Conservatives vs Liberals

[Gromdor]

According to Gallop 98% of Conservatives believe in God but 90% of Liberals also believe in God. The one thing I noticed is that conservatives tend to think that they have a monopoly on and speak for God. Especially in their legislation. I don't think that it was a coincidence that it was #1 on Socio's list.

[F3SS]

That's one of the ones I'm not fully on board with.

[BlackBearWolf]

Two questions for the conservatives then two for liberals.

First the conservatives.

1. Why is the republican party mostly white males in the bible belt?

2. Why is there a push for less government regulation but a huge push for social control (drug laws, homosexual rights)

Your turn liberals

1. why do you think expanding the government and raising taxes is the best solution?

2. How is affirmative action not racist?

[Gummug]

As a mostly conservative guy I feel like the conservative descriptions were spot on. I also believe the liberal descriptions were too. Why don't you two angry fellas take each of the liberal descriptions and dispute them?

I'm guessing this challenge...if I may call it that...is going to be totally ignored...

[F3SS]

Two questions for the conservatives then two for liberals.

First the conservatives.

1. Why is the republican party mostly white males in the bible belt?

2. Why is there a push for less government regulation but a huge push for social control (drug laws, homosexual rights)

1. ???

2. Goodness, because enough's enough. I fall center on those things.

I identify with a lot of conservative values, not all.

[Myles]

Two questions for the conservatives then two for liberals.

First the conservatives.

1. Why is the republican party mostly white males in the bible belt?

2. Why is there a push for less government regulation but a huge push for social control (drug laws, homosexual rights)

Your turn liberals

1. why do you think expanding the government and raising taxes is the best solution?

2. How is affirmative action not racist?

My opinions:

Conservitives

1 - Mostly white males is because the democratic party caters to minorities and women. So naturally a large percentage of thos groups will migrate towards that group.

2- That is a good question. i don't think that any party thinks there should be zero regulations. Of course the question you asked could be turned around - Why is there a push for more government regulation but a huge push for less social control (drug laws, homosexual rights)

Liberals

1 - More government control and higher taxes ensures the government jobs and power.

2 - I don't think affermative action can be not racist. If a sports talk radio station has 4 white hosts who do a good job, it IS racist to force them to hire a black man and fire one of the white guys. Of course that is if all talent is equal. To be forced to hire one race because of his race is the definition of being racist. However, being forced to interview another race might be OK.

[Gummug]

Two questions for the conservatives then two for liberals.

First the conservatives.

1. Why is the republican party mostly white males in the bible belt?

2. Why is there a push for less government regulation but a huge push for social control (drug laws, homosexual rights)

Your turn liberals

1. why do you think expanding the government and raising taxes is the best solution?

2. How is affirmative action not racist?

I think the last three questions were handled more than adequately by Myles, but to add my slant to the first (which I think was already stated) is although the liberals tout themselves as being tolerant, especially toward minorities, imo they're really intolerant. See how quickly imo they'll label a hard working black man, especially if he has conservative values, as an "Uncle Tom". Imo, that's not tolerant...also, they have (somewhat successfully) convinced the blacks (wrongly imo) that Republicans are racist. I think someone said "liberals are very tolerant...as long you agree with them". One only has to listen to Bill Maher to know this is true. Admittedly, some conservatives are somewhat like that too, but imo, liberals are worse (just my opinion).

[BlackBearWolf]

My opinions:

Conservitives

1 - Mostly white males is because the democratic party caters to minorities and women. So naturally a large percentage of thos groups will migrate towards that group.

2- That is a good question. i don't think that any party thinks there should be zero regulations. Of course the question you asked could be turned around - Why is there a push for more government regulation but a huge push for less social control (drug laws, homosexual rights)

Liberals

1 - More government control and higher taxes ensures the government jobs and power.

2 - I don't think affermative action can be not racist. If a sports talk radio station has 4 white hosts who do a good job, it IS racist to force them to hire a black man and fire one of the white guys. Of course that is if all talent is equal. To be forced to hire one race because of his race is the definition of being racist. However, being forced to interview another race might be OK.

Thanks for your honest answers Myles. I propose a few more questions open to anyone based off your answers.

1. What is it about the democrats that minorities and women seem drawn to?

2. Would you agree that the social regulations that republicans favor (drug laws, prostituion, gambling, homesexual marriage) all come from deep seated belief in the bibles and the laws in it?

3. What are the intentions of the government power grabs you describe coming from liberals. As in. what is the end game for them? Example a Communist society where wealth is distrubuted evenly?

4. I agree affirmitive action is racist

Edited May 9, 2014 by BlackBearWolf

[BlackBearWolf]

I think the last three questions were handled more than adequately by Myles, but to add my slant to the first (which I think was already stated) is although the liberals tout themselves as being tolerant, especially toward minorities, imo they're really intolerant. See how quickly imo they'll label a hard working black man, especially if he has conservative values, as an "Uncle Tom". Imo, that's not tolerant...also, they have (somewhat successfully) convinced the blacks (wrongly imo) that Republicans are racist. I think someone said "liberals are very tolerant...as long you agree with them". One only has to listen to Bill Maher to know this is true. Admittedly, some conservatives are somewhat like that too, but imo, liberals are worse (just my opinion).

