Collateral Damage: U.S. Covert Operations

[Babe Ruth]

You in effect are comparing George Bush to Adolph Hitler by bringing up Nuremberg in this context. Are you sure you want to go there?

No Frank, it is YOU who is comparing George to Adolf. I had not thought of it until you just posted it.

The point of MY post was to criticize your earlier absurd post suggesting somehow that no crimes were committed by the US administration during the runup to and prosecution of the several wars we brought by invading innocent countries. "Military Aggression" is how our actions were defined under international law, and several jurisdictions have ruled that way.

Do you think any US president should be above the law Frank? Is that your point? Selective application of the law?

Or are you still simply wearing Rose Colored Glasses, seeing US troops as modern day Johnny Appleseeds, spreading "democracy" far and wide by way of the barrel of a gun, fired under fraud and deception?

[+Liquid Gardens]

The point of MY post was to criticize your earlier absurd post suggesting somehow that no crimes were committed by the US administration during the runup to and prosecution of the several wars we brought by invading innocent countries.

Where did Frank say that? Not in this thread.

Or are you still simply wearing Rose Colored Glasses, seeing US troops as modern day Johnny Appleseeds, spreading "democracy" far and wide by way of the barrel of a gun, fired under fraud and deception?

Oh, never mind then, you were just setting up a strawman so you can simultaneously mock him and make yourself seem like a brave patriot who's not afraid to look clear-eyed at the 'truth'.

[Frank Merton]

By his logic Roosevelt and Churchill should have been punished for daring to use force to defend against the Nazis.

When to have an international tribunal or not is a touchy and difficult area, and not one where one can use the diplomatic legalities of the nineteenth century.

[ellapenella]

@ SkyEagle

Simply said ,

As if you can't see the forest for the trees

[Phaeton80]

Just to let you know that most of the money in question at the Pentagon has been accounted for. Goes to show that the claim regarding missing funds at the Pentagon was based on ignorance, not facts.

Goes to show you simply ignore content that doesnt conform with your mainstream paradigm, and as such fail to grasp what is being argued. That wont stop you to spray your usual blanks all over this threat without end, Im quite sure.

Why not take a walk on the wild side and actually take some effort to truely R-E-A-D the provided article? You can do it, I bewieve in you.

Edited May 30, 2014 by Phaeton80

[skyeagle409]

Or are you still simply wearing Rose Colored Glasses, seeing US troops as modern day Johnny Appleseeds, spreading "democracy" far and wide by way of the barrel of a gun, fired under fraud and deception?

In Afghanistan, the Taliban was warned to turn over Osama bin Laden, however, the Taliban refused and the rest is now history. I might add that the Taliban was aware that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attack that killed almost 3000 people and let's not forget that Osama bin Laden had declared war on the United States prior to the 9/11 attack. The United States gave bin Laden what he had wished for and as a result, bin Laden was eventually killed.

In the first Gulf War, Saddam was warned to leave Kuwait or else. Saddam refused and his troops were eventually ejected out of Kuwait. What do you think led to the second Gulf War?

[skyeagle409]

Goes to show you simply ignore content that doesnt conform with your mainstream paradigm, and as such fail to grasp what is being argued. That wont stop you to spray your usual blanks all over this threat without end, Im quite sure.

Why not take a walk on the wild side and actually take some effort to truely R-E-A-D the provided article? You can do it, I bewieve in you.

BR and I have been over this before and I knew where he was heading.

[Babe Ruth]

Where did Frank say that? Not in this thread.

Oh, never mind then, you were just setting up a strawman so you can simultaneously mock him and make yourself seem like a brave patriot who's not afraid to look clear-eyed at the 'truth'.

I am more than happy to stand corrected if I misunderstood Frank's previous post. So far, Frank has not communicated that.

Frank did communicate that he thinks bringing certain leaders up on "vague and trumped up charges" is "silly propaganda".

Would he like to retract that? So far, apparently not. Would he like to clarify what he said? So far, apparently not.

