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Then when someone reproduces the results, they get the right numbers and the previous scientist looks incompetent.

Science! :yes:

Sometimes people are too lazy to check the math, or the stats on research. For us lay people, the stats are frequently omitted.

A threat to ourselves. Judging by their technology and their means to take earth creatures and mutilate them we pose no threat to ET in the foreseeable future.

Not sure they are mutilating people. Harvesting might be a better phrase.

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Sure, I get the wiping the bum thing and the skiddies....but not outside a food eatery. I should have elaborated on that earlier lol...

Ohhh - lovely. That does change things a tad, she could have waited for a few more metres.... I often see a lady at the local shopping centre who has her dog in a pram.

You really do crack me up psyche... :lol:

Thank you!! :D :D

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I was refering to our planets position within the milky way, this pale blue dot has been described as insignificant amidst the grand order of the universe. If we are alone it is meaningless to say our place is insignificant because by default we sure as hell must habitate, fortunately so, the MOST significant place of all time. Im not sure if that clears it up any for you or even if you agree but i do agree with you that it was a bit vague to begin with. :tu:

Thank you, that is an excellent clarification, and upon this I agree with you, in fact I find your description quite eloquent.

Haha. I think as far as guesses go its probably the right one. To find ETs birthplanet we first have to find a star. Well we are spoilt for choice when it comes to stars. We cant help but see billions of them every night...even if we close one eye! :lol:

The point about kepler planets is that they are planets beyond our own solar system, so, so far, no guesses yet! It is turning out that exo worlds are profoundly common and interestingly unique. Their ongoing detection means the potential for life is rapidly growing. It is a matter of time over technology before life is detected.

I agree that to say we are alone is just as fair as saying we are not alone - only if we disregard entirely all knowledge and potential gleaned from the scientific study of stars and planets throughout history. But patience as well as wisdom is required.

If you have ever been fishing you will know what I mean.

:D Indeed I love the sport, ever since I was young, not enough time for it these days.

I think the guess is somewhat over exaggerated. I don't think the universe is "teeming" with life. I think life is out there, but hardly teeming. I don't see the extreme worlds Kepler is finding to be potential to expand the possibility of life, but curb it. I agree it all helps us find life because we are cutting down the number of possibilities, but it just seems to be widening the odds more than anything. If we even find life, I wonder what the next step will be how many planets are only capable of supporting microbial life, how many can support megafauna, and how many have made it to an Industrial Revolution. As these new categories of planets capable of supporting life become apparent, we have whole new classes to deal with. To me that seems to be widening the possibilities. I hope we do make contact with other life, there is still a great deal of the immediate neighbourhood to investigate, but as we find the Universe to be even more diverse than we imagined, it seems to me that it's going to take a very long time to find someone who can say hello back to us.

As long as a planet can mother life i think intelligence will evolve when its good and ready, i mean do you really believe unintelligent life even exists?

I agree with you to a point, I do feel life has shown us that it will adapt to an environment, in an extremely harsh environment I think life would be doing it's level best just to hang on, and would not get the opportunity to evolve to a point where they may initiate an Industrial Revolution.

Do you really think if humans had evolved wings that the space age would not have happened?

No - but I do not find the two connected, if humans could fly, I don't think we would have got into space any faster than we did. Technology was the key there. We had to initiate the Industrial Revolution.

Yes. It is how they are able to apply physics that will set them apart.

Good call I would agree with that.

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The.Et know this and they.are.watching.

And you *know* this how exactly?

Oh wait, you don't....

Cheers,

Badeskov

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You didn't read it through did you. Professor Hawking does not at all say there are no black holes at all. His paper is even titled, 'Information preservation and weather forecasting for black holes'

Actually I listen to his announcement. It was actually very admirable admission.

He claims black holes which nothing, not even light can escape - do not exist.

I don't understand why this paper has caused so much fuss, he proposed Hawking Radiation as far back as 1974, and it was allegedly observed - unverified at this point in time - in 2010. That was the notion of radiation escaping a black holes event horizon as well.

Hawking radiation was based upon "new" mass-energy and information being carried from outside of the black hole, not from inside the black hole event horizon. BIG difference.

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By all means of respect, but what does this new age/religious mumbo jumbo have to do with anything? It is utter nonsense with absolutely no ties to reality. :wacko:

Cheers,

Badeskov

The topic is "ET", in case you where unaware, Pharaoh was alleged to be the descend of the God of Light who was came into the darkness of the universe from the Great House of Light whereby he made the two Great Lights.

I guess you don't understand how they can differentiate between the light that came from that object 13.2 billion light years away and the light from the object 13.1 billion light years away. Are you trying to say that it is utter nonsense with no tie to reality? It's science

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Actually I listen to his announcement. It was actually very admirable admission.

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He claims black holes which nothing, not even light can escape - do not exist.

The classical description of a black hole is incorrect, that does not mean black holes do not exist. It means the definition of Black Holes has been somewhat redefined.

Hawking radiation was based upon "new" mass-energy and information being carried from outside of the black hole, not from inside the black hole event horizon. BIG difference.