Notice I never said that white males in the bible belt are racist in my post. But im aware of the stereo type. I want to explore the demographics of our nation as a whole. if you look at a political map you get liberals along all the costal cities and strong conservatism in the middle. I would like to know specifically why this is the case? Im aware of the divirsity of the costal citys, but does that then mean that the more diverse your population is the less conservative you are?

[Myles]

Thanks for your honest answers Myles. I propose a few more questions open to anyone based off your answers.

1. What is it about the democrats that minorities and women seem drawn to?

2. Would you agree that the social regulations that republicans favor (drug laws, prostituion, gambling, homesexual marriage) all come from deep seated belief in the bibles and the laws in it?

3. What are the intentions of the government power grabs you describe coming from liberals. As in. what is the end game for them? Example a Communist society where wealth is distrubuted evenly?

4. I agree affirmitive action is racist

1 - Pretty much just that the issues of minorities are addressed more by the democratic party. Such as affirmative action. If I was a black person, I would be more apt to vote democratic. A large portion of the unemployed are minority. Voting democratic would help "my people". If I was of mexican heritage, the lenience towards illegal immigrants would push me towards voting democratic.

2 - I would agree that many of Republican beliefs stem from the bible. I also think that many of democratic beliefs are defined in the bible (do unto others, right?). Adultery, do not steal, do not kill. If we damn some, it's only fair to praise others. FYI, I do not believe nor practice all.

3 - I think the government craves power. Whether Dem or Rep, it's obvious they want power. Personally I am a strong proponent of state rights.

[BlackBearWolf]

1 - Pretty much just that the issues of minorities are addressed more by the democratic party. Such as affirmative action. If I was a black person, I would be more apt to vote democratic. A large portion of the unemployed are minority. Voting democratic would help "my people". If I was of mexican heritage, the lenience towards illegal immigrants would push me towards voting democratic.

2 - I would agree that many of Republican beliefs stem from the bible. I also think that many of democratic beliefs are defined in the bible (do unto others, right?). Adultery, do not steal, do not kill. If we damn some, it's only fair to praise others. FYI, I do not believe nor practice all.

3 - I think the government craves power. Whether Dem or Rep, it's obvious they want power. Personally I am a strong proponent of state rights.

Im enjoying this discusion of straight forward thoughts. Im neither democrat or republican by the way. I know i have not stated any opinions yet but Im a registered Libertarian.

Based off your answer of why minorities feel represented by the democrats, i must ask what is it about the republicans that white males like?

I am personally sick of the current two party system and all the us vs them mantality it has created. We all want the same things in life, but somehow the media has us convinced we are enemies.

The democrats need to stop this big brother bull**** and downsize oversight and social engineering by like 200%

Republicans need to get there noses out of peoples personal decisions and realize we are not a Theocracy!

Anyone who follows these career politicians and thier pundits are just perpetuating the fall of our great country. There is absolutly nothing patriotic about our current government and the way it behaves.

Its a bunch of babies pointing fingers and flailing around because they got a boo boo. Its all about the how they can "spin" stories to get what they want. Stop falling for it. They are all **** heads who honestly believe that Obama wants to destroy the country and that all republicans are racist and dumb. Time to grow up and realize we are all in the same boat. im talking to half of the posters on this forum with the name calling and generalizing!

Edited May 9, 2014 by BlackBearWolf

[Frank Merton]

People want power; some more than others but we seem to have a dominance instinct. We also want to be protected and cared for and we have a submissive instinct that leads to things like belief in God.

The Founding Fathers of the Unites States were a group of self-appointed wealthy land owning aristocrats educated in the liberal British ideals of deism and tri-partite democracy. They really didn't understand the consequences of actually letting ordinary theistic people elect government, and by the time they did it was too late. Look at the huge drop in the quality of American leadership as the founding group died out. Out of the centuries that followed one can pick out at best a handful of men who were up to their quality standard.

[Guest]

It is true that you need an intelligent population to get intelligent politicians. The consequences of having ignorant people choosing who runs a country can be devastating. There is also an incentive for the few intelligent administrators, who generally work in the dark, to encourage ignorance so that they can manipulate policy without most people been aware of their actions.

Democracy has some fundamental flaws. I advocate Timothy Leary's S.M.I.L.E. program for expanding general intelligence as the main cure.

Br Cornelius

[Frank Merton]

I dunno; in the States the teachers tend to concentrate on the "gifted" as they call them and let the others drift, so the States produces excellent professionals and an ignorant middle and lower class.

Vietnam insists all children learn their lessons, with serious consequences otherwise, and thereby produces a fairly well educated mass but with no particular tendency for gifted kids to excel. (Of course because of poverty a good number of Vietnamese kids drop out of school to work once they are at about third grade level, so literacy is high but maybe only half actually finish high school and almost all of them also finish college).

Of the two, of course I'm biased, but I would trust Vietnamese voters over American voters.

[spacecowboy342]

As a mostly conservative guy I feel like the conservative descriptions were spot on. I also believe the liberal descriptions were too. Why don't you two angry fellas take each of the liberal descriptions and dispute them?