Many still think that everything Bush did relative to these wars was rational, truthful and above board.

A close examination of all the facts shows otherwise. The war was brought under fraud, and any person being honest with himself, and using the luxury of historical hindsight, as we can do 13 years later, will come to the same conclusion.

Frank is happy to not prosecute war criminals, just as the POTUS is happy to 'not look back'.

If I'm misunderstanding your words Frank, please let me know. Poor old LG won't be able to sleep until this is settled.

[skyeagle409]

Many still think that everything Bush did relative to these wars was rational, truthful and above board.

A close examination of all the facts shows otherwise. The war was brought under fraud, and any person being honest with himself, and using the luxury of historical hindsight, as we can do 13 years later, will come to the same conclusion.

Osama bin Laden, the leader of al-Qaeda, had declared war on the United States and attacked the United States in an attack that killed almost 3000 people. Afterward. Bush demanded that the Taliban turn over Osama bin Laden, however, the Taliban refused to comply with U.S demands and the rest is history, which had nothing to do with an 9/11 government covert operation.

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Edited May 30, 2014 by skyeagle409

[skyeagle409]

Poor old LG won't be able to sleep until this is settled.

Poor old BR has been asked to supply evidence, but BR has refused. BTW, what happened to your B-727 at Shanksville?

Edited May 30, 2014 by skyeagle409

[Phaeton80]

Please keep to the topic at hand. Take your personal feuds elsewhere.

Edited May 30, 2014 by Phaeton80

[Agent0range]

Goes to show you simply ignore content that doesnt conform with your mainstream paradigm, and as such fail to grasp what is being argued. That wont stop you to spray your usual blanks all over this threat without end, Im quite sure.

Why not take a walk on the wild side and actually take some effort to truely R-E-A-D the provided article? You can do it, I bewieve in you.

Sure..read the article. Then read another one with "proof" of mini-nukes, another with "proof" that there were no planes, another with "proof" that there was dynamite in the basement, another with "proof" that the planes were remote controlled. Another with "proof" that there were no passengers on the planes. You do realize that you "truthers" have told hundred's of different variations of the "truth" over the years, right? With that being said, is it really a surprise at all that no one takes you seriously?

[Phaeton80]

For rational people, its normal that when one would react to a certain OP so judgementally, you would read the actual content of the OP - so you know what is being argued. Sounds crazy for some, I know, but its true.

Seems to me your logic is emotionally laden, fervently ridiculing by association, deciding to spontaneously imagine I ever used the word 'proof' anywhere here.

Good thing you were just as skeptical towards the WMD 'proof' back in the day though huh, member that? Imagine they would have gotten away with that and actually send our sons and daughters to die based on a big fat lie while living like 21st century kings the rest of their lives. Oh wait..

[Phaeton80]

[...]

Did Flight 77 “pass” on three primary targets (the White House, the Capitol, and the command centers in the northface of the Pentagon) in order to make a precision hit on what should have been known to be an empty segment of the Pentagon? Did the pilot, described as having “extraordinary skill,” after years of planning, hit a worthless target? It would seem the assumption has to be the pilot hit exactly where he wanted to hit. The planes hitting the South Tower and Pentagon maneuvered in the last moments to hit their exact target. With a world of targets available, why these? For the majority of Americans, the unanswered questions regarding that day are legion. While many of the questions may never be answered, the extraordinary destruction experienced at specific locations in the WTC, and the peculiar targeting of the Pentagon all support a pattern of deliberate destruction of sites key to the claims of Eastman, Durham, Flocco and Schwarz. While most media reports defer to the U.S. government contention that Osama Bin Laden was behind these attacks, foreign media provided reports suggesting that the “real power” behind Al Qaeda was unknown. [27]

As shall be seen, the financial power behind the attack is the same power that created these securities, and the same power as that which founded Al Qaeda. The Origins of the World Trade Center Attack Most historians track the history of September 11th to 1998 when Osama Bin Laden declared a fatwa or jihad against the U.S., and the terrorist “Hamburg Group” lead by Mohammed Atta reportedly “offered” it’s services to Al Qaeda. [28]

