Has ET already dismissed us as unintelligent?

[DONTEATUS]

Time ? A Man made Idea in every way . Albeit ones that works quite well for us. I wonder If some day we find that time has many faces,places,spaces.?

Thats FPS !

Edited June 5, 2014 by DONTEATUS

[Pierce8]

The simplest explanation for this i can think of is.. Advance ET used to find something like us or like our earth in the universe... Thats whybthey dont care too muh of us.. And they have the cloacking capabilities to hide them for those stupid lowly beings trying to find and study them.....

[+OverSword]

About the farts How do you define a fart language then. A pushing of air that module precise lenght of sound to produce language? So in the end, isn't our mouth language could then be see has a ''fart'' languange'' then?

LOL! Do you really need me to explain the fart language and how it relates to DeGrass Tyson's statement about an intelligent species thinking a less intelligent species beneath consideration? Maybe he's got a point

So please all stop with this hate about Dr. Tyson. I truly think that he's briging a legitimate question and understand how we could*and should!) be a lot more humble has a race and feel like aliens MUST make contact with us because we still subconsiously think that we are the center of the universe.

Oh doubt he was even serious. Actually he's pretty smart so I know he didn't mean it as it a pretty stupid thing to believe

Edited June 5, 2014 by OverSword

[bison]

Just because there is the possibility of extraterrestrial races vastly more advanced than ourselves, doesn't mean that there aren't any closer to our level of development. It is reasonable that there would be a continuum of development in the universe.

It seems that we might be of much greater interest to those not so far advanced as to find us unintelligent. So why haven't any of these races made obvious, overt contact with us yet?

They could be in the process of doing so right now.If they were introducing themselves to us in a very gradual manner, many might not perceive that this was happening. We might have been shown certain hints of their presence, but not agreed about the meaning of what was seen.

Given our tendency to fear and fight what is strange to us, a very gradual process of introduction seems far wiser than simply plopping themselves down in our midst.

[psyche101]

Maybe...just maybe, WE are NOT the most intelligent life in the universe. Why must it always be our imaginary christian/biblesque type of feeling of superiority? We still have in our subconcious that ''God created us in his image''.

What absolute nonsense, nobody has at any time said Humans are the most advanced in the Universe, every single person on the planet seems to think we are the most primitive beings that exist in the Universe. I challenge that! The people who are serious about space tend to be anti religious, as is the case here, so they certainly are not going to be thinking of themselves in Gods image.

About the farts How do you define a fart language then. A pushing of air that module precise lenght of sound to produce language? So in the end, isn't our mouth language could then be see has a ''fart'' languange'' then?

No - read up on the FOXP2 gene. Voiceboxes shape sounds distinctly, farting is just wind flapping skin together.

I would expect an "intelligent" species to know this. After all, we primitive amoebas seem to be able to work that much out.

Everybody here know that we would not even be celebrating, we would storm into that planet, rape them from their lands and take ownership of everything. Just look at our past history and what we did to our own fellow humans and how many civilisation ''raped'' another one. Imperialism is not dead, not at all, it's living quite well!!!

Another one living in the past! And thinking all humans are warmongering cavemen, you should just speak for yourself really. We would have to get there before we could do any raping for a start, which you think everyone on the planet wants to do - so does that include you too? Or are you somehow special and the only benevolent being on the planet?

Looking at a infantile, war mongering civilisation like us, it would be no suprise that an alien race would think we are to violent and a big pack of idiots to take contact with. Why people think that because WE are a curious race that love a little to much to bring inteferance into the affaire of other ones & because of our superiority complexe.. that all life would(or should) act like us?

Because all life will have to undergo evolution. That's how evolution works, survival of the fittest.

You seem to think we are the most vicious creatures to run the planet. How many Dinosaurs gave a rodents rectum about who they ate into extinction? We have befriended cats and dogs, maybe we are the most benevolent species in the Galaxy!! Ever considered that? Maybe we are the only ones to make friends with other species and not eat them? Maybe Man best friend makes us the kindest being in the Universe - point is NOBODY on this rock can say. But we don't have to hate ourselves in the meantime. How many species like the California Condor would not be here today if not for mans benevolence?

