Merkel still backs Juncker...

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I'm certain the people of the United Kingdom will leave, We dodged the bullet when we decided not to join the Euro. and we have seen the problems that has caused in the Euro zone, causing misery for millions and if recent European results dont alert you to the path europe is going down, then more fool you, you simply wilfully ignore it and carry on as normal. Believe me the EU is not out of the wood yet.

If the Scots leave the UK first your chances are pretty good.... else it could go either way.

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in related news:

'Die is cast' for Jean-Claude Juncker to take the EU's top job as defeat looms for David Cameron

British diplomats have warned that a "battle royal is coming" that could hasten a British referendum on Europe if the former prime minister of Luxembourg is installed in the European Union's top job.

After talks between Herman Van Rompuy, the German Chancellor and Britain last week, Angela Merkel has decided "to proceed as soon as possible with the appointment" of Jean-Claude Juncker, inflicting a humiliating defeat on David Cameron at a meeting of EU leaders on June 27.

"As matters stand now, Van Rompuy sees no alternative to the appointment of Juncker," said a confidential report, seen by The Telegraph of talks that took place last Wednesday. "Short of a complete U-turn by the Chancellor, the die is cast in Berlin."

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Given the promises to the voters, also given by Ms. Merkel, I doubt there will be a U-turn.

[stevewinn]

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Given the promises to the voters, also given by Ms. Merkel, I doubt there will be a U-turn.

we've known all along juncker is the chosen one, chosen by Germany. Germany runs the show with France playing second fiddle. the rest are just dragged along behind.

i'm pleased with Juncker he'll only help in our cause to leave. i really do hope this pushes the EU agenda further and forces the issue here at home - and we get a referendum not in 2017 but next year 2015 - held on the same day as the general election. a simple YES / NO.

I wonder what Cameron will say now. the man has tied himself in knots. chances are the tory party wont be re-elected, and so no referendum anyway.

[itsnotoutthere]

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The people of the UK will enter a Federal Europe when they feel the pain of not been a member. Self interest will ultimately drive them to become full and willing members. As I keep reminding you - you are not that typical of most British people. However their has been a concerted media campaign within the UK to demonize the EU and it has produced short term results as people try to find a scapegoat to blame for the economic mess the British Government has placed them in. Outside of the EU there would be no more scapegoats and the buck would stop with the robber bankers and the stock market spivs who have run the country down and divided it as a nation. Personally I don't want to see the nation fall to that particular set of criminals - of which Mr Farage is a classic example.

Br Cornelius

'The people of the UK will enter a Federal Europe when they feel the pain of not been a member'

The people of the UK will enter a federal europe when our corrupt westminster leaders sign us up without a vote & against the will & wishes of the majority of the british public.

'As I keep reminding you - you are not that typical of most British people'

Patently, you were on holiday in the in the Amazon rain forest during the euro elections, & you my friend are now a minority.

'However their has been a concerted media campaign within the UK to demonize the EU'

However their has been a concerted media campaign within the UK to demonize UKIP and it failed spectacularly.

'people try to find a scapegoat to blame for the economic mess the British Government has placed them in'

'people try to find a scapegoat to blame for the economic mess the last Labour Government has placed them in' there, fixed that for you.

'Personally I don't want to see the nation fall to that particular set of criminals - of which Mr Farage is a classic example.'

Personally I don't ever again want to see the nation fall for the left wing sort of criminals that deliberately lied to the british public committing them to two foreign wars, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent foreign civilians, & people like you have the cheek to call Farage a rascist. A bigger bunch of racist criminals & hypocrites than the liberal left would be hard to find, and the aftermath is still going on in Iraq & soon will be happening in Afganistan too, all thanks to Labours new savior.

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[Space Commander Travis]

wasn't old Dave going to pull out of the EU if this went ahead? I hope they'll remember to hold him to that.

[Guest]

Isnotoutthere, you must be confusing me with a labour supporter. How quaint.

Br Cornelius

[itsnotoutthere]

Isnotoutthere, you must be confusing me with a labour supporter. How quaint.

Br Cornelius

My bad, didn't realize you were a conservative.

[Guest]

My bad, didn't realize you were a conservative.

Even quainter.

Br Cornelius

[Guest]

Man of the people or just another brown shirt spiv in disguise.

Br Cornelius

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[keithisco]

Juncker is a committed federalist. If elected, HE will set the agenda in committees and on the White papers introduced into the EU Parliament. He is not a friend to renegotiation for the UK, and will procrastinate at every opportunity to prevent any Sovereign Nation from expressing it's national identity over an identity that does not fit into the Germano / Franco mould.

Juncker received NO votes, the so - called "grouping" that wants him as the new Leader did not even manage a simple majority in the Parliament.

