Has ET already dismissed us as unintelligent?

[mfluder]

Since all indications point to no ET race is more advanced than we are then I'll just disagree with you. Man people sure make a lot of assumptions about aliens. If numbers are any indication ET's are most likely 1) on their own planet and not ours and 2) not as intelligent as humans. they are probably just dumb animals like buffalo's or birds.

What "indications" are you referring to? As far as I was aware, there isn't really any credible scientific evidence of the existence of intelligent life on any other planet. What in the world makes you think that another race of beings on some other planet are less intelligent than humans? By galactic standards, our species is very young. We have only been able to fly for about 100 years. It is very possible that any beings that have existed out there have existed for thousands of years longer than we have. We are children compared to any life that has figured out a way to visit our planet, that much is sure.

[seeder]

What "indications" are you referring to? As far as I was aware, there isn't really any credible scientific evidence of the existence of intelligent life on any other planet. What in the world makes you think that another race of beings on some other planet are less intelligent than humans? By galactic standards, our species is very young. We have only been able to fly for about 100 years. It is very possible that any beings that have existed out there have existed for thousands of years longer than we have. We are children compared to any life that has figured out a way to visit our planet, that much is sure.

You do realise that even on earth we will all go extinct one day? Our sun will die..fry the earth...I think thats set for 2 - 4 billion years away

All suns die eventually. The older the planet, the older the sun. Besides that, we, as humans, may die out well before the sun does. Population increase, scarcity of water.. plagues.. imagine a flu epidemic that resists antibiotics? Another ice age? Nuke wars?

And when we look at distant planets.. stars...we dont see then as they are today... we see them hundreds/thousands/millions of years in in the past

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Edited June 5, 2014 by seeder

[Hawken]

Trying to put myself in ET's shoes, I would see a species that makes war with each other and tries to take what someone else has.

Our population keeps growing and destroying our natural resources. But there is a brighter side to this species. They are trying to

make an effort to right the wrong but the question is, can it be corrected before it's too late?

[White Unicorn]

I am not sure who originally came up with this analogy, but it's 150% wrong.

Examples in nature always crossed the oceans, examples in nature in space do what we do - circles around itself. The Ocean can be crossed in a reasonable span of time, the Cosmos simply cannot. It's got a 14 billion year head start on us all. It's really big. There are upper limits to everything. You can't just keep going faster, at some point we reach a limit. E=MC2 gives us the upper limit.

From what we do know of other dimensions, string theory predicts that they will not be able to support any type of life. I can see how a hologram can fulfill the ideas of spiritual entities, but where are the other transmissions? Again, we must assume that every species is far in advance of us, which doesn't make sense to me.

Man is advanced enough to communicate though. I feel many undermine the valuable asset that speech is.

If intelligent aliens from another solar system know how to use other technology such as wormhole or string theories for communications etc and made contact, they would have to be far more advanced to even know we exist. If their civilization survived and had an evolutionary head start on us by 14 billion years as you suggest, we would be insignificant to them. There contact with us in this way doesn't make much sense. Most alien life would not be advanced as us, harsh planetary cycle changes would tend to stunt evolution to higher conscious beings IMO.

In all probability if contact was really made as many are claiming like in OP, I would bet these beings are much closer than people speculate and they are NOT some distant cosmos! If they are species within a close distance, they might just want to remain hidden under that ET fallacy for an advantage.

[scowl]

Trying to put myself in ET's shoes, I would see a species that makes war with each other and tries to take what someone else has.

And I see the ET thinking that's a great idea because his Bible doesn't forbid that behavior.

[psyche101]

I think you perhaps misunderstood my sentiment, it was not intended to be an endorsement of any Psudeo science or theories currently within the realm of our society or thinking. I am talking about what we will inevitably discover, or develop in the future which by it's very definition is unknown to us. Like a man from the 1700's saying it is impossible for a man to fly ever, period, or our belief that rail travel above 30 miles per hour would be fatal to humans, as I said it wasn't a comment on pseudo science or anything. Just that we have not reached the end of all human knowledge or learning, the passage of time and our advancement must be proof of that

I don't think so, I think I understood what you were saying - that science does not have all the answers - I am confirming that. It's not how science works. Many people consider science a container of knowledge - something bound with sharp clearly defined edges, but it is not at all, It's fluid, it moves with discovery. Like the rise of man, we went from a relay style model into a malay style model - not one lineage, many all competing at once toward a common finish line, which be today - the basic idea of evolution and divergence from other primates was correct, but finer details on the large number of competing primates that developed had yet to be understood, as such, the hypothesis has been smoothed out over many decades. Science had the answer, but not all of it, and science is happy to admit that - it's the best answer we have right now, but that does not mean it will not be expanded upon or even entirely changed depending on new evidences that arise. It's not static.

