seeder Posted April 25, 2014 #1 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Vladimir Putin gave his clearest signal yet that he aims to break up the global nature of the internet when he branded the network a "CIA project" on Thursday. The Russian president told a media conference in St Petersburg that America's overseas espionage agency had originally set up the internet and was continuing to develop it. Putin has long hinted that he wants a Russian-run alternative. The idea of breaking up the internet has gained ground in Germany, Brazil and elsewhere round the world in the light of the revelations by whistleblower Edward Snowden about the extent to which the US National Security Agency has infiltrated Facebook, Skype and other social media. http://www.theguardi...up-internet-cia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted April 25, 2014 #2 Share Posted April 25, 2014 He's just mad that Russia's cyber warfare capabilities are nowhere near the effectiveness of the USA's/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted April 25, 2014 Author #3 Share Posted April 25, 2014 He's just mad that Russia's cyber warfare capabilities are nowhere near the effectiveness of the USA's/ Not just him, from the OP "The idea of breaking up the internet has gained ground in Germany, Brazil and elsewhere round the world in the light of the revelations by whistleblower Edward Snowden about the extent to which the US National Security Agency has infiltrated Facebook, Skype and other social media". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted April 25, 2014 #4 Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) Not just him, from the OP "The idea of breaking up the internet has gained ground in Germany, Brazil and elsewhere round the world in the light of the revelations by whistleblower Edward Snowden about the extent to which the US National Security Agency has infiltrated Facebook, Skype and other social media". Well since it was their black budget that funded the creation of facebook, skype, etc.... Edited April 25, 2014 by OverSword 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiteMarcher Posted April 26, 2014 #5 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The man of the hour: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolarPlexus Posted April 26, 2014 #6 Share Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) Internet aka DARPANET initially was the joint project of US Navy and the Pentagon very very old news but Putin is right Edited April 26, 2014 by SolarPlexus 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolarPlexus Posted April 26, 2014 #7 Share Posted April 26, 2014 He's just mad (and other countries too ) that USA is abusing the internet to limit our freedoms more than anyone else in the world fixed that for ya 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted April 26, 2014 #8 Share Posted April 26, 2014 A Russian run Internet!! Wow, that takes my breath away. Good old Putin, champion of freedom and individual rights. Oh, wait a minute......! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted April 26, 2014 Author #9 Share Posted April 26, 2014 A Russian run Internet!! Wow, that takes my breath away. Good old Putin, champion of freedom and individual rights. Oh, wait a minute......! Perhaps you didnt read/or understand what was being suggested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolarPlexus Posted April 26, 2014 #10 Share Posted April 26, 2014 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted April 26, 2014 #11 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Perhaps you didnt read/or understand what was being suggested "Putin has long hinted that he wants a Russian-run alternative." Well, well. Perhaps I did read it and understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolci Posted April 26, 2014 #12 Share Posted April 26, 2014 He's a puppet, he's only doing what he's told, he's smart enough to realize that he's a human being first, like everyone else, no matter where you happen to be born, and Russian only second. But he's also smart enough to see the big picture and the "game" that is being run for a show here on the planet. He's simply playing out his part in it, it's his scene now, it'll come to pass and it'll be all forgotten about and won't matter in the big scheme of things, but right now, it's what's supposed to distract people from things that do matter, and apparently it's working really well for some. As for the US's cyber warfare capabilities, I wish people educated themselves. What good is any of what the US has against what the Russians have? I'm not talking about their anti-satellite technology which makes the entirety of all US troops, jets etc. all blind if it comes to a war. I'm talking about psychotronic weapons. Everything he's outlining for the clueless masses, the Russians had 35 years ago. Just saying. Do you know what they have today? I didn't think so. Do you think they're worried about cyber warfare? They're not as stupid as you'd like to believe them to be. They'll surprise you one day, and humiliate you if they have to. But then again, China could do that on its own today if they wanted to. Fighter jets and tanks? Toys from 2 generations ago. Only around for the show, mass entertainment it's called. The real warfare is where you don't see it coming. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted April 26, 2014 #13 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Well since it was their black budget that funded the creation of facebook, skype, etc.... Skype was not in any way, shape or form invented by NSA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype Nor was Facebook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolarPlexus Posted April 26, 2014 #14 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Because wiki is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted April 26, 2014 #15 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Skype was not in any way, shape or form invented by NSA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype Nor was Facebook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook Nor the Internet - that was Sir Tim berners - Lee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted April 26, 2014 #16 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Nor the Internet - that was Sir Tim berners - Lee Berners_Lee invented the worldwide web not the Net. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted April 26, 2014 #17 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Because wiki is good http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celebrity-business/tech-billionaire/janus-friis-net-worth/ http://www.ehow.com/facts_5125753_invented-skype.html http://www.ask.com/question/who-invented-Skype http://www.estinventor.com/estonian-inventions/ http://www.brighthub.com/office/collaboration/articles/6109.aspx This is just a tiny fraction of the non-Wiki links about Skypes history. Now it is your turn to provide links about your alternate history of Skype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted April 26, 2014 #18 Share Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) That could only result in a drawback of international openness in the world. That's the beauty of the internet, on can acess a Russian website from China or a Spanish website form the US ect. Communicating and connect with people around the world. If certain continents decide to withdraw in their corners of the world, I fail to see how is that a positive move in the long-term. I seriously doubt it would happen though. Obviously all the succesful model of major internet corporation are American-based. Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter ect. In a kind of 'cold-war'' type of rivalry, it maybe that Putin wants to make sure that Russia becomes of major player as well. Rutube instead of Youtube may be a starting point. http://techcrunch.co...e-vimeo-videos/ Edited April 26, 2014 by sam_comm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted April 26, 2014 Author #19 Share Posted April 26, 2014 "Putin has long hinted that he wants a Russian-run alternative." Well, well. Perhaps I did read it and understand it. Did you also notice this bit? The idea of breaking up the internet has gained ground in Germany, Brazil and elsewhere round the world in the light of the revelations by whistleblower Edward Snowden about the extent to which the US National Security Agency has infiltrated Facebook, Skype and other social media". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted April 26, 2014 Author #20 Share Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) Maybe I should add what the difference is between the net, and the web? What is The Internet? The Internet is a massive network of networks, a networking infrastructure. It connects millions of computers together globally, forming a network in which any computer can communicate with any other computer as long as they are both connected to the Internet. Information that travels over the Internet does so via a variety of languages known as protocols. What is The Web (World Wide Web)? The World Wide Web, or simply Web, is a way of accessing information over the medium of the Internet. It is an information-sharing model that is built on top of the Internet. The Web uses the HTTP protocol, only one of the languages spoken over the Internet, to transmit data. Web services, which use HTTP to allow applications to communicate in order to exchange business logic, use the the Web to share information. The Web also utilizes browsers, such as Internet Explorer or Firefox, to access Web documents called Web pages that are linked to each other via hyperlinks. Web documents also contain graphics, sounds, text and video. The Web is just one of the ways that information can be disseminated over the Internet. The Internet, not the Web, is also used for e-mail, which relies on SMTP, Usenet news groups, instant messaging and FTP. So the Web is just a portion of the Internet, albeit a large portion, but the two terms are not synonymous and should not be confused. http://www.webopedia...vs_Internet.asp ETA added source! . Edited April 26, 2014 by seeder 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted April 26, 2014 #21 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Did you also notice this bit? The idea of breaking up the internet has gained ground in Germany, Brazil and elsewhere round the world in the light of the revelations by whistleblower Edward Snowden about the extent to which the US National Security Agency has infiltrated Facebook, Skype and other social media". I read it all. Do you intend to cross examine every poster in this thread? Personally I have very little time for social media. It remains to be seen, though, whether the idea of breaking up the Internet merely gaining ground in Germany and Brazil leads to anything as major as that. And if it does I certainly would not wish to be connected or affiliated to any alternative proposed or supported by Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted April 26, 2014 Author #22 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I read it all. Do you intend to cross examine every poster in this thread? Personally I have very little time for social media. It remains to be seen, though, whether the idea of breaking up the Internet merely gaining ground in Germany and Brazil leads to anything as major as that. And if it does I certainly would not wish to be connected or affiliated to any alternative proposed or supported by Putin. Count China in too The Chinese government wants its own Internet http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1722650/chinese-government-internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted April 26, 2014 #23 Share Posted April 26, 2014 WHats the latest numbers on online E-commerce annual consumer spending ? ~ no wonder why really ~ and no surprise why everyone wants their own 'Internet' ~ ~ best open secret there is ~ just a 0.5 percent increase across the sectors and they'll be rolling on the floor laughing all the way to the bank without having their hands soiled by 'cash and change' ~ Googled sources page 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient astronaut Posted April 26, 2014 #24 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Will this dude ever go away??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikko-kun Posted April 26, 2014 #25 Share Posted April 26, 2014 So, why not have our own internets instead of www? Doesn't sound like a major project. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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