Allah's Missile Defense System

[eight bits]

Phaeton

To state Muslims 'grovel in the dirt' while referring to their prostration habits in prayer, is an extremely derogatory, disrespectful remark aimed at a whole religious congregation.

A "congregation" is a group of people, not a behavior. My remark could not be more directly focused on the behavior of which I expressed disapproval - vividly, I hope. If I had said something about the congregation apart from its behavior, then you might have a point.

We have a nearby thread about another "whole religions congregation," the Westboro Baptist Church and some of its members' prayer behavior, picketing funerals. I find this behavior to be grotesque. Let me guess, that's a racist remark, too, derogatory and disrespectful of that whole religious congregation.

But, as before, I have said not a word about any people who are Westboro Baptists, apart from characterizing a voluntary behavior in a way that they might find offensive. One can only hope.

I do not share another poster's sentiment that Islam is Westboro (except for numbers). I do, however, observe that they are both, in fact, "religious congregations." If the chosen prayer behavior of Muslims is exempt from vivid criticism, then the chosen prayer behavior of Westboro Baptist is exempt from vivid criticism, too.

Edited August 24, 2014 by eight bits

[Davros of Skaro]

Going by the mentality of some people here, the Quran is very racist towards nonbelievers.

Quran 22:19

Sahih International: These are two adversaries who have disputed over their Lord. But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water

Pickthall: These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads,

Yusuf Ali: These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water.

Shakir: These are two adversaries who dispute about their Lord; then (as to) those who disbelieve, for them are cut out garments of fire, boiling water shall be poured over their heads.

Muhammad Sarwar: (Those who prostrate themselves before God and those who do not) are two groups who dispute with each other about their Lord. For the unbelievers the garment of fire has already been prepared. Boiling water will be poured upon their heads.

Mohsin Khan: These two opponents (believers and disbelievers) dispute with each other about their Lord; then as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling water will be poured down over their heads.

Arberry: These are two disputants who have disputed concerning their Lord. As for the unbelievers, for them garments of fire shall, be cut, and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water

22:20

Sahih International: By which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins.

Pickthall: Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted;

Yusuf Ali: With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins.

Shakir: With it shall be melted what is in their bellies and (their) skins as well.

Muhammad Sarwar: It will melt their skins and all that is in their bellies.

Mohsin Khan: With it will melt or vanish away what is within their bellies, as well as (their) skins.

Arberry: whereby whatsoever is in their bellies and their skins shall be melted;

20:21

Sahih International: And for [striking] them are maces of iron.

Pickthall: And for them are hooked rods of iron.

Yusuf Ali: In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them.

Shakir: And for them are whips of iron.

Muhammad Sarwar: They will be subdued by iron rods.

Mohsin Khan: And for them are hooked rods of iron (to punish them).

22:22

Sahih International: Every time they want to get out of Hellfire from anguish, they will be returned to it, and [it will be said], "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire!"

Pickthall: Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning.

Yusuf Ali: Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"

Shakir: Whenever they will desire to go forth from it, from grief, they shall be turned back into it, and taste the chastisement of burning.

Muhammad Sarwar: Whenever in anguish they will try to come out of hell they will be returned therein to suffer the burning torment.

Mohsin Khan: Every time they seek to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be driven back therein, and (it will be) said to them: "Taste the torment of burning!"

Arberry: as often as they desire in their anguish to come forth from it, they shall be restored into it, and: 'Taste the chastisement of the burning!'

22:23

Sahih International: Indeed, Allah will admit those who believe and do righteous deeds to gardens beneath which rivers flow. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and pearl, and their garments therein will be silk.

Pickthall: Lo! Allah will cause those who believe and do good works to enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will be allowed armlets of gold, and pearls, and their raiment therein will be silk.

Yusuf Ali: Allah will admit those who believe and work righteous deeds, to Gardens beneath which rivers flow: they shall be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and pearls; and their garments there will be of silk.