And as for them living forever, come on psyche, even in my short time here I already know you lay into people buddy but I never indicated that I thought they were immortal lol, I meant they could perhaps record their visit for their future generations to examine at a later date lol.

LOL, I am not laying into you, I am offering an alternate view, you have never said anything I find offensive, and never been rude to me, I have no problem with you whatsoever. And I appreciate your clarification.

They would pass down information to be vindictive over thousands of years then? I don't see that as likely either. Science comes first.

And the last paragraph I can definitely see where you are coming from and I would agree with it mostly speaking. As I have always said I am open minded and was only giving my own rambling thoughts and a basic opinion lol, I am not so entrenched into a particular camp of belief as to fly the flag of certainty with any of my statements, but I thought his words bear merit. Not going to aplogize for that bud, just a simple opinion from a simple guy Peace.

I would not want you to apologise, you have done nothing wrong, not sure why you think it might even be warranted? I was only expressing my views on Mr DeGrasse Tyson's statement, and that I was somewhat disappointed in it, it's like Giorgio Tsoukalos lured him into the idea of easy money with wild assumptions. To say alien"s" - note the plural -have visited us and think we are too dumb is just a ridiculous thing to say and entirely unfounded. As I said, I look up to Mr DeGrasse Tyson, I cannot understand this nonsense statement from him.

[psyche101]

Nowhere does he state that the aliens wouldn't have studied us. He just brought up the possibility that we may have been visited and they just don't want anything to do with us. For them to make the decision that we are not worth their time means they have to had studied us. And he is right to ask, how can we even truly define intelligence on a Universal scale?

How do we define it - it's our definition, we can define it as we will, for him to say "how do we have the audacity to define intelligence" is plainly ridiculous, we have entered space, it might be fledgling steps, we have the rights to our own thoughts and the right to make educated guesses. We can consider language the sign of intelligence if we wish - it is our scale, if the Universe is beyond that then they have their own scale we are measured against, and should such information even become available to us, science due to its very nature as Mr DeGrasse Tyson must know - will shift its position to accommodate the new information.

It's not arrogant or wrong to take a guess, it;s how things progress. It sounds very Ancient Aliens to me to be honest.

I think that we are definitely not the most advanced creature/civilization in the Universe...and probably not in our galaxy. The way I see it, the age of Earth and the Universe supports it. The Earth is 4.5 billions years old, give or take a few seconds, and the earliest hominins are dated 6 - 7 million years ago. Now just think, in 7 million years, we have adapted to our current state with all of our advancements. The Universe is believed to be about 14 billion years old. There could be civilizations that are 1 billion years older than us! Take humanity now and fast forward another 6 - 7 million years. What advancements would we have then? What could we accomplish in 1 billion years (barring any cataclysmic extinctions)?

Fine, if you feel that is possible, what supports that? What part of space hosts a planet that is that much older than the earth's system, and where is it? Does something like this actually exist or do we assume this is the case because the Universe is so darn big? The Universe had to evolve too, but you might be right, there might be someone a fair bit older than us, but then you leap to the conclusion that they can get here as well, just because they have been here longer. Maybe other planets are full of Dinosaurs, maybe we were the only ones who got hit at "the right time" but what we do know, and what the Kepler space telescope tells us is that planets capable of supporting life are very rare. Maybe (and it seems rather likely at this point) Einstein was right, and its just too big to cross. It's not like an Ocean, this is space, it's more like billions of Oceans all strung together, if man had to cross them on this planet, we would still be confined to Africa.

At the end of the day, it's just a romantic idea, isn't it?

[White Unicorn]

They use their golden pituitary and pineal (DMT) glands and we do not.

Speaking of his peers in power, Woodrow Wilson said They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.

For those of us constrained to a 3 D space perspective, what Woodrow is really saying here is that somebody with a vastly higher brain bandwidth is watching over the earthly activities from a higher dimension and from this all pervasive perspective, check-mates us at every turn. What distinguishes us from their superstates of consciousness and our consciousness lobotomy is they are using their pituitary and pineal glands and we are not.