However, the history which defines the motives for the September 11 attacks goes much further back in time. The answers to the questions surrounding the cause of the WTC attack will be found in events going as far

back as 1990 and 1991, when the George H.W. Bush was president. To a very great degree, insight into the activities of that period are cloaked by the Executive Order of George H.W. Bush’s son, President George W. Bush, who on November 1, 2001 issued Executive Order 13233. This executive order was intended to balance the public's right to see the records of past presidents with a need to protect national security. As a result, public records which might have shed light on the activities on 1990 and 1991 remain shielded from public access in the interest of national security and the men and women who support it. [...]

[Babe Ruth]

Sure..read the article. Then read another one with "proof" of mini-nukes, another with "proof" that there were no planes, another with "proof" that there was dynamite in the basement, another with "proof" that the planes were remote controlled. Another with "proof" that there were no passengers on the planes. You do realize that you "truthers" have told hundred's of different variations of the "truth" over the years, right? With that being said, is it really a surprise at all that no one takes you seriously?

The fundamental error in your reasoning in this post is that you think that "one size fits all" for the truther community. That's not so. Most truthers are not sure exactly what did happen, but they are most certain that, yet again, the government has told a few whoppers in its version of the events of 11 September.

[skyeagle409]

Good thing you were just as skeptical towards the WMD 'proof' back in the day though huh, member that? Imagine they would have gotten away with that and actually send our sons and daughters to die based on a big fat lie while living like 21st century kings the rest of their lives. Oh wait..

Actually, WMD was eventually found in Iraq.

[skyeagle409]

The fundamental error in your reasoning in this post is that you think that "one size fits all" for the truther community. That's not so. Most truthers are not sure exactly what did happen, but they are most certain that, yet again, the government has told a few whoppers in its version of the events of 11 September.

International intelligence agencies have warned the United States that al-Qaeda, not the United States government, would attack America with aircraft.

Given the fact the evidence supports their assessments that al-Qaeda was in the stages of carrying out their attack on America, there is not much more to say other than that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda have admitted that they were responsible for the 911 attack upon the United States, which once again coincides with the international intelligence assessments.

[skyeagle409]

Did Flight 77 “pass” on three primary targets (the White House, the Capitol, and the command centers in the northface of the Pentagon) in order to make a precision hit on what should have been known to be an empty segment of the Pentagon?

What building do you see in one of these images? Is it the Pentagon?

Did the pilot, described as having “extraordinary skill,” after years of planning, hit a worthless target?

Any location struck on the Pentagon would have been seen as a legitimate target by al-Qaeda, even the roof.

It would seem the assumption has to be the pilot hit exactly where he wanted to hit. The planes hitting the South Tower and Pentagon maneuvered in the last moments to hit their exact target.

Which are known as corrections.

...With a world of targets available, why these?

What did the Twin Towers represent? What does the Pentagon represent? They are the easiest targets to see from the sky other than the Washington Monument and the Capital Building. What was the target of United 93?

...For the majority of Americans, the unanswered questions regarding that day are legion. While many of the questions may never be answered, the extraordinary destruction experienced at specific locations in the WTC, and the peculiar targeting of the Pentagon all support a pattern of deliberate destruction of sites key to the claims of Eastman, Durham, Flocco and Schwarz. While most media reports defer to the U.S. government contention that Osama Bin Laden was behind these attacks, foreign media provided reports suggesting that the “real power” behind Al Qaeda was unknown.

Let's take a look.

Al-Qaeda: Declarations & Acts of War

The First Fatwa

In August of 1996, Osama bin Laden issued his first fatwa, a 30-page polemic entitled "Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places," against the United States and Israel, and it was published in a London newspaper called Al Quds al Arabi.