Shakir: Surely Allah will make those who believe and do good deeds enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; they shall be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and (with) pearls, and their garments therein shall be of silk.

Muhammad Sarwar: God will admit the righteously striving believers to the gardens wherein streams flow. There they will be decked with gold bracelets, pearls, and garments of silk,

Mohsin Khan: Truly, Allah will admit those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, to Gardens underneath which rivers flow (in Paradise), wherein they will be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls and their garments therein will be of silk.

Arberry: God shall surely admit those who believe and do righteous deeds into gardens underneath which rivers flow; therein they shall be adorned with bracelets of gold and with pearls, and their apparel there shall be of silk;

22:24

Sahih International: And they had been guided [in worldly life] to good speech, and they were guided to the path of the Praiseworthy.

Pickthall: They are guided unto gentle speech; they are guided unto the path of the Glorious One.

Yusuf Ali: For they have been guided (in this life) to the purest of speeches; they have been guided to the Path of Him Who is Worthy of (all) Praise.

Shakir: And they are guided to goodly words and they are guided into the path of the Praised One.

Muhammad Sarwar: for they were guided to speak the noblest words and follow the praiseworthy path.

Mohsin Khan: And they are guided (in this world) unto goodly speech (i.e. La ilaha ill-Allah, Alhamdu lillah, recitation of the Quran, etc.) and they are guided to the Path of Him (i.e. Allah's Religion of Islamic Monotheism), Who is Worthy of all praises.

Arberry: and they; shall be guided unto goodly speech, and they shall be guided unto the path of the All-laudable.

22:25

Sahih International: Indeed, those who have disbelieved and avert [people] from the way of Allah and [from] al-Masjid al-haram, which We made for the people - equal are the resident therein and one from outside; and [also] whoever intends [a deed] therein of deviation [in religion] or wrongdoing - We will make him taste of a painful punishment.

Pickthall: Lo! those who disbelieve and bar (men) from the way of Allah and from the Inviolable Place of Worship, which We have appointed for mankind together, the dweller therein and the nomad: whosoever seeketh wrongful partiality therein, him We shall cause to taste a painful doom.

Yusuf Ali: As to those who have rejected (Allah), and would keep back (men) from the Way of Allah, and from the Sacred Mosque, which We have made (open) to (all) men - equal is the dweller there and the visitor from the country - and any whose purpose therein is profanity or wrong-doing - them will We cause to taste of a most Grievous Penalty.

Shakir: Surely (as for) those who disbelieve, and hinder (men) from Allah's way and from the Sacred Mosque which We have made equally for all men, (for) the dweller therein and (for) the visitor, and whoever shall incline therein to wrong unjustly, We will make him taste of a painful chastisement.

Muhammad Sarwar: A painful torment awaits the pagans who create obstacles in the way that leads to God and the Sacred Mosque - which We have made for those who dwell nearby and foreigners alike - and those who commit evil and injustice therein.

Mohsin Khan: Verily! Those who disbelieve and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah, and from Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) which We have made (open) to (all) men, the dweller in it and the visitor from the country are equal there [as regards its sanctity and pilgrimage (Hajj and 'Umrah)]. And whoever inclines to evil actions therein or to do wrong (i.e. practise polytheism and leave Islamic Monotheism), him We shall cause to taste a painful torment.

Arberry: Those who disbelieve, and bar from God's way and the Holy Mosque that We have appointed equal unto men, alike him who cleaves to it and the tent-dweller, and whosoever purposes to violate it wrongly, We shall let him taste a painful chastisement.

Quran 98:6

Sahih International: Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.

Pickthall: Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.

Yusuf Ali: Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.

Shakir: Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.

Muhammad Sarwar: The disbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans will dwell forever in hell; they are the worst of all creatures.

Mohsin Khan: Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.

Arberry: The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolaters shall be in the Fire of Gehenna, therein dwelling forever; those are the worst of creatures.

98:7

Sahih International: Indeed, they who have believed and done righteous deeds - those are the best of creatures.

