Gunn Posted May 9, 2014 #401 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Notice when the rational minority speaks with its logic and truths. There is no responses from the left or right. Because thier flame war has been snuffed. The most common response I get when i tell people I cannot relate with republican or democrats is a look of concern. It is so engrained at this point that people feel sorry for people who support third parties. I've been told my whole life that its a waste of my vote if dont vote democrat or republican. I feel bad that this is reality. I will never choose the lesser of two evils. Evil is evil period. The third can become evil in a biblical sense, just as much as the other two, when they've been subtly infiltrated by one or both of the lesser of two evils. I'm starting to see that now with the Libertarians, which is why I will still remain a Independent to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBearWolf Posted May 9, 2014 #402 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The third can become evil in a biblical sense, just as much as the other two, when they've been subtly infiltrated by one or both of the lesser of two evils. I'm starting to see that now with the Libertarians, which is why I will still remain a Independent to this day. good point. Curious about your opinion on what exactly is evil about the libertarian party. You claimed your are independent. Does that mean you vote republican ot dem sometimes or do you only vote for independent candidates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunn Posted May 9, 2014 #403 Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) good point. Curious about your opinion on what exactly is evil about the libertarian party. You claimed your are independent. Does that mean you vote republican ot dem sometimes or do you only vote for independent candidates? I would usually vote for all three, hell I voted for Bush Jr. and then Obama in the final Presidential elections; yes I know, double mistake, shall not make another like that ever again. I voted for Independent candidates in the primaries, but they never made it to the final Presidential elections and so like a gullible idiot I voted for the lesser of two evils. So now I'm looking at voting for other third parties. One that represents my political beliefs. I was looking at the Libertarian party for a while after taking notice of Ron Paul in 2012 and for the most part, I agree with about a third of their political philosophy. So if the Libertarians would stay true those political philosophies, I wouldn't be looking at them as becoming evil as you would put it with other parties that screw us over; really I just call them self-centered parties that don't really care about the public but their own corporate interests. But now, unfortunately, since they've started to gain popularity, you've got a lot of not really true Libertarian minded types out there (mostly hardcore right wingers and neocon types) trying to infiltrate the party, adopt some of the Libertarian political philosophy - but not all of it, mix it all together with their own right wing ideologies from the GOP, while sometimes calling themselves Libertarians to gain support. So that kind of infiltration I'm seeing among the Libertarian party is why I believe they are falling to the wayside of political evil. From your biblical perspective of course. One thing I've noticed lately though, seems like a lot of original/ or pure Libertarians are taking notice of this as well and calling the Libertarian wannabes "Fake Libertarians" while the others accused of being called this are turning around and calling them "Libertarians purist". Don't know what's going on with that or if it will break out into a big rift among Libertarians. Because I've only seen this on the net at a few websites so far. Edited May 9, 2014 by Purifier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Censorship Posted May 10, 2014 #404 Share Posted May 10, 2014 We're stuck in an outdated paradigm. The paradigm shapes people's views rather than the reverse, so many people force themselves to fit into the Coke Party or the Pepsi Party. Some people "rebel" by joining the RC Party. If we get real with ourselves, we realize that we might agree with both parties on some issues. We can't be honest and open because we are often forced to choose one of the two by default. Random Voter: "I agree with the Coke Party on most things, but some of my views only fit in with the fringe of the Pepsi Party, so I'll vote for politicians in the Coke Party." There are tons of soda brands at stores, so it should be the same way in our political system. I think that most individuals are just that, "individuals", but we can't exercise our individuality in the contemporary "two-pop" paradigm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted May 10, 2014 #405 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I suppose you believe everything spewed by MSNBC is the gospel? That reminds me, I left the biggest difference between Conservatism and Liberalism off my list; Conservatism is not a mental disorder. No I don't believe anything they say either. If you want news the only choices are PBS or Al-Jazeera, A sad testament for American journalism. I'm glad Walter Cronkite didn't have to live to see this. But Fox is adept at being a full tine attack ad pretending to be news and should be banned. Conservatism isn't a mental disorder just an unwillingness to use any mental faculties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted May 10, 2014 #406 Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) Thanks old man. Insightful as always. Insulting as usual. I'll take that over never insulting but never insightful. Do you really think that condescending drivel wasn't insulting? Edited May 10, 2014 by spacecowboy342 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 10, 2014 #407 Share Posted May 10, 2014 and should be banned. How first amendment of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted May 10, 2014 #408 Share Posted May 10, 2014 How first amendment of you. Libel isn't protected by the first ammendment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 10, 2014 #409 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Oh man, you're nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunn Posted May 10, 2014 #410 Share Posted May 10, 2014 We're stuck in an outdated paradigm. The paradigm shapes people's views rather than the reverse, so many people force themselves to fit into the Coke Party or the Pepsi Party. Some people "rebel" by joining the RC Party. If we get real with ourselves, we realize that we might agree with both parties on some issues. We can't be honest and open because we are often forced to choose one of the two by default. Random Voter: "I agree with the Coke Party on most things, but some of my views only fit in with the fringe of the Pepsi Party, so I'll vote for politicians in the Coke Party." There are tons of soda brands at stores, so it should be the same way in our political system. I think that most individuals are just that, "individuals", but we can't exercise our individuality in the contemporary "two-pop" paradigm. A damn fine analogy, sir. I'm looking at the Big K soda party this year and hopefully up to 2016. They're not flashy or well known (they mostly hang around in Kroger stores a lot), but I like their flavor. They're just sweet enough for my tastes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 10, 2014 #411 Share Posted May 10, 2014 If