Look at this gathering, it's not to see what species we can wipe out next is it?

So please all stop with this hate about Dr. Tyson. I truly think that he's briging a legitimate question and understand how we could*and should!) be a lot more humble has a race and feel like aliens MUST make contact with us because we still subconsiously think that we are the center of the universe.

Ohh, don't be such a wuss. The real world is hundreds of times more vicious than this forum.

And the replies have been every bit as legitimate as the question, there is not hate mongering going on that is your impression, when filling boots as big as Sagan's, one is bound to have the occasional reprimand, and that;s not a bad thing either. Every single one of us can use a kick in the complacency from time to time.

If Mr DeGrasse Tyson is going to help others learn, I am sure he too would appreciate being pulled up on anything he does not have quite right, he is human after all. None of us are perfect.

[psyche101]

Why not? Why should we close ourself to that possibility? Until we know what's going on in the rest of the comos(or even could never know if we ever all kill ourselves), we have to be open to ALL possibilities.

It's stupid, not a possibility, what are the probables based upon? The negatives are based upon absolute silence, physics and the very nature of the vastness of space.

No we do not have to open to every single cockamamie idea than happens along. That's just clutter, we have brains, it does not hurt to use them.

[psyche101]

I will give you my reason(s) on why E.T. would ignore us. 1. We kill what scares us. 2. We kill what we don't understand. 3. We kill just to kill. 4. If they (E.T.) look at our (mankind's) glorious history, all we do is kill. What would an advanced civilization gain by interacting with us (mankind)? Answer is nothing beneficial, at least not for them.

We do not kill everything on the planet, Good God, what is today emo day or something?

Many indigenous tribes consider stories as currency, you can't even begin to fathom what might be interesting or valuable to an alien civilization.

[Frank Merton]

Some people sure do like flagellating themselves.

[psyche101]

Some people sure do like flagellating themselves.

Don't they!! Or perhaps flagellating the entire human race for their personal woes?

[Mr Supertypo]

OMG I agree with Psyche and others, kids stop watching cartoons and grow up for once. 1 I dont think we are that bad, 2 you dont know if they are that good. 3 most of the animal species are even worse than we are. 4 looking at abduction stories, animal mutilation etc I can already postulate that they arent any better. Please enough with all this Britney Spears/Paris Hilton pop morality.

[Silent Trinity]

Well what the always smooth DeGrasse Tyson has stated is kind of what has bugged me about conventional thinking sometimes. The Scientists who come out and say, "no no this is impossible there is no way this could happen", or "This is technologically impossible for this reason".... by OUR level of technological advancement perhaps, but to make statements like that you are assuming that we are the be all and end all of evolution and we have every possible facet of the space time continuum and science sewn up.

So therefore I think it is entirely possible that if we have been visited at any stage they may well have seen these arrogant little creatures wandering around with their nose in the air saying "yes we are absolutely sure there is no advanced intelligent life anywhere in the universe", had a giggle to themselves and said "you know what?....lets leave this lot for a few thousand years and we will pop back and see if they have become intelligent then".....

Just a thought really, and I am of course not suggesting that is how it happened, I just think that DeGrasse Tyson is actually making a lot of sense with this one.

[psyche101]

Well what the always smooth DeGrasse Tyson has stated is kind of what has bugged me about conventional thinking sometimes. The Scientists who come out and say, "no no this is impossible there is no way this could happen", or "This is technologically impossible for this reason".... by OUR level of technological advancement perhaps, but to make statements like that you are assuming that we are the be all and end all of evolution and we have every possible facet of the space time continuum and science sewn up.

I can't say I am impressed with his statement.

Scientists have the right to do that because while it might not be "the answer" it is most likely to be the best answer we have according to what we know, and that can change with any provision of real proof. Science is fluid, it's the pursuit of knowledge, not a container of it, most people seem to make the same mistake. If any scientist can be proven wrong with empirical evidence, then that's game over easy as that. In science you have to prove your claim, that goes a long way toward accuracy at any level.