Pickthall: (And) lo! those who believe and do good works are the best of created beings.

Yusuf Ali: Those who have faith and do righteous deeds,- they are the best of creatures.

Shakir: (As for) those who believe and do good, surely they are the -best of men.

Muhammad Sarwar: The righteously striving believers are the best of all creatures.

Mohsin Khan: Verily, those who believe [in the Oneness of Allah, and in His Messenger Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) including all obligations ordered by Islam] and do righteous good deeds, they are the best of creatures.

Arberry: But those who believe, and do righteous deeds, those are the best of creatures;

98:8

Sahih International: Their reward with Allah will be gardens of perpetual residence beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever, Allah being pleased with them and they with Him. That is for whoever has feared his Lord.

Pickthall: Their reward is with their Lord: Gardens of Eden underneath which rivers flow, wherein they dwell for ever. Allah hath pleasure in them and they have pleasure in Him. This is (in store) for him who feareth his Lord.

Yusuf Ali: Their reward is with Allah: Gardens of Eternity, beneath which rivers flow; they will dwell therein for ever; Allah well pleased with them, and they with Him: all this for such as fear their Lord and Cherisher.

Shakir: Their reward with their Lord is gardens of perpetuity beneath which rivers flow, abiding therein for ever; Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him; that is for him who fears his Lord.

Muhammad Sarwar: Their reward from their Lord will be the gardens of Eden wherein streams flow and wherein they will live forever. God will be pleased with them and they will be pleased with Him. This (reward) is for those who fear their Lord.

Mohsin Khan: Their reward with their Lord is 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (Gardens of Eternity), underneath which rivers flow, they will abide therein forever, Allah Well-Pleased with them, and they with Him. That is for him who fears his Lord.

Arberry: their recompense is with their Lord-Gardens of Eden, underneath which rivers flow, therein dwelling for ever and ever. God is well-pleased with them, and they are well-pleased with Him; that is for him who fears his Lord.

[Davros of Skaro]

Once again science proves Quran correct.

[XenoFish]

How much more of that type of nonsense will I have to watch? It's all confirmation bias. Like attributing natural disasters to the wraith of god or whatever.

[Opus Magnus]

Once again science proves Quran correct.

It talks about ants in the bible too and it calls them, "Wise."

[eight bits]

It talks about ants in the bible too and it calls them, "Wise."

In the Bible, Solomon talks about ants (Proverbs 6: 6-8; 30: 24-25), while in the Koran, ants talk about Solomon (see the video davros posted).

Allah has a sense of humor.

[Davros of Skaro]

How much more of that type of nonsense will I have to watch? It's all confirmation bias. Like attributing natural disasters to the wraith of god or whatever.

How Atheists think

[XenoFish]

I counter you and raise you one Picard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMyLGxoorBU

[Davros of Skaro]

Quran 7:64

Sahih International: But they denied him, so We saved him and those who were with him in the ship. And We drowned those who denied Our signs. Indeed, they were a blind people.

Pickthall: But they denied him, so We saved him and those with him in the ship, and We drowned those who denied Our tokens. Lo! they were blind folk.

Yusuf Ali: But they rejected him, and We delivered him, and those with him, in the Ark: but We overwhelmed in the flood those who rejected Our signs. They were indeed a blind people!

Shakir: But they called him a liar, so We delivered him and those with him in the ark, and We drowned those who rejected Our communications; surely they were a blind people.

Muhammad Sarwar: They accused him of telling lies. So We saved him and his companions in an ark and drowned those who called Our revelations mere lies. They were, no doubt, a blind people.

Mohsin Khan: But they belied him, so We saved him and those along with him in the ship, and We drowned those who belied Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.). They were indeed a blind people.

Arberry: But they cried him lies; so We delivered him, and those with him, in the Ark, and We drowned those who cried lies to Our signs; assuredly they were a blind people.

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=7&verse=64

Quran 10:73

Sahih International: And they denied him, so We saved him and those with him in the ship and made them successors, and We drowned those who denied Our signs. Then see how was the end of those who were warned.