The Second Fatwa

The second fatwa was published on February 23, 1998, in Al Quds al Arabi. Unlike the first fatwa, which was issued by Osama bin Laden alone, this fatwa was signed by Osama bin Laden; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of Jihad group in Egypt and al Qaeda second-in-command; Abu-Yasir Rafa'l Ahmad Taha, leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jumiat-ut-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh.

The fatwa reasons that "three facts that are known to everyone" compel war against the United States. First, the United States has been "occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places." Second, the "crusader-Zionist alliance" has inflicted great devastation upon the Iraqi people. Third, the United States' goal is "to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there.

http://www.heritage....da-declarations

1995

FEBRUARY 7, 1995: Mastermind of World Trade Center bombing, Ramzi Yousef, is captured. He is later linked to Osama Bin Laden. [MSNBC, 6/22/05; PBS]

1996

EARLY 1996: The CIA’s Counter Terrorism Center creates a special unit focusing specifically on bin Laden.

In early 1996, the CIA set up a special bin Laden unit, largely because of evidence linking him to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. At the time, he was living in Sudan, but he was expelled from that country in May 1996 after the CIA failed to persuade the Saudis to accept a Sudanese offer to turn him over.

[Washington Post, 10/3/01]

AUGUST 1996: A secret grand jury investigation begins against Osama bin Laden in New York. [PBS]

Grand Jury indicts Bin Laden. He’s charged with “conspiracy to attack defense utilities of the United States.” [PBS]

AUGUST 12, 1998: Two simultaneous explosions at US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

AUGUST 20 1998: Clinton orders missile attack in Sudan, narrowly misses Bin Laden.

“The most dramatic attempt to kill bin Laden occurred in August 1998, when Clinton ordered a Tomahawk cruise missile attack on bin Laden’s suspected training camps in Afghanistan in response to the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania… Clinton approved the cruise missile attack recommended by his advisers, and on Aug. 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles rained down on the training camps. An additional 13 missiles were fired at a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan that the Clinton administration believed was a chemical weapons factory associated with bin Laden.”

LATE 1998: CIA beings secret effort with Pakistani intelligence to capture or kill Bin Laden in Afghanistan. The CIA trained and equipped 60 comandos from the Pakistani intelligence agency. [Washington Post, 10/3/01]

LATE 1998: Clinton authorizes covert action against Bin Laden and al Qaeda.

1999

OCTOBER 12, 1999: Joint effort with Pakistani government to capture Bin Laden aborted with the overthrow of then-Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. [Washington Post, 10/3/01]

2001

EARLY 2001: CIA and FBI finally certify that al Qaeda was responsible for Cole Bombings. [bill Clinton, Fox News, 9/22/06]

AUGUST 6, 2001: Bush receives Presidential Daiy Brief entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike U.S.”

Bin Laden Admits 9/11 Responsibility, Warns of More Attacks

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.

http://www.pbs.org/n...n_10-29-04.html

Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States and carried out the 9/11 attack, which cost him his life.

[skyeagle409]

However, the history which defines the motives for the September 11 attacks goes much further back in time.

There was no motive for the 9/11 attack on the part of the United States especially in light of the fact that it was Osama bin Laden who had declared war on the United States and later admitted that he was responsible for the 9/11 attack.

Let's take another look here.

Al-Qaeda: Declarations & Acts of War

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it.... [E]very Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it.

http://www.heritage.org/research/projects/enemy-detention/al-qaeda-declarations

And now, this.

Osama Bin Laden claimed responsibility for 9/11 attacks, says son-in-law

NEW YORK – Osama Bin Laden claimed responsibility for masterminding 9/11 on the night of the attacks, his son-in-law said Wednesday as he unexpectedly testified at his federal trial in New York on terror charges.

Suleiman Abu Ghaith, who married bin Laden’s daughter Fatima, recounted a dramatic meeting with the jubilant Al-Qaeda chief in an Afghanistan cave complex on the night of Sept. 11, 2001.