Earthlings must come to grips with the extent of the reality model and kick up our brain bandwidths to get into the cosmic game of life or be its consequences. Operating at our limited consciousness level, will not do the job nor will waiting for some saviour to come and fix the problem if we are to be realistic.

The only solution is to form a functioning relationship with reality and seriously kick up the brain bandwidths with glandular rejuvenation and consciousness boosting hormonal secretions. Only DMT driven bandwidths can provide the individual with the innate resources to hang with or compete with what Woodrow speaks of.

These entities have been using these bandwidth enhancers for millions of years and will continue to rule over us like the victim sheep we are unless we too Kick it up.

For a simple duck to water technique to access your golden brain glands go to: http://fukushima50.blogspot.ca/

Sovereignty

Welcome to UM, I like your come out of "Flatland" consciousness attitude.

[psyche101]

He only said it is his fear. He did not suggest it has happened.

I do not see what this fear is based upon though, he states:

What if they look at the iPad and merely giggle at what, to them, is a primitive form of abacus-like technology? What if they look at us staring into our TV screens at singing competitions and think we must be mentally deficient?

But perhaps they are reaching out to us, in as simple a way as they can.

"They could be saying 'Hey, we're over here! Look here! Look here!' It could be some technological thing that to them is just obvious," DeGrasse Tyson said. And, to us, falls on entirely unintelligent ears.

Singing described as mentally deficient? Even I know that's just ridiculous. That's how all communications start - birds chirping, even fish grunting. Chimps have the FOXP2 gene as well, it's just not developed as ours is. He seems to be saying that an advanced civilization would not recognise that we all had to start someplace and compensate for that. I do not think an advanced civilisation would discard historical practices, and just to cross space, one needs to be more than aware of RF, which we emit by the bucketload. It just makes no sense, the fears are unfounded, it;s just a nonsense statement.

If we saw a chimp with an Abacus, we would not turn away and laugh at it would we - we would be ecstatic. If one is crossing space, one MUST be curious to expend such resources to begin with, as such, I honestly think this would excite an advanced species, not make them laugh, that seems very arrogant on Mr DeGrasse Tyson's behalf to suggest. And, I find it makes no sense.

I understand exploring possibilities, and pondering the unknown, but this seem a tabloid level statement to make, I expect so much more form such an accomplished individual. I think it's up to us, the people he reaches out to, to tell him when he meanders of track, and offer a kick in the complacency.

This is supposed to be science dammit!!!

[XenoFish]

Maybe the aliens have been taking samples of us (abductions). Testing us out. Seeing if we actually have the potential to either become a galactic threat or evolve into higher functioning beings past our primitive stage. I'd send scouts to see what humanity is really like, then call in Gort if there was little to no hope. I've sometimes wondered if the actually aliens we've encountered are virus's. Microbes from space. Heck a alien shuttle might have crashed into earth oceans before life started. That might be how it did start. Who knows. If I was an alien I'd just keep watch and see what happens to humanity. Maybe hijack a few and take them to a different terraformed world.

[psyche101]

Trying to put myself in ET's shoes, I would see a species that makes war with each other and tries to take what someone else has.

That's evolution - attaining top predator - war is taking that up several notches is all, I doubt the concepts of violence and war are foreign to any sentient species.

Our population keeps growing and destroying our natural resources. But there is a brighter side to this species. They are trying to

make an effort to right the wrong but the question is, can it be corrected before it's too late?

It might more be us coming out of another dark age too. Everything can be fixed, if we were wiped out tomorrow. Eventually the earth would wipe all traces of us, the last traces of man would be found on the moon.

[White Unicorn]

I used to respect the Discovery Network but these days nearly all of their programming is crap. I remember when the History Channel presented actual history. These days history has to be in the context of toothless hillbillies and pawn shop owners to get any attention. Very sad state of affairs.

I think AA hypothesis was a good thing to be open minded and consider, but those idiots putting out crap on the TV show turn anything into a joke! What's really scary is if their are aliens out there along our path of SETI radio technology this is how they see us!

[LimeGelatin]

All evidence suggests that Humans are nowhere near a peaceful and accepting enough of a species to accept that a race who has the capacity to travel light years at warp speed could possibly be more intelligent than they are. An earthling can't even force itself to have a nonjudgmental exchange of information with a fellow earthling unless it comes for the same social and ethnic background as itself: how could a peaceful species of highly intelligent beings ever feel they could safely make their presence known here at this time. Eventually every star must supernova, and at the rate people are evolving they just may never get to know their intergalactic neighbors...