With Hawking radiation - vacuum fluctuations cause a particle-antiparticle pair to appear close to the event horizon of a black hole - one particle falls into the Black Hole while one escapes right? So it appears a particle is released doesn't it? Also - Quantum Tunnelling allows for a particle to escape an event horizon does it not?

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Are you trying to say that it is utter nonsense with no tie to reality? It's science

But I wouldn't take any of this as being serious

Ahem... ;)

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And you *know* this how exactly?

Oh wait, you don't....

Cheers,

Badeskov

Obviously it's my opinion. Why every time I.see you, you are acting like a know it all turd.

Cheers,

Nocturnal

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Well, if I was an ET I wouldn't stick around. Maybe if we were on the ape/caveman level, but not like this. I would just think to myself "F...ing retards" and steer my ship away from this hole.

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Well, if I was an ET I wouldn't stick around. Maybe if we were on the ape/caveman level, but not like this. I would just think to myself "F...ing retards" and steer my ship away from this hole.

That would be a shame because humans only represent a tiny fraction of the life on our planet.

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Its all in the way one Looks at things, We just might be the most advanced creatures in the universe? Whos to tell,until that day were told !

At that point in time we can do one of two things ! Accept it. Deny it .

Next reality question ?

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THey Gotta come back ! THink of all the Loto Tickets they bought up during all the Joy rides here !

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Obviously it's my opinion. Why every time I.see you, you are acting like a know it all turd.

Cheers,

Nocturnal

By all means of respect, but how should I understand the following statement?

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The.Et know this and they.are.watching.

You are stating as fact given that you have no qualifiers, thus my question.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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The above exchange caused me to think about something I hadn't thought of before -- all the crowds at casinos and other gambling establishments and all the money spent on lotteries and such like. Anyone who knows anything about probability knows that in gambling you usually lose short term and always lose long term (the friendly neighborhood or family game where the odds are even and fair being the exception), so by now what the aliens must have concluded is not just that we are stupid but that we are suckers.

Thinking about it, then, they must not be out there after all or they would long ago have come to take advantage.

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That would be a shame because humans only represent a tiny fraction of the life on our planet.

Tiny in terms of biomass & headcount maybe, but still quite influental species in comparison to biomass/headcount. I guess ETs could meet up with dolphins and rats and parrots and other intelligent animals than us though, good point.

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The above exchange caused me to think about something I hadn't thought of before -- all the crowds at casinos and other gambling establishments and all the money spent on lotteries and such like. Anyone who knows anything about probability knows that in gambling you usually lose short term and always lose long term (the friendly neighborhood or family game where the odds are even and fair being the exception), so by now what the aliens must have concluded is not just that we are stupid but that we are suckers.

Thinking about it, then, they must not be out there after all or they would long ago have come to take advantage.

Well I wouldn't go assuming we're worth taking advantage over... should be plenty of more pristine condition exoplanets out there than ours, without the retards inhabiting it.

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If ET saw this how would they define human intelligence?

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If ET saw this how would they define human intelligence?

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An extreme?

Newtons law - every action has an equal and opposite reaction, after viewing the poor end of the scale we move to the positive end, which has this example,

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Where the earth is now redeemed.

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Only a few thousand revolutions around our star separates from the stoneage. Only a few hundred thousand from the beasts of the jungle. Violent, savage walking on feet not completely adapted for bipedal motion. Clothed in plant fibers and animal skins,shambling through our nightmare cities of violence, filth, hunger and disease. Burning fossil fuels for power and transportation, poisoning the planet in the process. Breeding beyond the capability of resources to sustain the population. Why, who wouldn't want to meet such a cultured and urbane species as our own?

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Only a few thousand revolutions around our star separates from the stoneage. Only a few hundred thousand from the beasts of the jungle. Violent, savage walking on feet not completely adapted for bipedal motion. Clothed in plant fibers and animal skins,shambling through our nightmare cities of violence, filth, hunger and disease. Burning fossil fuels for power and transportation, poisoning the planet in the process. Breeding beyond the capability of resources to sustain the population. Why, who wouldn't want to meet such a cultured and urbane species as our own?

Indeed, such a diverse and varied species would be fascinating to watch, and with the rapid developments in technology, I suspect any alien might want to compare that development to their own. As such, this planet would be endlessly fascinating to an alien culture.

They would probably even get a kick out of emos.

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Sometimes physicist go back and for on their conclusions,may i suggest hawkings book "Black holes and baby universes and other essays"

Personaly, I think professor Christopher Pike is someone's marionette.
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Personaly, I think professor Christopher Pike is someone's marionette.

Ohh, the Captain of the Enterprise before Kirk you mean? Most likely, I mean he was a paraplegic by the time the series started wasn't he? Hard to move yourself like that.

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Indeed, such a diverse and varied species would be fascinating to watch, and with the rapid developments in technology, I suspect any alien might want to compare that development to their own. As such, this planet would be endlessly fascinating to an alien culture.

They would probably even get a kick out of emos.

Oh,what arrogant specs of protoplasm we are, puffed up with pride because our species became adept at chipping flint. That's not a Star Trek anthropomorphic universe out there, and to an alien species millions of years in advance of our own, we may be no more significant than social insects, and the sound of our civilization nothing more than crickets, chirping in the dark. I would be more concerned about being stepped on than expecting to be studied. Edited by hammerclaw
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