“Did you learn what happened? We are the ones who did it,” Bin Laden declared, according to Abu Ghaith.

http://newsinfo.inqu...says-son-in-law

Bin Laden Claims Responsibility for 9/11

WASHINGTON – Usama bin Laden made his first televised appearance in more than a year Friday in which he admitted for the first time ordering the Sept. 11 attacks and accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people.

In what appeared to be conciliatory language, bin Laden said he wanted to explain why he ordered the airline hijackings that hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon so Americans would know how to act to prevent another attack.

http://www.foxnews.c...ibility-for-11/

The evidence and admissions of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda help explain why after 13 years there is not a shred of evidence of a U.S. government 9/11 conspiracy. Further explanations can be found in the international intelligence warnings.

Abdul Hakim Murad confessed

Abdul Hakim Murad confessed detailed Phase III in his interrogation by the Manila police after his capture.

Phase three would have involved Murad either renting, buying, or hijacking a small airplane, preferably a Cessna. The airplane would be filled with explosives. He would then crash it into the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters in theLangley area in Fairfax County, Virginia. Murad had been trained as a pilot in North Carolina, and was slated to be a suicide pilot.

There were alternate plans to hijack a 12th commercial airliner and use that instead of the small aircraft, probably due to the Manila cell's growing frustration with explosives. Testing explosives in a house or apartment is dangerous, and it can easily give away a terrorist plot. Khalid Sheik Mohammed probably made the alternate plan.

A report from the Philippines to the United States on January 20, 1995 stated, "What the subject has in his mind is that he will board any American commercial aircraft pretending to be an ordinary passenger. Then he will hijack said aircraft, control its cockpit and dive it at the CIA headquarters."

Another plot that was considered would have involved the hijacking of more airplanes. The World Trade Center (New York City, New York), The Pentagon (Arlington, Virginia), the United States Capitol (Washington, D.C.), the White House(Washington, D.C.), the Sears Tower (Chicago, Illinois), and the U.S Bank Tower (Los Angeles, California), would have been the likely targets. Abdul Hakim Murad said that this part of the plot was dropped since the Manila cell could not recruit enough people to implement other hijackings in his confession with Filipino investigators, prior to the foiling of Operation Bojinka.

This plot eventually would be the base plot for the September 11, 2001 attacks which involved hijacking commercial airliners as opposed to small aircraft loaded with explosives and crashing them into their intended targets. However, only the World Trade Center (which was destroyed) and The Pentagon (which suffered partial damage) were hit.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Bojinka_plotAbdul Hakim Murad confessed

WARNINGS THAT THE DANGER WOULD COME FROM THE AIR

BRITAIN, WARNING #1: Al-Qaeda is planning to use aircraft in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs"

the British intelligence agency, gives a secret report to liaison staff at the US embassy in London. The reports states that al-Qaeda has plans to use "commercial aircraft" in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs." [sunday Times, 6/9/02]

BRITAIN, WARNING #3: An Al-Qaeda attack will involve multiple hijackings

Early August 2001: Britain gives the US another warning about an al-Qaeda attack. The previous British warning (see July 16, 2001) was vague as to method, but this warning specifies multiple airplane hijackings. This warning is included in Bush's briefing on August 6. [sunday Herald, 5/19/02]

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #2: Three al-Qaeda agents are part of a plot "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines"

August 29, 2001: Three men from either Pakistan or Afghanistan living in the Cayman Islands are briefly arrested in June 2001 for discussing hijacking attacks in New York City (see June 4, 2001). On this day, a Cayman Islands radio station receives an unsigned letter claiming these same three men are agents of bin Laden. The anonymous author warns that they "are organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines." The letter is forwarded to a Cayman government official but no action is taken until after 9/11 and it isn't known when the US is informed. Many criminals and/or businesses use the Cayman Islands as a safe, no tax, no questions asked haven to keep their money. The author of the letter meets with the FBI shortly after 9/11, and claims his information was a "premonition of sorts." The three men are later arrested. Its unclear what has happened to them since their arrest. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, MSNBC, 9/23/01] FTW