Coke vs Pepsi doesn't matter, why do we keep comparing them? Why is 'Conservatives vs. Liberals' 28 pages long even on this enlightened website of non-partisans instead of something that matters? That's what begs the question, if Coke and Pepsi are so bad, what's so good about them? Other than RC and Big K and other alternatives not even being available at the store that is. How many times have I observed this: "Pepsi lies. Pepsi scams. Pepsi is cheap. Pepsi is naive. Pepsi Pepsi Pepsi blah blah blah blah." "What's so good about Coke?" "Coke?? I'm not a Coke. When did I ever say I was Coke?" Way too many. Why can we not seem to understand that when we spend inordinate amounts of time ranting about Pepsi, the obvious inference we're making is that we prefer Coke? Something isn't right here, and by that I sure as hell don't mean left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted May 10, 2014 #412 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Oh man, you're nuts. Beside the point entirely. Nuts or not I can smell bull****. And Fox News is bull**** Mountain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted May 10, 2014 #413 Share Posted May 10, 2014 If Coke vs Pepsi doesn't matter, why do we keep comparing them? Why is 'Conservatives vs. Liberals' 28 pages long even on this enlightened website of non-partisans instead of something that matters? That's what begs the question, if Coke and Pepsi are so bad, what's so good about them? Other than RC and Big K and other alternatives not even being available at the store that is. How many times have I observed this: "Pepsi lies. Pepsi scams. Pepsi is cheap. Pepsi is naive. Pepsi Pepsi Pepsi blah blah blah blah." "What's so good about Coke?" "Coke?? I'm not a Coke. When did I ever say I was Coke?" Way too many. Why can we not seem to understand that when we spend inordinate amounts of time ranting about Pepsi, the obvious inference we're making is that we prefer Coke? Something isn't right here, and by that I sure as hell don't mean left. Maybe we're waiting for Sprite to step up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 10, 2014 #414 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Maybe we're waiting for Sprite to step up Then you're gonna die waiting if what I see happening keeps happening. Another four years goes by; no Sprite in sight. Coke and Pepsi, arguing over who the brown sugar water is, is everywhere. Same old ****, different election. If we can't even challenge our masters to put Sprite on the ballot and get Sprite in the debates, and we all go off and either vote for Coke and Pepsi or do not, this nonsense is going to continue. These control freaks who have such a stranglehold on our system should be disemboweled by everyone until those changes are made. Where is that movement at? Year after year. Term after term. Decade after decade. Where's that thread? But that doesn't happen, because as much as they like to b**** about the other guy's drink, Coke or Pepsi is good enough for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 10, 2014 #415 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Beside the point entirely. Nuts or not I can smell bull****. And Fox News is bull**** Mountain To ban free speech by the iron fist of government is nuts and communistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 10, 2014 #416 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Why not an electoral reform (I'm full of suggestions for other countries) that says if less than half the electorate turns out the election is void and the candidates are disqualified on the next try. Here is another one -- put "none of the above" as a possible choice with the same outcome if it wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 10, 2014 #417 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Why not an electoral reform (I'm full of suggestions for other countries) that says if less than half the electorate turns out the election is void and the candidates are disqualified on the next try. Here is another one -- put "none of the above" as a possible choice with the same outcome if it wins. There is a no vote option though I can't recall for certain if there is on the presidential ballot. I always choose no vote when there is an unchallenged democrat but that usually only happens on the smaller office type of ballots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 10, 2014 #418 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Why not an electoral reform (I'm full of suggestions for other countries) that says if less than half the electorate turns out the election is void and the candidates are disqualified on the next try. Here is another one -- put "none of the above" as a possible choice with the same outcome if it wins. American elections generally only run with 50-60% voter turnout as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 10, 2014 #419 Share Posted May 10, 2014 There is a no vote option though I can't recall for certain if there is on the presidential ballot. I always choose no vote when there is an unchallenged democrat but that usually only happens on the smaller office type of ballots. Iowa has 100 state representatives. 51 of the representatives are running unchallenged this year. Their districts are so locked in being red or blue that most people don't even bother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted May 11, 2014 #420 Share Posted May 11, 2014 To ban free speech by the iron fist of government is nuts and communistic. Free speech is not the issue. Slander and lies are not protected speech. We need no Joseph Goebels here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted May 11, 2014 #421 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Then you're gonna die waiting if what I see happening keeps happening. Another four years goes by; no Sprite in sight. Coke and Pepsi, arguing over who the brown sugar water is, is everywhere. Same old ****, different election. If we can't even challenge our masters to put Sprite on the ballot and get Sprite in the debates, and we all go off and either vote for Coke and Pepsi or do not, this nonsense is going to continue. These control freaks who have such a stranglehold on our system should be disemboweled by everyone until those changes are made. Where is that movement at? Year after year. Term after term. Decade after decade. Where's that thread? But that doesn't happen, because as much as they like to b**** about the other guy's drink, Coke or Pepsi is good enough for them. I think getting rid of the electoral college and changing the whole gerrymandering rules might help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted May 11, 2014 #422 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Maybe we're waiting for Sprite to step up Sprite is a Coke product. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 11, 2014 #423 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Free speech is not the issue. Yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 12, 2014 #424 Share Posted May 12, 2014 American elections generally only run with 50-60% voter turnout as it is. Yea I know; part of that is that people are not fooled into thinking this is a real choice they are making. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy342 Posted May 12, 2014 #425 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Yes it is. No it isn't Sprite is a Coke product. Maybe I should have said RC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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