NO, this is simply certain nations in Europe wanting to instil their will on the UK, driven by envy... If this is allowed then finally the UK will be cowed to foreign influence, and all of the battles fought in the last 1000 years would have been for naught!! All of the lives lost to preserve a way of life will have been subjugated (without a vote) to Politicians not of this soil!

It will not be long before the French, Dutch, Swedish, decide that enough is enough. That all have proud heritages, and are all capable of being strong players on the world stage.

Perhaps it is time for new alliances to be forged??

[itsnotoutthere]

The Lib Lab Con approach to the immigration debate :-

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It will not be long before the French, Dutch, Swedish, decide that enough is enough. That all have proud heritages, and are all capable of being strong players on the world stage.

Perhaps it is time for new alliances to be forged??

Hey we have a proud heritage too. We raped and pillaged Britain for a couple of hundred years.

[Guest]

The Lib Lab Con approach to the immigration debate :-

i am actually for controls on immigration. Immigration was supported by all conservative and labour adminsitrations for their own political reasons over the last 50 years. The Tories did it to suppress wages and keep a cheap labour pool available, the Labour Party to bolster their voting base.

The consequence for the average working man has been the same - a disaster. But Farage - he is a racist

Br Cornelius

[keithisco]

Hey we have a proud heritage too. We raped and pillaged Britain for a couple of hundred years.

Sorry, forgot the Danes...

[keithisco]

i am actually for controls on immigration. Immigration was supported by all conservative and labour adminsitrations for their own political reasons over the last 50 years. The Tories did it to suppress wages and keep a cheap labour pool available, the Labour Party to bolster their voting base.

The consequence for the average working man has been the same - a disaster. But Farage - he is a racist

Br Cornelius

I hope you can back up that claim, because UKIP has members of all nations, and prospective candidates from most cultures... sounds like some serious Tabloid invective to me.

[itsnotoutthere]

i am actually for controls on immigration. Immigration was supported by all conservative and labour adminsitrations for their own political reasons over the last 50 years. The Tories did it to suppress wages and keep a cheap labour pool available, the Labour Party to bolster their voting base.

The consequence for the average working man has been the same - a disaster. But Farage - he is a racist

Br Cornelius

Yes, Nigel the racist & his german wife.

[Guest]

I hope you can back up that claim, because UKIP has members of all nations, and prospective candidates from most cultures... sounds like some serious Tabloid invective to me.

He has made racist statements and he has a sizable faction of racists within his candidate list, a number have been sanctioned or thrown out for "going to far", ie speaking their mind.

Br Cornelius

[Guest]

Yes, Nigel the racist & his german wife.

Most of the British Fascists were rather partial to Germany in the time of the second world war - its certainly not without president for Fascists to like the German character.

Br Cornelius

[itsnotoutthere]

Most of the British Fascists were rather partial to Germany in the time of the second world war - its certainly not without president for Fascists to like the German character.

Br Cornelius

Oh I see, because his wife is german, that indicates his fascist credentials....hmm yes...that sounds a bit racist to me. Are you a racist?

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[Guest]

I think it was more than informative that when the Guardian interviewed Nigel Farage he point blank refused to discuss the parties policy agenda. he basically used his cheeky chappy having a pint persona to project his man of the people image. The reason he wouldn't talk about his policies is because if the people of England really knew how extreme they were then their vote would crash. Best not to let the cat out of the bag and discuss what they really stand for. If you don't believe me go read their party manifesto - its quite shocking.

The European election was a rather sad protest vote against politics as usual, but it will not be repeated at the general election - because UKIP will have to discuss their policy agenda and when they do they will be shredded. The Byelection result that followed the European election just shows that the British people do not really want extremist such as Farage running the country.

Br Cornelius

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[itsnotoutthere]

I think it was more than informative that when the Guardian interviewed Nigel Farage he point blank refused to discuss the parties policy agenda. he basically used his cheeky chappy having a pint persona to project his man of the people image. The reason he wouldn't talk about his policies is because if the people of England really knew how extreme they were then their vote would crash. Best not to let the cat out of the bag and discuss what they really stand for. If you don't believe me go read their party manifesto - its quite shocking.

Br Cornelius

Ah the Guardian. The same Guardian 'news' paper that led the anti-UKIP propaganda campaign every day for the two weeks leading up to the EU elections. Say no more.

[Guest]

Ah the Guardian. The same Guardian 'news' paper that led the anti-UKIP propaganda campaign every day for the two weeks leading up to the EU elections. Say no more.

Why wouldn't they discuss their policies ? He accepted an offer of an interview but wouldn't discuss anything, why ?

I think you will find that the same applies to all media outlets throughout the election. Hardy honest now is it.

Did you vote for them ? Do you know what their policy platform is - other than withdrawl from Europe.

Br Cornelius

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[Space Commander Travis]

Yes, Nigel the racist & his german wife.