Being a conservative. of course you believe that crap. You probably believe the spew released by Faux News also

[F3SS]

Being a conservative. of course you believe that crap. You probably believe the spew released by Faux News also

Thanks old man. Insightful as always. Insulting as usual.

[Socio]

Being a conservative. of course you believe that crap. You probably believe the spew released by Faux News also

I suppose you believe everything spewed by MSNBC is the gospel?

That reminds me, I left the biggest difference between Conservatism and Liberalism off my list;

Conservatism is not a mental disorder.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Socio

[Guest]

I suppose you believe everything spewed by MSNBC is the gospel?

That reminds me, I left the biggest difference between Conservatism and Liberalism off my list;

Conservatism is not a mental disorder.

But it does seem to diminish your intellect somewhat

Br Cornelius

[Frank Merton]

When it comes to politics I tend to not so much see both sides of an issue as not see either side. In other words I tend to look at opposing political philosophies or politicians or nations as "your both wrong," why can't you meet somewhere in the middle or maybe find something new.

[BlackBearWolf]

When it comes to politics I tend to not so much see both sides of an issue as not see either side. In other words I tend to look at opposing political philosophies or politicians or nations as "your both wrong," why can't you meet somewhere in the middle or maybe find something new.

That would require people to swallow their pride. Unfortunately politics is like a spectator s sport now. People will blindly follow their home team for no other reason than geographic location.

Liberals chant "fox news bad !" rah rah rah!

Conservatives chant "msnbc bad!" Rah rah rah!

They even have mascots.

Its not about helping the country anymore. Its about winning the political game. We cheer them on and we are just as guilty.

[preacherman76]

When it comes to politics I tend to not so much see both sides of an issue as not see either side. In other words I tend to look at opposing political philosophies or politicians or nations as "your both wrong," why can't you meet somewhere in the middle or maybe find something new.

I half agree. I see most subjects as, "your both wrong and you have no business even getting involved in 90% of the subjects you use to rule over us with." I dont want them to meet in the middle when it comes to most subjects. I dont want them even thinking they have authority to meet anywhere on most subjects.

[preacherman76]

That would require people to swallow their pride. Unfortunately politics is like a spectator s sport now. People will blindly follow their home team for no other reason than geographic location.

Liberals chant "fox news bad !" rah rah rah!

Conservatives chant "msnbc bad!" Rah rah rah!

They even have mascots.

Its not about helping the country anymore. Its about winning the political game. We cheer them on and we are just as guilty.

This is actualy what gives me some hope. Alot of conservatives are seeing all main stream, left or right, as trash. There is no where near enough of us seeing this, but our numbers are growing.

[Einsteinium]

When it comes to politics I tend to not so much see both sides of an issue as not see either side. In other words I tend to look at opposing political philosophies or politicians or nations as "your both wrong," why can't you meet somewhere in the middle or maybe find something new.

I have been asking myself that question (why can't we meet somewhere in the middle and find something new or different?) for years and there is no clear answer. I think that it is because the elites do not want us collaborating and working together. They want us at odds and bickering, it only serves to help the elites maintain the status quo. The left vs. right paradigm has been hijacked by the elites, every so often they throw a few crumbs down to the masses to keep them from rioting, but still keep enough strife to prevent them from unifying against the status quo elites. The hardcore liberals and conservatives buy into it hook, line, and sinker. And the elites are laughing at us all the way to their bank in the Cayman islands. What sheep we have become, what fools. Those of us who understand what is going on are shut out, trampled on, and excluded from the media and even by those in our own social groups that buy into the propaganda. The elites have effectively silenced the rational moderates, they are winning.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Einsteinium

[Bama13]

I have been asking myself that question (why can't we meet somewhere in the middle and find something new or different?) for years and there is no clear answer. I think that it is because the elites do not want us collaborating and working together. They want us at odds and bickering, it only serves to help the elites maintain the status quo. The left vs. right paradigm has been hijacked by the elites, every so often they throw a few crumbs down to the masses to keep them from rioting, but still keep enough strife to prevent them from unifying against the status quo elites. The hardcore liberals and conservatives buy into it hook, line, and sinker. And the elites are laughing at us all the way to their bank in the Cayman islands. What sheep we have become, what fools. Those of us who understand what is going on are shut out, trampled on, and excluded from the media and even by those in our own social groups that buy into the propaganda. The elites have effectively silenced the rational moderates, they are winning.

As I have said before it is not Left vs Right, or Dem vs Repub, or Red vs Blue. It is The Government vs The People. And we, the people, are losing. Worse, it is our own damn fault.

[BlackBearWolf]

Notice when the rational minority speaks with its logic and truths. There is no responses from the left or right. Because thier flame war has been snuffed. The most common response I get when i tell people I cannot relate with republican or democrats is a look of concern. It is so engrained at this point that people feel sorry for people who support third parties. I've been told my whole life that its a waste of my vote if dont vote democrat or republican. I feel bad that this is reality. I will never choose the lesser of two evils. Evil is evil period.

Edited May 9, 2014 by BlackBearWolf