So therefore I think it is entirely possible that if we have been visited at any stage they may well have seen these arrogant little creatures wandering around with their nose in the air saying "yes we are absolutely sure there is no advanced intelligent life anywhere in the universe", had a giggle to themselves and said "you know what?....lets leave this lot for a few thousand years and we will pop back and see if they have become intelligent then".....

Highly unlikely, you're assuming there are no arrogant aliens, yet to be so superior as to "leave humans for a couple thousand years" means they must be. And a couple thousand years?? All aliens are not only advanced more than we, but all of them live forever now?

I just can't see it going that way myself.

Just a thought really, and I am of course not suggesting that is how it happened, I just think that DeGrasse Tyson is actually making a lot of sense with this one.

I have to disagree, I expect more from him to be frank, I would expect a statement like this from a UFOlogist, or twisted by media as Hawking was, he is assuming when you move onto new technology you take a dislike to the old and bury it. We have not buried morse code ands we can still use it with lights at night, we don't just forget our past ever happened, and I do not see why anyone would. Knowledge is hard to come by, and even the wrong stuff is preserved so we don't wander that path again. Ti travel space alone you need to listen to RF, Xrays and all sort, if they scanned an RF wave that was talking, any curious species would take a second look, and to be in space, one is likely to be curious about something to bother with the effort. I have always been a big fan of his, but I think this is just a silly statement.

[Frank Merton]

Well I have sure forgotten how to use a slide rule. I regret it too so you are right we don't exactly "hate" the old technology, but more like pine for it.

[IamLegend]

If ET dismissed us as unintelligent then we can only assume that they are unintelligent. Since the dawn of man we've shown ingenuity.

[Silent Trinity]

I can't say I am impressed with his statement.

Scientists have the right to do that because while it might not be "the answer" it is most likely to be the best answer we have according to what we know, and that can change with any provision of real proof. Science is fluid, it's the pursuit of knowledge, not a container of it, most people seem to make the same mistake. If any scientist can be proven wrong with empirical evidence, then that's game over easy as that. In science you have to prove your claim, that goes a long way toward accuracy at any level.

Highly unlikely, you're assuming there are no arrogant aliens, yet to be so superior as to "leave humans for a couple thousand years" means they must be. And a couple thousand years?? All aliens are not only advanced more than we, but all of them live forever now?

I just can't see it going that way myself.

I have to disagree, I expect more from him to be frank, I would expect a statement like this from a UFOlogist, or twisted by media as Hawking was, he is assuming when you move onto new technology you take a dislike to the old and bury it. We have not buried morse code ands we can still use it with lights at night, we don't just forget our past ever happened, and I do not see why anyone would. Knowledge is hard to come by, and even the wrong stuff is preserved so we don't wander that path again. Ti travel space alone you need to listen to RF, Xrays and all sort, if they scanned an RF wave that was talking, any curious species would take a second look, and to be in space, one is likely to be curious about something to bother with the effort. I have always been a big fan of his, but I think this is just a silly statement.

I think you perhaps misunderstood my sentiment, it was not intended to be an endorsement of any Psudeo science or theories currently within the realm of our society or thinking. I am talking about what we will inevitably discover, or develop in the future which by it's very definition is unknown to us. Like a man from the 1700's saying it is impossible for a man to fly ever, period, or our belief that rail travel above 30 miles per hour would be fatal to humans, as I said it wasn't a comment on pseudo science or anything. Just that we have not reached the end of all human knowledge or learning, the passage of time and our advancement must be proof of that

And as for them living forever, come on psyche, even in my short time here I already know you lay into people buddy but I never indicated that I thought they were immortal lol, I meant they could perhaps record their visit for their future generations to examine at a later date lol.