I think people are confusing racism with nationalism. If one is married to a German I hardly think is automatic proof that one isn't racist; the germans themselves have something of a history of racism, I think it's probably fair to say.

[Space Commander Travis]

Ah the Guardian. The same Guardian 'news' paper that led the anti-UKIP propaganda campaign every day for the two weeks leading up to the EU elections. Say no more.

What are Ukip's policies, other than blaming immigrants for everything?

[itsnotoutthere]

What are Ukip's policies, other than blaming immigrants for everything?

• Maintain business links to Europe through Swiss-style free-trade agreements
  
• Raise tax-free threshold on income to £11,500, followed by a flat rate of 31% to replace current income tax and employees' National Insurance (NI)
  
• Phase out NI for employers over five years, recouping revenue through PAYE tax, corporation tax, sales tax revenue, or lower spending on welfare
  
• Replace VAT with a Local Sales Tax, a proportion going directly to councils. Normally pay 50% of uniform business rate to local authorities. Abolish inheritance tax at "earliest opportunity"
  
• Reduce public sector to 1997 size, diverting two million jobs to manufacturing and industry
  
• Bank of England to regulate banks, which must leave deposits at central bank when lending beyond approved limits
  

• Leave EU. Award only temporary work visas, using points-based system
  
• Immediate five-year freeze on immigration for permanent settlement, future limit on gross immigration of 50,000
  
• EU citizens who arrived in UK after January 2004 treated as non-EU immigrants. Non-UK citizens to have entry and exit recorded. Triple UK Border Agency staff to 30,000
  
• Illegal immigrants automatically deported. Those given leave to stay must sign legal "undertaking of residence" which, if breached, would allow deportation
  
• Hold asylum seekers in secure centres while applications processed. Repeal Human Rights Act and end government promotion of multiculturalism
  
• Double number of prison places and end early release, ensure life sentences are served totally in prison and set up "boot camps" for young offenders
  
• Abolish Crown Prosecution Service and put police in charge of taking offenders to court
  

• Offer all parents school vouchers, useable for state, private or faith schools
  
• Schools and colleges franchised to charities, parental co-operatives and businesses, governed by County Election Boards.
  
• Encourage new grammar and specialist schools. Introduce "Comprehensive Test" to assess merit across academic and non-academic abilities. More powers for governors and favour home education.
  
• More on-the-job teacher training and insistence on higher qualifications for aspiring teachers
  
• Scrap 50% target for young people going to university. Allow universities to choose on academic merit alone and change some back to skills and vocational colleges
  
• Replace student loans and tuition fees with grants.
  

• NHS to remain free at point of delivery. No cuts in frontline services but waste and bureaucracy reduced, with matron in charge of hospital wards and nurses trained on-the-job, rather than at universities
  
• Revamp NHS management structure, introducing elected County Health Boards made up primarily of healthcare professionals
  
• Key NHS services put out to tender, with charities and businesses taking franchises on key services with fixed budgets
  
• Introduce Health Credit Vouchers, allowing people to opt-out of the NHS if they want private insurance
  
• Restore free eye tests and dental check-ups
  

• Roll current state pension, Pensions Credit and Winter Fuel Allowance into a flat-rate, non-contributory Citizen's Pension worth at least £130 a week for all people aged 65 and over
  
• Freeze public sector pensions, bringing them "back into line with typical private sector pension provision".
  
• Roll benefits into a single, flat-rate Basic Cash Benefit, set at the same weekly rate as Jobseeker's Allowance or Income Support, which could be claimed by part-time and temporary workers until they earn £11,500
  
• Benefits are only available to UK citizens or those who have lived here for at least 5 years
  

• Hold referendum where 5% of local or national electorate demand one
  
• Retain national assemblies but replace representatives with Westminster MPs from those areas; MPs to spend one week a month on devolved business and rest of time at Westminster; English MPs meet in Westminster for English-only days
  
• Public right to recall MPs in exceptional circumstances, such as abuse of expenses
  
• Introduce "Alternative Vote Plus", with 450 MPs elected after earning at least 50% of constituency preferences, with 200 MPs elected by PR system
  

• Increase nuclear power to up to 50% of energy needs. Support efficient UK coal extraction for use in cleaner coal power stations
  
• Repeal Climate Change Act and allow wind farms to be constructed only off-shore, abolishing EU carbon cap schemes, emissions trading, landfill taxes and renewable subsidies
  
• Support use of electric cars, ensure "comprehensive electrification" of rail lines and introduce three high-speed lines linking London to the Midlands, northern England and Birmingham
  
• Invest in roads, new bypasses and widening major roads
  
• Introduce a "Britdisc", payable by foreign lorries using British roads,
  
• Incentivise use of 800,000 empty homes
  
• Prevent foreign interests "gaining control of strategic British companies"
  
• Safeguard British weights and measures and provide "proper support" to the Royal Mail and Post Office