[sinewave]

I think AA hypothesis was a good thing to be open minded and consider, but those idiots putting out crap on the TV show turn anything into a joke! What's really scary is if their are aliens out there along our path of SETI radio technology this is how they see us!

I have no problem with being open to possibilities. I do have a problem with wild speculation being sold by those who clearly know nothing of the history they are attempting to interpret. There is no basis in fact for anything presented on AA.

Edited June 6, 2014 by sinewave

[psyche101]

If intelligent aliens from another solar system know how to use other technology such as wormhole or string theories for communications etc and made contact, they would have to be far more advanced to even know we exist.

Maybe that is the case, we are aware of the theory, it's just as possible that we will discover this exotic form of communication next week, thing is, there is no reason to consider that option that I am aware of, if there is, I would love to know.

If their civilization survived and had an evolutionary head start on us by 14 billion years as you suggest, we would be insignificant to them.

Sorry, I seem to have somehow worded myself badly, I would never suggest a civilisation is 14 billion years old - that's clearly impossible. I was saying that the Cosmos is 14 billion years old, and we have no examples of nature crossing it like we do with oceans on earth. Examples of nature in space do what we do in space - little circles.

That why the claim about heavier than air flight being impossible was clearly nonsense, and why science forged forward, even when some of it's most respected members said the task was foolish. Nature was doing it all around them all the time. Some people obviously noted this.

There contact with us in this way doesn't make much sense. Most alien life would not be advanced as us, harsh planetary cycle changes would tend to stunt evolution to higher conscious beings IMO.

I do not agree, if such things as another level of "being" like consciousness can exist, then I expect it will be after the next generation of stars - this Universe is clearly designed to make organic matter. It's what supernovas do, and why the stars exist. Will there be another population of stars? What will supernovas rom supernovas bring? Right now in the here and now, I don't see any reason to make up additional beings past understandings of what we already have and are seeking. That's just entering the realm of fiction.

In all probability if contact was really made as many are claiming like in OP, I would bet these beings are much closer than people speculate and they are NOT some distant cosmos! If they are species within a close distance, they might just want to remain hidden under that ET fallacy for an advantage.

We have seen a fair bit of the local neighbourhood, where would you propose such a species can hide? I agree, a species has to be in the general vicinity, there is no reason to think things like travel to other Galaxies is happening, or even can happen. Space is just too big. People see the Hubble UDF and think that sooo many galaxies with sooo many planet means life must exist, and that is correct, they do not seem to be able to fathom how far away those other galaxies are, just to reach them would take longer than man has existed for. And that's at light speed. Sci Fi gives them false hope in wormhole and faster than light concepts. People think it's just a matter of time before we have such things, and invoke wildly inaccurate analogies like Ocean crossing, when in reality, the items are chalk and cheese and it's much more likely that we will never ever have such things.

[psyche101]

I think AA hypothesis was a good thing to be open minded and consider, but those idiots putting out crap on the TV show turn anything into a joke! What's really scary is if their are aliens out there along our path of SETI radio technology this is how they see us!

It was not though, it was born from deception in order to make a buck by Daniken and Stitchin, and others have just regurgitated their success stories to continue to fleece the gullible. Nothing about the Ancient Aliens claims are supported. It;s just a Sci Fi fairy tale that got out of hand.

[psyche101]

Maybe the aliens have been taking samples of us (abductions). Testing us out. Seeing if we actually have the potential to either become a galactic threat or evolve into higher functioning beings past our primitive stage. I'd send scouts to see what humanity is really like, then call in Gort if there was little to no hope. I've sometimes wondered if the actually aliens we've encountered are virus's. Microbes from space. Heck a alien shuttle might have crashed into earth oceans before life started. That might be how it did start. Who knows. If I was an alien I'd just keep watch and see what happens to humanity. Maybe hijack a few and take them to a different terraformed world.

Any species that needs to abduct another species for 60 odd years and still be doing the same experiments does not strike me as intelligent at all. We have made Industrial leaps and bounds in that time frame.

[psyche101]

All evidence suggests that Humans are nowhere near a peaceful and accepting enough of a species to accept that a race who has the capacity to travel light years at warp speed could possibly be more intelligent than they are.

