Still Waters Posted March 24, 2014 #1 Share Posted March 24, 2014 A comprehensive school where native English speakers are in a minority is to start teaching English as a foreign language to all of its pupils. Teachers at City of Leeds School, a multi-ethnic secondary plan to teach English as a second language even to its British-born pupils in a radical attempt to improve standards at the 314-pupil secondary judged to 'require improvement' by Ofsted. http://www.telegraph...l-in-Leeds.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissJatti Posted March 24, 2014 #2 Share Posted March 24, 2014 SO.... in an average class in this school has at least 5 different teachers, 1 for english 1 for urdu 1 for polish 1 for cantonese and 1 for hmmm jimmycar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud the mackem Posted March 24, 2014 #3 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I have to point out that "Yorkshire" English is nothing like the Queens English,spoken by the minority of Brits. How can you say that "Eeh baa gum lad put wood int'ole will thou"has any bearing on :- translation.."Would you please close the door"..I understand English but don't speak it as I speak Mackem.(A free course can be arranged) heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted March 24, 2014 #4 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Ahh Leeds, thats why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted March 24, 2014 #5 Share Posted March 24, 2014 There are schools in London where the teachers have to deal with 20+ different languages. Your paying for this out of your taxes. It is all part of the wonderful benefits of multiculturalism and diversity, along with the re-introduction of Tuberculosis and Malaria. Happy Days 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted March 24, 2014 #6 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Wait ... a school where English is in the minority is treating the learning of English as a specialist subject? Why the hell is this a problem? You see, when you teach "English" you're actually teaching the form and function of a language that is already known, it's assumed that you've been speaking it for years and you've been exposed to it for years more and so forth. It's basically "explaining the rules you already know". However, teaching a language that is new to you requires an entirely different form of scaffolding and support and teaching style. First of all you have to go back to basics and literally build a word bank (you know how you talk to babies, "look Timmy a horse, can you say horse?" that's what you have to do when teaching a secondary language). And "English lesson" is about the way the language operates. A lesson that teaches English is about what the language is. Can you see the difference and why exactly a school might think both is important? I've taught kids who have English as a second language (and more then one who was learning English as we were teaching). English lessons are virtually pointless for them, as they don't have a functional grasp of the language yet (I'm not talking about a grasp of the idiomatic English either, ie them not being able to grasp the quirks of how Australians use the language) they were lost when we started talking about "verbs" and "adverbs" and "narrative texts". they were still at the ""C" can "see" or "kuh"" stage of language. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbenol Posted March 25, 2014 #7 Share Posted March 25, 2014 The English kids in the class will probably have the most to learn. Especially in Leeds. Every language is a foreign one there. They tend to communicate with grunts - and punches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 25, 2014 #8 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Wow... Britain doesn't sound remotely like the place I grew up thinking I knew about. Is it really that bad? It sounds like the country is committing cultural suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted March 25, 2014 #9 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) Wow... Britain doesn't sound remotely like the place I grew up thinking I knew about. Is it really that bad? It sounds like the country is committing cultural suicide. More like a rebirth than suicide. Edit: Didn't the sun never set on the Empire? You make your bed and you lay in it. Edited March 25, 2014 by Likely Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted March 25, 2014 #10 Share Posted March 25, 2014 More like a rebirth than suicide. Edit: Didn't the sun never set on the Empire? You make your bed and you lay in it. I always considered the rebirth to have been the creation of the Commonwealth of Nations, on which the "sun never sets" (it is daylight on at least one member nation at any time of day). The "suicide" (for the unique and diverse UK Culture) was the deliberate opening of the floodgates to unrestricted immigration back in the 1960's - and it continues today according to the Office of National Statistics. IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud the mackem Posted March 25, 2014 #11 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Wow... Britain doesn't sound remotely like the place I grew up thinking I knew about. Is it really that bad? It sounds like the country is committing cultural suicide. Everywhere you go these days has foreign people working in the shops,they are ok, but when you consider that we have 2 and a 1/2 million Brits out of work,it makes you wonder whether these people are working on half pay.We now have 7 city's that have more foreign people than original English and its growing by the day especially in the big city's.I guess Britain isn't English anymore.I was born here but in certain places I feel as though I'm in a foreign country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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