Pickthall: But they denied him, so We saved him and those with him in the ship, and made them viceroys (in the earth), while We drowned those who denied Our revelations. See then the nature of the consequence for those who had been warned.

Yusuf Ali: They rejected Him, but We delivered him, and those with him, in the Ark, and We made them inherit (the earth), while We overwhelmed in the flood those who rejected Our Signs. Then see what was the end of those who were warned (but heeded not)!

Shakir: But they rejected him, so We delivered him and those with him in the ark, and We made them rulers and drowned those who rejected Our communications; see then what was the end of the (people) warned.

Muhammad Sarwar: They rejected Noah. Then We saved him and his people in the Ark to make them the successors of the rest. The others, who had called Our revelations lies, were drowned. Consider the fate of those who (rejected) Our warnings!

Mohsin Khan: They denied him, but We delivered him, and those with him in the ship, and We made them generations replacing one after another, while We drowned those who belied Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.). Then see what was the end of those who were warned.

Arberry: But they cried him lies; so We delivered him, and those with him, in the Ark, and We appointed them as viceroys, and We drowned those who cried lies to Our signs; then behold how was the end of them that were warned!

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=10&verse=73

Quran 11:37

Sahih International: And construct the ship under Our observation and Our inspiration and do not address Me concerning those who have wronged; indeed, they are [to be] drowned."

Pickthall: Build the ship under Our eyes and by Our inspiration, and speak not unto Me on behalf of those who do wrong. Lo! they will be drowned.

Yusuf Ali: "But construct an Ark under Our eyes and Our inspiration, and address Me no (further) on behalf of those who are in sin: for they are about to be overwhelmed (in the Flood)."

Shakir: And make the ark before Our eyes and (according to) Our revelation, and do not speak to Me in respect of those who are unjust; surely they shall be drowned.

Muhammad Sarwar: but to build the Ark under the supervision and guidance of his Lord. He was also told not to address any words to Him concerning the unjust for they were all to be drowned.

Mohsin Khan: "And construct the ship under Our Eyes and with Our Inspiration, and address Me not on behalf of those who did wrong; they are surely to be drowned."

Arberry: Make thou the Ark under Our eyes, and as We reveal; and address Me not concerning those who have done evil; they shall be drowned.'

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=11&verse=37

Quran 11:40

Sahih International: [so it was], until when Our command came and the oven overflowed, We said, "Load upon the ship of each [creature] two mates and your family, except those about whom the word has preceded, and [include] whoever has believed." But none had believed with him, except a few.

Pickthall: (Thus it was) till, when Our commandment came to pass and the oven gushed forth water, We said: Load therein two of every kind, a pair (the male and female), and thy household, save him against whom the word hath gone forth already, and those who believe. And but a few were they who believed with him.

Yusuf Ali: At length, behold! there came Our command, and the fountains of the earth gushed forth! We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two, male and female, and your family - except those against whom the word has already gone forth,- and the Believers." but only a few believed with him.

Shakir: Until when Our command came and water came forth from the valley, We said: Carry in it two of all things, a pair, and your own family-- except those against whom the word has already gone forth, and those who believe. And there believed not with him but a few.

Muhammad Sarwar: When at last Our decree was fulfilled, water gushed forth from the Oven (in Noah's house). We told him to carry in the Ark a pair (male and female) from every species, his family - except those who were destined to perish - and the believers. No one believed in him, except a few.

Mohsin Khan: (So it was) till then there came Our Command and the oven gushed forth (water like fountains from the earth). We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two (male and female), and your family, except him against whom the Word has already gone forth, and those who believe. And none believed with him, except a few."

Arberry: Until, when Our command came, and the Oven boiled, We said, 'Embark in it two of every kind, and thy family -- except for him against whom the word has already been spoken and whosoever believes.' And there believed not with him except a few.

