake passport you could say they wouldn't have been there in the first place.

:huh:

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Mario Lemieux

http://www.heraldsun...o-1226617712490

Here is an example from my country, Australia. Just in case you thought the US weren't trying to force Iran into taking any action whatsoever.

Damn, that's pretty bad.

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docyabut2

Their saying now it had to be the pilot that took the plane off course, that if it were terrorists the people would have taken them over, but it was the mid night, they all could have been sleeping and the terrorists could have taken over the pilots, I sure the people would`nt know if the plane was off course. It hard to believe it was this pilot, a man with years of experience, a nice home, family and grand children, if he wanted to commit suicide he would have just crash the plane right there and then, why take it way out in the Indian ocean and the crash it, and why would `nt the other young pilot try and stopped him.. Some thing just not right here.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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jesspy

So somebody stole a Boeing 777, landed it avoiding radar and communications and that is more plausible than a structural fault that may or may not of been there according to safety notices.

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My belief it was a combination of factors. In a nutshell a terrorist attack gone wrong. The plane was hijacked or the pilot was the terrorist but the plane was flawed and broke apart. It is possible there could have been a bomb. If they had landed and they have the passengers as hostages we would have heard a ransom demand by now.

My friend suggests that there was a fire under the cockpit possibly that was intense enough to either take hold very quickly or due to the burning of plastics and other such material made the smoke toxic and killed the pilots. the fire may have also damaged the radio and transponders. A surviving passenger or flight attendant then tried to turn the plane around and it ditched. They think this would explain the guy on the oil rig who said he saw a plane or pieces of plane on fire falling into the ocean.

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Sheep Smart

MUFONS RESPONSE OFF CNN SITE: (not my words but can anything be ruled out as of now? No.)

Although authorities are baffled, the fact is that large aircraft cannot just disappear; or can they? Between black boxes, transponders, radar, debris fields, explosion and missile strike signatures, evidence is always left behind.

The one explanation that hasn’t been mentioned by mainstream media is that the plane and its passengers were possibly abducted by Extraterrestrials.

This truth has a long history:

1. December of 1945, five bombers from Fort Lauderdale took off and disappeared in clear weather. A large Martin Mariner was sent up to find flight 19. They disappeared also. Six planes and twenty seven crew “vanished”.

2. In 1953 General Benjamin Chidlaw said, “We have stacks of flying saucer reports. We take them very seriously when you consider how many men and planes we have lost trying to intercept them”.

3. On November 23 1953, an F-89C Scorpion jet was scrambled from Kinross AFB to intercept a UFO. On radar, the 2 merge and the jet and its 4 member crew vanish.

The US military monitors everything using sonar, radar and satellites. I’m certain our satellites observed what really happened but that’s a truth that can’t be revealed.

Continued article :Link: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1103807?fb_action_ids=10151947543222441&fb_action_types=cnn-social%3Aupload&fb_ref=og_ireport&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B597527040341047%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22cnn-social%3Aupload%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22og_ireport%22%5D

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Arkitecht

Freescale employee's were the target.Not killed.Kidnapped. Needed for cloaking tech they were capable of making.They were the reason it was not shot down.As for the other's: Unknown. Target was captured.All military would want this tech.

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Sheep Smart

Freescale employee's were the target.Not killed.Kidnapped. Needed for cloaking tech they were capable of making.They were the reason it was not shot down.As for the other's: Unknown. Target was captured.All military would want this tech.

Can you elaborate on this, just want to understand better.

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