Absolute nonsense - warp speed means peaceful does it?? Where did you come up with that little gem?

An earthling can't even force itself to have a nonjudgmental exchange of information with a fellow earthling unless it comes for the same social and ethnic background as itself:

You are speaking to an Aussie here, my country is multicultural, always has been, you need to visit it seems. We have a entire country doing what you say is impossible.

how could a peaceful species of highly intelligent beings ever feel they could safely make their presence known here at this time.

By saying hello to the right person, and not some religious fundie or UFOLogist.

Really, an intelligent species would be able to work that much out I would think.

Eventually every star must supernova, and at the rate people are evolving they just may never get to know their intergalactic neighbors...

More people evolving means less chance to expand and more stars will blow up? What?? Could you clarify that please?

[XenoFish]

Any species that needs to abduct another species for 60 odd years and still be doing the same experiments does not strike me as intelligent at all. We have made Industrial leaps and bounds in that time frame.

Maybe that's not what their looking for. Yes we have made huge leaps in technology. We also found easier and better ways to kill. Ugg no longer has a rock or club to kill with. Ugg's got a nuke and an assault rifle. Perhaps E.T. has been tweaking the human race for a very long time? Something subtle. Who honestly know? We don't even know if aliens actually exist it's pure speculation at this point. Maybe the aliens actually came and are microbial? Or invisible? Perhaps all the ghost that people see are actually alien life forms. That don't exist in the same manner we do. I don't even know nor does anyone really. Wouldn't it be strange that we one day find out that possessions are just aliens trying to contact us through a human medium,

[White Unicorn]

Maybe that is the case, we are aware of the theory, it's just as possible that we will discover this exotic form of communication next week, thing is, there is no reason to consider that option that I am aware of, if there is, I would love to know.

Sorry, I seem to have somehow worded myself badly, I would never suggest a civilisation is 14 billion years old - that's clearly impossible. I was saying that the Cosmos is 14 billion years old, and we have no examples of nature crossing it like we do with oceans on earth. Examples of nature in space do what we do in space - little circles.

That why the claim about heavier than air flight being impossible was clearly nonsense, and why science forged forward, even when some of it's most respected members said the task was foolish. Nature was doing it all around them all the time. Some people obviously noted this.

I do not agree, if such things as another level of "being" like consciousness can exist, then I expect it will be after the next generation of stars - this Universe is clearly designed to make organic matter. It's what supernovas do, and why the stars exist. Will there be another population of stars? What will supernovas rom supernovas bring? Right now in the here and now, I don't see any reason to make up additional beings past understandings of what we already have and are seeking. That's just entering the realm of fiction.

We have seen a fair bit of the local neighbourhood, where would you propose such a species can hide? I agree, a species has to be in the general vicinity, there is no reason to think things like travel to other Galaxies is happening, or even can happen. Space is just too big. People see the Hubble UDF and think that sooo many galaxies with sooo many planet means life must exist, and that is correct, they do not seem to be able to fathom how far away those other galaxies are, just to reach them would take longer than man has existed for. And that's at light speed. Sci Fi gives them false hope in wormhole and faster than light concepts. People think it's just a matter of time before we have such things, and invoke wildly inaccurate analogies like Ocean crossing, when in reality, the items are chalk and cheese and it's much more likely that we will never ever have such things.

I said "There contact with us in this way doesn't make much sense. Most alien life would not be advanced as us, harsh planetary cycle changes would tend to stunt evolution to higher conscious beings IMO."

I do not agree, if such things as another level of "being" like consciousness can exist, then I expect it will be after the next generation of stars - this Universe is clearly designed to make organic matter. It's what supernovas do, and why the stars exist. Will there be another population of stars? What will supernovas rom supernovas bring? Right now in the here and now, I don't see any reason to make up additional beings past understandings of what we already have and are seeking. That's just entering the realm of fiction.

You misunderstood what I was meant by higher conscious beings= Man, material and intellectual and general consciousness. Evolution in man can produce higher levels than the normal intellectual. Example people with calculator like mind ability, they are just connnecting to a different type or level of consciousness within themselves that most other people don't have.Evolution develops differently in different life forms, man included. We developed intelligence of math, analysis, emotion and speech. Ants and bees developed a different type of instinct to a form of hive intelligence and communication. Evolution continues in man as well, it's a natural process not science fiction. It would be silly to assume man is at the peak of conscious intelligence unless he becomes extinct.