EGYPT, WARNING #1: An undercover agent learns 20 al-Qaeda agents are in the US, four have received flight training

Late July 2001 : CBS later has a brief mention in a long story on another topic: "Just days after Atta return to the US from Spain, Egyptian intelligence in Cairo says it received a report from one of its operatives in Afghanistan that 20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas. To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn't sound terribly alarming, but they [pass] on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. The request never [comes]." [CBS, 10/9/02] This appears to be one of several accurate Egyptian warnings based on informants (see June 13, 2001 and August 30, 2001). Could Egypt have known the names of some or all of the hijackers? Given FBI agent Ken Williams' memo about flight schools a short time before (see July 10, 2001), shouldn't the US have investigated this closely instead of completely ignoring it?

GERMANY: Terrorists will use airplanes as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols"

June 2001: German intelligence warns the CIA, Britain's MI6, and Israel's Mossad that Middle Eastern terrorists are planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols, which stand out." A later article quotes unnamed German intelligence sources who state the information was coming from Echelon surveillance technology, and that British intelligence had access to the same warnings. However, there were other informational sources, including specific information and hints given to, but not reported by, Western and Near Eastern news media six months before 9/11. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01, Fox News, 5/17/02] FTW

ITALY: Muslims warn of an attack on the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons

September 7, 2001: Father Jean-Marie Benjamin is told at a wedding in Todi, Italy of a plot to attack the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons. He isn't told time or place specifics. He immediately passes what he knows to a judge and several politicians. He states: "Although I am friendly with many Muslims, I wondered why they were telling me, specifically. I felt it my duty to inform the Italian government." Benjamin has been called "one of the West's most knowledgeable experts on the Muslim world." Two days after 9/11, he meets with the Italian Foreign Minister on this topic. He says he learned the attack on Britain failed at the last minute. [Zenit, 9/16/01] He has not revealed who told him this information, but could it have been a member of the al-Qaeda cell in Milan (see August 12, 2000 and January 24, 2001), which appears to have helped with the 9/11 attacks?

JORDAN: A major attack using aircraft is planned inside the US

Late summer 2001: Jordanian intelligence (the GID) makes a communications intercept deemed so important that King Abdullah's men relay it to Washington, probably through the CIA station in Amman. To make doubly sure the message gets through it is passed through an Arab intermediary to a German intelligence agent. The message states that a major attack, code named The Big Wedding, is planned inside the US and that aircraft will be used. "When it became clear that the information was embarrassing to Bush Administration officials and congressmen who at first denied that there had been any such warnings before September 11, senior Jordanian officials backed away from their earlier confirmations." Christian Science Monitor calls the story "confidently authenticated" even though Jordan has backed away from it. [international Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/02] FTW

RUSSIA: Russian intelligence clearly warns the US several times that 25 or so terrorists, including suicide pilots, will attack the US, targeting "important buildings like the Pentagon"

August 2001 : Russian President Putin warns the US that suicide pilots are training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also later states, "We had clearly warned them" on several occasions, but they "did not pay the necessary attention." [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] A Russian newspaper on September 12, 2001 claims that "Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of these terrorist attacks. More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation to these actions a couple of weeks before they happened." Interestingly, the article claims that at least two of the terrorists were Muslim radicals from Uzbekistan. [izvestia, 9/12/01, (the story currently on the Izvestia web site has been edited to delete a key paragraph, the link is to a translation of the original article from From the Wilderness)] FTW

OTHER WARNINGS

AFGHANISTAN: Al-Qaeda is planning an imminent "huge attack" inside the US that will kill thousands

ARGENTINA: A major terrorist attack is planned against either the US, Argentina, or France