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=11&verse=40

Quran 11:44

Sahih International: And it was said, "O earth, swallow your water, and O sky, withhold [your rain]." And the water subsided, and the matter was accomplished, and the ship came to rest on the [mountain of] Judiyy. And it was said, "Away with the wrongdoing people."

Pickthall: And it was said: O earth! Swallow thy water and, O sky! be cleared of clouds! And the water was made to subside. And the commandment was fulfilled. And it (the ship) came to rest upon (the mount) Al-Judi and it was said: A far removal for wrongdoing folk!

Yusuf Ali: Then the word went forth: "O earth! swallow up thy water, and O sky! Withhold (thy rain)!" and the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: "Away with those who do wrong!"

Shakir: And it was said: O earth, swallow down your water, and O cloud, clear away; and the water was made to abate and the affair was decided, and the ark rested on the Judi, and it was said: Away with the unjust people.

Muhammad Sarwar: Then the earth was told to swallow-up its water and the sky was ordered to stop raining. The water abated and God's command had been fulfilled. The Ark came to rest on Mount Judi. A voice said, "The unjust people are far away from the mercy of God."

Mohsin Khan: And it was said: "O earth! Swallow up your water, and O sky! Withhold (your rain)." And the water was diminished (made to subside) and the Decree (of Allah) was fulfilled (i.e. the destruction of the people of Nuh (Noah). And it (the ship) rested on Mount Judi, and it was said: "Away with the people who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doing)!"

Arberry: And it was said, 'Earth, swallow thy waters; and, heaven, abate!' And the waters subsided, the affair was accomplished, and the Ark settled on El-Judi, and it was said: 'Away with the people of the evildoers!'

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=11&verse=44

Quran 71:26

Sahih International: And Noah said, "My Lord, do not leave upon the earth from among the disbelievers an inhabitant.

Pickthall: And Noah said: My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers in the land.

Yusuf Ali: And Noah, said: "O my Lord! Leave not of the Unbelievers, a single one on earth!

Shakir: And Nuh said: My Lord! leave not upon the land any dweller from among the unbelievers:

Muhammad Sarwar: Noah said, "Lord, do not leave a single disbeliever on earth;

Mohsin Khan: And Nuh (Noah) said: "My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers on the earth!

Arberry: And Noah said, 'My Lord, leave not upon the earth of the unbelievers even one.

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=71&verse=26

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LjGFgu_Y708

[Grandpa Greenman]

I counter you and raise you one Picard.

https://www.youtube....h?v=qMyLGxoorBU

I have been a Trekie from the first airing of the first Trek. When I think about, it my moral base comes not from a religion, but from Star Trek. Beam me up Scotty, no intelligent life down here.

[Davros of Skaro]

I have been a Trekie from the first airing of the first Trek. When I think about, it my moral base comes not from a religion, but from Star Trek. Beam me up Scotty, no intelligent life down here.

At least the federation did not say it was ok to have Orion slave girls.

[sslama]

We must understand, in any religion, that many passages are poetic ways to talk. You cannot take all of it literally. For example. In the Qur'an it says 'God has a face'....but God cannot be likened to a human being and does not have a body. 'There is nothing like Him' (Qur'an 42:11). Certain passages cannot be taken literally. Only certain people are able to interpret. And for those not qualified they are encouraged to follow the example of an eminent scholar or marja al-taqlid. Just like other religions....Many prefer to understand their holybooks in literal ways and many do not. Many want to look at their holy books in two ways and interpret and express anew in ways that are directly relevant to the times.

[eight bits]

sslama

And for those not qualified they are encouraged to follow the example of an eminent scholar or marja al-taqlid.

They who are not qualified are encoraged by whom?

If someone is not qualified to read the book, then how is she qualified qualified to identify an "emnient scholar"? Do Sunni Muslims accept the advice of a marja al-taqlid?