We must not let emotions connected to our belief or disbelief limit the realm possibilities of future scientific understanding of both ourselves and the cosmos.

Edited June 6, 2014 by White Unicorn

[+OverSword]

What "indications" are you referring to? As far as I was aware, there isn't really any credible scientific evidence of the existence of intelligent life on any other planet. What in the world makes you think that another race of beings on some other planet are less intelligent than humans? By galactic standards, our species is very young. We have only been able to fly for about 100 years. It is very possible that any beings that have existed out there have existed for thousands of years longer than we have. We are children compared to any life that has figured out a way to visit our planet, that much is sure.

To what indications am I referring? The only one that matters my friend, there is absolutely no proof that intelligent alien races exist period. Therefore all indications are there are no civilization building cultures more advanced than ours. You can speculate all you want about there being races out their that are as far beyond us as we are a mouse, but that isn't provable it's just a fun fantasy. One day that may change and when we have actual proof I'll change my mind, until then humans rule and aliens drool.

[psyche101]

Maybe that's not what their looking for.

What are you referring to?

Yes we have made huge leaps in technology. We also found easier and better ways to kill. Ugg no longer has a rock or club to kill with. Ugg's got a nuke and an assault rifle. Perhaps E.T. has been tweaking the human race for a very long time? Something subtle.

No, we did it all ourselves, we have split the atom, and that destructive force can also take us to other star systems right now. There is a long history associated with every thing on earth. There is no place for ET to take credit from for our development.

Who honestly know?

Historical record.

We don't even know if aliens actually exist it's pure speculation at this point.

Agreed.

Maybe the aliens actually came and are microbial?

Then how would they affect us - are you saying they are us, or somehow microbes affected out development? Again, historical record does not support this idea.

Or invisible? Perhaps all the ghost that people see are actually alien life forms. That don't exist in the same manner we do.

Aliens look like deceased and recognisable humans? I doubt that.

I don't even know nor does anyone really.

We do know some things, enough to make educated guesses.

Wouldn't it be strange that we one day find out that possessions are just aliens trying to contact us through a human medium,

We make them so they would not be alien.

[psyche101]

You misunderstood what I was meant by higher conscious beings= Man, material and intellectual and general consciousness.

If I could ask you to clarify - do you mean smarter people, or some sort of light being? Higher consciousness beings generally refers to a supernatural type entity I would have thought.

Evolution in man can produce higher levels than the normal intellectual. Example people with calculator like mind ability, they are just connnecting to a different type or level of consciousness within themselves that most other people don't have.

Well, yes that is evolution, a mutation, if the mutation is superior, it will be retained, I do not think it is a different level of consciousness, a closer analogy would be different wiring wouldn't it? Same thing, different internal configuration?

Evolution develops differently in different life forms, man included.

To suit the niche occupied by said species though.

We developed intelligence of math, analysis, emotion and speech. Ants and bees developed a different type of instinct to a form of hive intelligence and communication.

Ants have no need to evolve further, they do what they do extremely well, we moved on because the climate changed, and grass grew. We stopped having to, well being able to live in trees as grasslands took over the place of jungles. We stood up to see over the long grass and walked freeing out hands up, from there it has been on the up and up ever since.

Evolution continues in man as well, it's a natural process not science fiction. It would be silly to assume man is at the peak of conscious intelligence unless he becomes extinct.

Again, before I say more, I would like you to clarify exactly what you are referring to with the term "consciousness"

As far as I know, evolution never peaks. The Giraffe is perfectly suited to its environment right now, but environmental changes which will eventually initiate changes in the Giraffes design.

We must not let emotions connected to our belief or disbelief limit the realm possibilities of future scientific understanding of both ourselves and the cosmos.

Nor ignorance, I agree. A humble nature is a prerequisite for learning more.

Edited June 6, 2014 by psyche101

[kartikg]

So they crossed huge spans of interstellar space just to pile rocks? I know I'm going to regret asking but which rocks in particular do you have in mind?

[Arkitecht]

No doubt they figured were too stupid to be of any worth to them.I blame the Kardashians and Honey boo boo.And Justin Bieber.Lady gaga.Obamacare.SNL.V.Stiviano.Modern family. U.S. policy for American's.Alex Jones.NASA.The U.N.Monsanto. The pope.etc..

Edited June 6, 2014 by Arkitecht