Late July 2001 : Argentina's Jewish community receives warnings of a major terrorist attack against either the United States, Argentina or France from "a foreign intelligence source." The warning was then relayed to the Argentine security authorities. It was agreed to keep the warning secret in order to avoid panic while reinforcing security at Jewish sites in the country. Says a Jewish leader, "It was a concrete warning that an attack of major proportion would take place, and it came from a reliable intelligence source. And I understand the Americans were told about it." Argentina has a large Jewish community that has been bombed in the past, and has been an area of al-Qaeda activity. [Forward, 5/31/02]

BRITAIN, WARNING #2: Al-Qaeda is the "final stages" of a very serious attack on a Western country

July 16, 2001: British spy agencies send a report to British Prime Minister Tony Blair and other top officials warning that al-Qaeda is in "the final stages" of preparing a terrorist attack in the West. The prediction is "based on intelligence gleaned not just from MI6 and GCHQ but also from US agencies, including the CIA and the National Security Agency," which cooperate with the British. "The contents of the July 16 warning would have been passed to the Americans, Whitehall sources confirmed." The report states there is "an acute awareness" that the attack is "a very serious threat." [London Times, 6/14/02] This information could be from or in addition to a warning based on surveillance of al-Qaeda prisoner Khalid al-Fawwaz (see August 21, 2001). [Fox News, 5/17/02]

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #1:

June 4, 2001: At some point in 2000, three men claiming to be Afghans but using Pakistani passports enter the Cayman Islands, possibly illegally. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01] In late 2000, Cayman and British investigators begin a yearlong probe of these men which lasts until 9/11. [Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01] They are overheard discussing hijacking attacks in New York City. On this day, they are taken into custody, questioned and released some time later. This information is forwarded to US intelligence. [Fox News, 5/17/02] In late August, a letter to a Cayman radio station will allege these same men are agents of bin Laden "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines" (see August 29, 2001).

EGYPT, WARNING #2: Al-Qaeda is in the advanced stages of a "significant operation" probably within the US

August 30-September 4, 2001: According to Egyptian President Hasni Mubarak, Egyptian intelligence warns American officials that bin Laden's network is in the advanced stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, probably within the US. [AP, 12/7/01, New York Times, 6/4/02] He says he learned this information from an agent working inside al-Qaeda. US officials deny receiving any such warning from Egypt. [ABC News, 6/4/02]

FRANCE: An echo of Israel's warning of a major assault on the US

Late August 2001 : French intelligence gives a general terrorist warning to the US; apparently its contents echo an Israeli warning from earlier in the month (see Mid-August 2001). [Fox News, 5/17/02]

INDIA: Missed opportunity with White House attack warning

India gives the US general intelligence on possible terror attacks; details are not known. US government officials later confirm that Indian intelligence had information "that two Islamist radicals with ties to Osama bin Laden were discussing an attack on the White House," but apparently this particular information is not given to the US until two days after 9/11. [Fox News, 5/17/02]

ISRAEL, WARNING #1: 50 to 200 al-Qaeda terrorists are inside the US and planning an imminent "major assault on the US" aimed at a "large scale target"

August 8-15, 2001: At some point between these dates, Israel warns the US that an al-Qaeda attack is imminent. [Fox News, 5/17/02] Two high ranking agents from the Mossad come to Washington and warn the FBI and CIA that from 50 to 200 terrorists have slipped into the US and are planning "a major assault on the United States." They say indications point to a "large scale target", and that Americans would be "very vulnerable." They add there could be Iraqi connections to the al-Qaeda attack. [Telegraph, 9/16/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/01] The Los Angeles Times later retracts the story after a CIA spokesman says, "There was no such warning. Allegations that there was are complete and utter nonsense." [Los Angeles Times, 9/21/01] In light of later revelations of a Mossad spy ring trailing numerous Muslim terrorists in the US, it is easy to see that Mossad would have known this info. Could this be later disinformation by the Mossad to spin the spy ring story and blame Iraq for 9/11, or it is another smoking gun showing extensive US foreknowledge?