[Davros of Skaro]

We must understand, in any religion, that many passages are poetic ways to talk. You cannot take all of it literally. For example. In the Qur'an it says 'God has a face'....but God cannot be likened to a human being and does not have a body. 'There is nothing like Him' (Qur'an 42:11). Certain passages cannot be taken literally. Only certain people are able to interpret. And for those not qualified they are encouraged to follow the example of an eminent scholar or marja al-taqlid. Just like other religions....Many prefer to understand their holybooks in literal ways and many do not. Many want to look at their holy books in two ways and interpret and express anew in ways that are directly relevant to the times.

How about a few people making stuff up and the gullible believe in great numbers?

[XenoFish]

That's a problem isn't it. All scriptures are like someone dumped a bunch of mismatching puzzle pieces in one box. You can never get the right picture. You'd think that we'd have been given a basic instruction manual. Something with easy to understand rules and regulation pertaining to balanced human rights. With what we could expect to happen to our bodies/minds as we age. Instead we have books that are basically just a bunch of mixed styles. Some metaphors, other literal, fantasy, toss in some sci-fi, hello scripture.

Edited August 28, 2014 by XenoFish

[Opus Magnus]

That's a problem isn't it. All scriptures are like someone dumped a bunch of mismatching puzzle pieces in one box. You can never get the right picture. You'd think that we'd have been given a basic instruction manual. Something with easy to understand rules and regulation pertaining to balanced human rights. With what we could expect to happen to our bodies/minds as we age. Instead we have books that are basically just a bunch of mixed styles. Some metaphors, other literal, fantasy, toss in some sci-fi, hello scripture.

I have seen it as a river that flows through the text and you must align the text right so the river can flow smoothly through the right way..

[XenoFish]

If you have to align it then the flow is not natural. If it's not natural then what good is it?

[Opus Magnus]

Well, it's like they are all out of place and the different parts of the bible have to be aligned right in your mind to let the river flow through them. So it's like placing the earth in the right place so it works right. The river is there and naturally forms, but it needs reproval to actually move the right directions or else it will dam up. It just needs to be fixed.

[XenoFish]

It just needs to be fixed.

Yes, yes it does.

[Davros of Skaro]

I have seen it as a river that flows through the text and you must align the text right so the river can flow smoothly through the right way..

It's the Dopamine that flows like a river in your Brain that's making sense of things that make no sense otherwise.

Look at this text not of your faith.

Quran 71:15

Sahih International: Do you not consider how Allah has created seven heavens in layers

Pickthall: See ye not how Allah hath created seven heavens in harmony,

Yusuf Ali: "'See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another,

Shakir: Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens, one above another,

Muhammad Sarwar: "Have you not seen that God has created the seven heavens one above the other

Mohsin Khan: See you not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another,

Arberry: Have you not regarded how God created seven heavens one upon another,

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=71&verse=15

The Seven Heavens are the Seven Classical Planets of antiquity.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_planet

Just like addicts of drugs, and gambling, people are chasing a Dopamine high associated with reward programing in our Brain's.It's just that drugs are an instant reward, gambling is a maybe reward, and Religion is "I better follow this Book" for a final reward.

[+Link of Hyrule]

To borrow an analogy from recent posts, perhaps it's not that the puzzle pieces are mismatched, but rather that we just need to search a little too find a picture of what the completed image is supposed to look like, and once we have that the process is pretty straight forward, except for those who haven't got the image and still argue what the picture is supposed to be? ??

[Phaeton80]

The Seven Heavens are the Seven Classical Planets of antiquity.

http://en.m.wikipedi...lassical_planet

lol.

I wonder if you actually believe what you say.

[Davros of Skaro]

lol.

I wonder if you actually believe what you say.

Enlighten us on what does Quran 71:15 mean.

LOL!

Quran 67:3

Sahih International: [And] who created seven heavens in layers. You do not see in the creation of the Most Merciful any inconsistency. So return [your] vision [to the sky]; do you see any breaks?

Pickthall: Who hath created seven heavens in harmony. Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in the Beneficent One's creation; then look again: Canst thou see any rifts?

Yusuf Ali: He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (Allah) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw?