And the last paragraph I can definitely see where you are coming from and I would agree with it mostly speaking. As I have always said I am open minded and was only giving my own rambling thoughts and a basic opinion lol, I am not so entrenched into a particular camp of belief as to fly the flag of certainty with any of my statements, but I thought his words bear merit. Not going to aplogize for that bud, just a simple opinion from a simple guy Peace.

[Hartmut]

Gee, some people sure like to hear themselves talk, even if what they say is utter nonsense!

Tyson should speak only for himself as - being a primitive life form barely capable of comprehension! What rubbish he is talking about. I don't think an insect can produce our

great works of art, music, architecture etc.; let alone land on the moon or send probes out into space!

[Ze Tomes]

Not a condition, but Science is

It's obvious this question is nonsense, If we are associating Science as the evolutionary mark of a progressive intelligent civilization, It's completely rubbish. If "we" (I'm not) as scientists would approach biology in that terms, in terms of selective "significant" intelligence studying we would never study or try to communicate with biological entities that would be lesser intelligent or interactive than us. It's simply not a condition for continuing studying biology to expect from a microbe awareness or human intellectual parallels of communication dynamics, otherwise it wouldn't be worth it?

Science, (if science is indeed a mark of intelligence - of course not some specific practice of it - or at least THE fundamental tool that allowed us to evolve, like a self-generator of progression of a dichotomy human-tool) is not pretentious to assume levels of intelligence worth of studying or not, on the contrary it's bold to assume that curiosity and satisfaction of knowledge in parallel with ethical-philosophy are the main basis for human self maturity, self organization and post survival in the cosmos in a multidimensional approach of past, present and future.

Nihilism is different than Socratic Relativism

What's the logic on thinking that trying to communicate/understand/interact with a fruit fly, or a tree, or a dolphin, a bonobo, a dog, a bacteria does not worth the effort? It's the same logic that says that life and ultra-intelligent life being banal on other places, our in comparison simply becomes nothing. The same applies to Biology in Earth. Nothing is worth it, we become gods, dogma.

To simply quit from trying to communicate/interact/understand with dolphins or whatever species, just because those species aren't prone to be receptive to the top of progressive human forms and ways of communication as computing, interacting with a tablet, understanding English, a joke, a mathematic equation, the theory of relativity, is simply pretentious and dogmatic - two directives that even surpassing our pretentious pseudo ability to define intelligence, are most certain not present in a Intelligent evolved extraterrestrial civilization, at least a civilization able to recognize Earth as a source of life. Taking in account the vastness just of the known universe (anthropological) and not in account that extraterrestrials civilizations are proportional to us as we are to cells, dimensional speaking.

... The ET.s simply thought we were bacteria, or another dot in the pseudo-civilizations string of galactic embryonic abortions... Let's destroy paleontology, paleanthropology, all the databases of the zillions of versions of virus, bacterias, fossils, species that were, just because they aren't worth of studying because they are no match to our intelligent ways of doing... "stuff".

Now We and Them

We definitely could be banal in terms of compared evolutionary forms of life in the vast known universe, but as We, there could be Them, also in the same evolutionary and existential processes as We, some more or less advanced. Or stupidity more advanced as We. If we are mentioning those Them "some" advanced than We... stop.... Let's capitulate:

We only know the existence of our known universe since the Big Bang. We grouped our concept of present knowledge in the package of post-bang and bang created life forms, simply put. There were a string of times since then. A "finite" chain of generations of life, in which we as humans are included. But finite as it is, chronologically speaking, it can be submitted to previsions of probabilities. Of maximizations of exponents of evolution in biological terms, although finite, onto those bang born potential civilizations. I don't think, because we can see it historically that our epistemological evolution is progressing, that if a certain extra civilization would have found us, that same wouldn't kept en eye on us, tracking our evolutionary course, purely on a scientific spirit, I think exactly the opposite, that our Earth would be an extraterrestrial biological jewel.

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It's non-scientific and pretentious and I'm shocked to ear it from a top scientist... or a pivot?

Edited June 5, 2014 by Ze Tomes

[ChewiesArmy]

Nowhere does he state that the aliens wouldn't have studied us. He just brought up the possibility that we may have been visited and they just don't want anything to do with us. For them to make the decision that we are not worth their time means they have to had studied us. And he is right to ask, how can we even truly define intelligence on a Universal scale?