ISRAEL, WARNING #2: Israel gives the US a list of 19 terrorists inside the US planning an imminent attack, the list names at least four of the hijackers, including Mohamed Atta

August 23, 2001: According to German newspapers, the Mossad gives the CIA a list of terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the 19 9/11 hijackers or if the number is a coincidence. However, four names on the list are known and are names of the 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. [Die Zeit, 10/1/02, Der Spiegel, 10/1/02, BBC, 10/2/02, Haaretz, 10/3/02] The Mossad appears to have learned about this through its "art student" spy ring (see for instance, March 5, 2002). Yet apparently this warning and list are not treated as particularly urgent by the CIA and also not passed on to the FBI. It's not clear if this warning influenced the adding of Alhazmi and Almihdhar to a terrorism watch list on this same day, and if so, why only those two. [Der Spiegel, 10/1/02] Israel has denied that there were any Mossad agents in the US. [Haaretz, 10/3/02] The US has denied knowing about Atta before 9/11, despite other media reports to the contrary (see January-May 2000).

MOROCCO: Al-Qaeda is planning large scale operations in New York City in the fall of 2001, possibly targeting the World Trade Center

August 2001 : The French magazine Maximale and the Moroccan newspaper al-Ittihad al-Ichtiraki later simultaneously report that a Moroccan agent named Hassan Dabou had penetrated al-Qaeda to the point of getting close to bin Laden by this time. Dabou claims he learns that bin Laden is "very disappointed" that the 1993 bombing had not toppled the WTC, and plans "large scale operations in New York in the summer or fall of 2001." Dabou is called to the US to report this information directly, and in so doing blows his cover, losing his ability to gather more intelligence. The International Herald Tribune later calls the story "not proved beyond a doubt" but intriguing, and asks the CIA to confirm or deny, which it has not done. [Agence France Presse, 11/22/01, International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, London Times, 6/12/02] FTW

Once again, it is clear that Osama bin Laden and his terrorist group were responsible for the 9/11 attack on the United States.

Edited June 3, 2014 by skyeagle409

[No Censorship]

Actually, WMD was eventually found in Iraq.

Saddam Hussein used them to murder Kurds. Was that after his handshake with Donald Rumsfeld?

[No Censorship]

The fundamental error in your reasoning in this post is that you think that "one size fits all" for the truther community. That's not so. Most truthers are not sure exactly what did happen, but they are most certain that, yet again, the government has told a few whoppers in its version of the events of 11 September.

There's a third option. There was a failure to take action on actionable intelligence. It's not like there weren't past attacks on the World Trade Center and other targets before 9/11. Someone dropped the ball before they made a "slam dunk".

[Frank Merton]

Yea the WTC garages were well guarded.

[No Censorship]

Yea the WTC garages were well guarded.

Yet, the blind sheik wreaked havoc when Clinton was in office. My shift for the night is done, so have a good night, folks.

[skyeagle409]

Saddam Hussein used them to murder Kurds. Was that after his handshake with Donald Rumsfeld?

The handshake with Saddam occurred years before the chemical attack against the Kurds. Let's also remember that Saddam broke conditions that ended the first Gulf War, and speaking of iraq, in 1993, one of the terrorist that bombed WTC 1 had fled to Iraq and in fact, possessed an Iraqi passport in order to enter the United States.

To further add, that same terrorist who possessed an Iraqi passport and then fled to Iraq after bombing WTC 1, is also the same terrorist who had planned to bomb a number of American airliners over the Pacific Ocean, but the plot was revealed after a fire in his apartment in the Philippines. The plot also involved the use of an aircraft as a missile that was to be flown into CIA headquarters. However, he did manage to set off a bomb in a Philippine airliner in a test that killed a passenger.

I might further add that the same terrorist who possessed an Iraqi passport in order to enter the United States to bomb WTC 1 in 1993 is also the nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the admitted mastermind of the 9/11 attack on the United States.

[skyeagle409]

Yea the WTC garages were well guarded.

After this, why not?!

Notice that despite the detonation of a huge bomb beneath WTC 1 in 1993, the steel columns remained standing within the huge bomb crater.