Shakir: Who created the seven heavens one above another; you see no incongruity in the creation of the Beneficent Allah; then look again, can you see any disorder?

Muhammad Sarwar: It is He who has created seven heavens, one above the other. You can see no flaw in the creation of the Beneficent God. Look again. Can you see faults?

Mohsin Khan: Who has created the seven heavens one above another, you can see no fault in the creations of the Most Beneficent. Then look again: "Can you see any rifts?"

Arberry: who created seven heavens one upon another. Thou seest not in the creation of the All-merciful any imperfection. Return thy gaze; seest thou any fissure?

67:4

Sahih International: Then return [your] vision twice again. [Your] vision will return to you humbled while it is fatigued.

Pickthall: Then look again and yet again, thy sight will return unto thee weakened and made dim.

Yusuf Ali: Again turn thy vision a second time: (thy) vision will come back to thee dull and discomfited, in a state worn out.

Shakir: Then turn back the eye again and again; your look shall come back to you confused while it is fatigued.

Muhammad Sarwar: Look twice (and keep on looking), your eyes will only become dull and tired.

Mohsin Khan: Then look again and yet again, your sight will return to you in a state of humiliation and worn out.

Arberry: Then return thy gaze again, and again, and thy gaze comes back to thee dazzled, aweary.

67:5

Sahih International: And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made [from] them what is thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze.

Pickthall: And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.

Yusuf Ali: And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.

Shakir: And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning.

Muhammad Sarwar: We have decked the lowest heavens with torches. With these torches We have stoned the devils and We have prepared for them the torment of hell.

Mohsin Khan: And indeed We have adorned the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made such lamps (as) missiles to drive away the Shayatin (devils), and have prepared for them the torment of the blazing Fire.

Arberry: And We adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and made them things to stone Satans; and We have prepared for them the chastisement of the Blaze.

67:6

Sahih International: And for those who disbelieved in their Lord is the punishment of Hell, and wretched is the destination.

Pickthall: And for those who disbelieve in their Lord there is the doom of hell, a hapless journey's end!

Yusuf Ali: For those who reject their Lord (and Cherisher) is the Penalty of Hell: and evil is (such), Destination.

Shakir: And for those who disbelieve in their Lord is the punishment of hell, and evil is the resort.

Muhammad Sarwar: For those who have disbelieved in their Lord, We have prepared the torment of hell, the most terrible place to return.

Mohsin Khan: And for those who disbelieve in their Lord (Allah) is the torment of Hell, and worst indeed is that destination.

Arberry: And for those who disbelieve in their Lord there awaits the chastisement of Gehenna -- an evil homecoming!

Man you are so lucky! By believing in these fairy tales.You get to marry four Horse faced, Cow bodied women and have them turn into super Models when you enter Paradise.Also you get to have all the finest trade goods of the 6th century except a magical spell is cast on them just like your wives.

I envy you...NOT!

Edited August 29, 2014 by davros of skaro

[Davros of Skaro]

To borrow an analogy from recent posts, perhaps it's not that the puzzle pieces are mismatched, but rather that we just need to search a little too find a picture of what the completed image is supposed to look like, and once we have that the process is pretty straight forward, except for those who haven't got the image and still argue what the picture is supposed to be? ??

As you know, being mindful of the spirit helps us see things more clear.

[Bhamdude]

Ok let me just clarify one thing....

Muslims believe jinns are made of smokeless fire

They have free will as we do

Families and lives

They can see us on our level of existance, we can only see them if they wish for us to see them.

There are good and evil jinns out there..

They have the power to possess humans

They exist on another plain of existance

Oh and they apparently can teleport from location to location

Angels have no free will

Satan was a jinn and his pride got the better of him when he refused to bow to adam

As he felt jinns were superior to adam.

Now why would god design missiles to keep jinns away??

If your a god fearing person his power is absolute, am sure he doesnt send faxes emails or memos to angels

Which can then apparently be intercepted by jinn

Im muslim and this is the first time iv heard of a celestisl patriot missile system