I think that we are definitely not the most advanced creature/civilization in the Universe...and probably not in our galaxy. The way I see it, the age of Earth and the Universe supports it. The Earth is 4.5 billions years old, give or take a few seconds, and the earliest hominins are dated 6 - 7 million years ago. Now just think, in 7 million years, we have adapted to our current state with all of our advancements. The Universe is believed to be about 14 billion years old. There could be civilizations that are 1 billion years older than us! Take humanity now and fast forward another 6 - 7 million years. What advancements would we have then? What could we accomplish in 1 billion years (barring any cataclysmic extinctions)?

[Frank Merton]

I think they just aren't there and have never been here. Time will tell and of course it's a really big place out there, but I can't credit a society out exploring deciding some culture is of no interest.

[Occams Razor]

Put yourself in the position of some visiting ETs... you can fly around the galaxy on a 'willy-nilly' basis, just as we might jump in a car and go the shops. You would see a pretty angry planet bound bunch of cretins. You're not going to want to know us, because there's nothing in it for you.

It may be some of the UFOs are in fact alien spacecraft... they could be alien school busses, the teachers could be saying to their kids as they eagerly look down at us through the windows, 'look at this primitive species, they can't fly without generating lift, they pollute the air they breathe by burning hydrocarbon fuels, the best they can do with what they laughingly call their 'space technology' is land 2 guys at a time on their moon, and they have to use chemical rockets to get there. The planet is divided up into lots of large and small sections they call countries, and they all speak different languages. Sometimes everyone in one of these countries will try to kill everyone in another one of these countries and keep the defeated country for themselves. They fight and kill each other over almost anything, mostly trading tokens, they call it 'money'.

This is how we were millions of years ago kiddies...

[sinewave]

He only said it is his fear. He did not suggest it has happened.

[Mojohand]

Hands down, we are the greatest species in the universe. Last I checked Martians hadn't invented the oral sex phone booth. That's us baby. Unintelligent?!?!? Bah!! Traveling millions of light-years through an infinite universe to finally land on some kick ass planet and ram a shiny object up the first inbred American redneck's **** is the epitome of unintelligent. Ooooo, lets leave a tiny piece of metal in her toe. That way we can record the velocity of her farts. He's clearly an alien

[scowl]

Well I have sure forgotten how to use a slide rule. I regret it too so you are right we don't exactly "hate" the old technology, but more like pine for it.

I tried to use a slide rule a couple of months ago. I got the wrong answer from it. Then I remembered why we don't use junk like that any more.

[kartikg]

If they visited us long long back then they would instead of trusting us with their technology they would just build something that will last long , something with stones.

[Wildblue]

They use their golden pituitary and pineal (DMT) glands and we do not.

Speaking of his peers in power, Woodrow Wilson said “They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”

For those of us constrained to a 3 –D space perspective, what Woodrow is really saying here is that somebody with a vastly higher brain bandwidth is watching over the earthly activities from a higher dimension and from this all pervasive perspective, check-mates us at every turn. What distinguishes us from their superstates of consciousness and our consciousness lobotomy is they are using their pituitary and pineal glands and we are not.

Earthlings must come to grips with the extent of the reality model and kick up our brain bandwidths to get into the cosmic game of life or be its consequences. Operating at our limited consciousness level, will not do the job nor will waiting for some saviour to come and fix the problem if we are to be realistic.

The only solution is to form a functioning relationship with reality and seriously kick up the brain bandwidths with glandular rejuvenation and consciousness boosting hormonal secretions. Only DMT driven bandwidths can provide the individual with the innate resources to hang with or compete with what Woodrow speaks of.

These entities have been using these bandwidth enhancers for millions of years and will continue to rule over us like the victim sheep we are unless we too “Kick it up”.

For a simple duck to water technique to access your golden brain glands go to: http://fukushima50.blogspot.ca/

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